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Offline my78k

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Katana?
« on: January 24, 2007, 07:31:57 PM »
OK so I have decided to get a daily rider/commuter...will keep the K8 to wrench on etc. but I want something I can ride that doesn't need so much "attention"...

What I am really considering is a 600 Katana probably between 2000 and 2002 They can be had for around $4000 cdn with reasonable mileage (15-20 thousand kilometres)

Thoughts?

My main drivers at this point are insurance rates, longer distance comfort (but not ready for a cruiser yet), reliability and fun to play around in the corners but due to the fact that I only have an M2 I can't afford the insurance for a full on sport bike...

Fire away guys...special consideration will be given to the guys (or gals) who have actually owned one rather than second hand oppinions (although they are welcome too)

Thanks,
Dennis


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Re: Katana?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 07:43:27 PM »
I had a Bandit 600, which is essentially identical mechanically. Easy to work on and fun to ride. Screw and locknut valve adjustments. Fairly comfortable, but the motor is a bit buzzy. Typical Suzuki transmission, very smooth.

Not nearly as much fun as the SV650 but a bit more comfortable. (Although not a lot.) 

Mine had about 25,000 miles on it when it was stolen a second time. Never saw it again, although bits and pieces were recovered by the insurance company.

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Re: Katana?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 08:15:47 PM »
I have looked at the SV650 as well but was kinda worried that since it wasn't fully faired it may be a little less highway rideable and alot of my riding will be on main highways headed out to the cottage on weekends...think since it's only the lower fairing missing that it would make much difference?

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Re: Katana?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 08:19:14 PM »
I didn't quite understand.  Is your 750Four not rideable?  Or too pristine to ride? (that's not in jest).

I rode my neglected K8 600 miles/week commuting until the snow hit.  I loved it.  It was ideal, I had fun, and folks always liked to come look at it, even though it 's not very pretty.  I'm looking forward to commuting on it again come Spring.
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Re: Katana?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 08:27:28 PM »
Definitely not rideable yet....was really more of a learning experience as it was a TOTAL basketcase when I got it (for free) from a buddy who let it sit outside uncovered in all the elements that Sounthern Ontario could throw at it....was trahed when I got it and is a million times better now but still a far cry from being ready.

Actually one of the limiting factors for me is insurance...believe it or not since it is more than 25 years old it is very hard to get insurance up here and since it will be my first licensed bike it is crazy expensive to insure...

Also I like a mix of new and old...would still love to get the old Honda on the road and have committed to not parting out but rather will keep it and use it more for weekend fun eventually...

Dennis

P.S. I know the SV can be fully faired but the VAST majority only have the upper fairing (or atleast the ones I have seen for sale anyways)


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Re: Katana?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 09:06:07 PM »
The "Kanatuna"........

From what I have heard......don't waste your time and money......
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Re: Katana?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 09:14:36 PM »
A friend of mine had a 750 Katana, nearly the same bike as the 600.  I rode it some, and it wasn't a bad bike.  You might look for one of those, too.  I had a GSX-R1100.  They all share basically the same air/oil cooled mill,  and they are as bulletproof as they say.
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Re: Katana?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 09:22:20 PM »
just another option to consider...take a look at the VFRs as well. The V4 engine is very smooth same with the trans. I dont know much about the Katana though i have looked towards them myself as well.
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Re: Katana?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2007, 09:40:43 PM »
My old boss rode an '03 Katana...  He said of all the bikes he test rode (Yamaha, Honda, Buell, and Suzuki) the Katana was the most comfortable of the crotch rockets, and heavy enough to not get batted around by the big trucks on the interstate.

Course he may have been on a 750, I never thought to ask.
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 05:17:51 AM »
Now that I think about it, a Katana is probably going to require just as much maintenance as a properly sorted CB750. You lose the points, obviously, but you still have four carbs to synchronize and you have 16 valves instead of eight. I don't remember what the adjustment intervals were.

My first-generation SV was the S model, which has an upper fairing. I did thousands of highway miles on it, fully loaded down with luggage, and eventually sold it with about 30,000 on the clock. Rode several times to Arizona and back and once to New York and back. (Back being New Orleans.) The only problems I had were those caused by inept mechanics.

The Katana will have an edge for highway riding because it weighs more and has a saddle that is a bit wider. But the advantage is not as great as you might suspect. And the SV is better in virtually all other areas, in my opinion. On paper, the horsepower and performance numbers look similar, but from the saddle, things are far different.

If it was me, I would get a Katana if my riding was almost exclusively highway, or exclusively two-up or if I got a screaming good price. In all other cases, I'd get the SV. It is a far superiour motor, far better handling, quicker, easier to work on.

Is it possible to test ride where you live?

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Re: Katana?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 10:35:39 AM »
I know a bit about Kats, worked on them since the original came out with the TSCC engines, before the SACS motors.
 The motor is a development of the original 1985 GSX-R750 engine
The 750 Katana is a much nicer bike than the 600 which is not an underpowered turd.  Its a de-bored 750, couple of inches shorter, inch or so lower than 750
It is buzzy and may feel under powered (only rated at 80 bhp) but thats generally because most people try and ride it as though it had a much bigger engine.
Compared to other 600cc sportbikes its way down on power (around 100bhp for 600cc sport bikes)
The good thing about them ( if you like to tinker) is the cylinder bore spacing is exactly the same as the 1100 or 1200 Bandit. Shortening a set of 1100 liners and fitting pistons will give you a 931cc '600' ( or just slot in a 1200 with 750 l cams, couple of other mods, 141bhp at wheel) ;D
The maintenance is much lower than on even the best SOHC CB750 and also much easier to carry out.
 Change the oil and filter, adjust drive chain, air tyres.
The valves don't need adjusting half as much as it says in manual, unless you hitting redline for miles every day.
 After its done about 12,000 miles you can miss at least every other valve adjust, and usually its only checked but not adjusted
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Re: Katana?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 10:42:57 AM »
just another option to consider...take a look at the VFRs as well. The V4 engine is very smooth same with the trans. I dont know much about the Katana though i have looked towards them myself as well.

I hate the VFR with a passion, in all shapes and sizes, from 400 to 1100  >:( >:(
Early ones (750) had cam/cam chain problems, adjusters stopped working, carb synch sucks, as does valve adjustment, although Honda came out with a Mickey Mouse 'fix'
Later gear driven cams worked well but for me it was way too late to like it. ( and when they fail its real expensive for a new gear train)
The carbs still suck. If you get a FI bike, apparently its better, but I wouldn't know as I refused to work on them years previously
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Re: Katana?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 06:18:00 PM »
I still cant decide what I want...I have a line on an '02 Kat 600 with about 7000 kilometres and he is asking 4500 so if I can talk him down to around 4000 I will seriously consider it!

I like the VFR and will likely at some point move up to an 800 at some point...but who knows for now I want a fairly reliable and somewhat fun 600 as insurance really is a deal breaker...

Will keep you guys in the loop as to my decision and what I think of it after I get it as I  looking at likely 2-3 months before I can even take it out due to the weather we are having but who knows...I will insure it right away and hope for the best!

Dennis