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Re: 1977 cb750a - Charging issue
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2019, 09:45:12 PM »
It appears to me then, that your regulator is not providing sufficient current to the field coil.  Assuming that all connections are/were correct, all the grounds are good (including the case of the regulator (some need it)), then I'd by a Hondamatic specific regulator.  I know Vintage CB750 has one.  I don't recall what brand I bought - too long ago.

So do you think that since my new regulator was wired up wrong, that it was ruined because of that or was something else possibly the issue? I’m almost 100% certain that I’ve rewired it correctly. I can post new pictures of the wiring if needed to possibly have someone double check my work? I would also like to point out that I checked continuity through my voltage regulator and there’s none. My multimeter doesn’t beep and the numbers show about 580. I’m still learning how to fully use a multimeter so bear with me here. 😅 Thanks.
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Re: 1977 cb750a - Charging issue
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2019, 11:29:25 PM »
I can't make any determination about your wiring without knowing the regulator's make/model (or access to its instructions/schematic for the regulator) - that is why I asked for that information.  The regulator color codes seem to align to the Honda color codes, but I'd like to validate that - and I'd need regulator info.

In the mean time:

At the regulator, the black wire is connected to a blue wire - to what is the blue wire connected?

I assume that the white wire from the regulator connects to the white wire at the engine? 

I also assume that one of the green wires from the regulator connects to the green wire at the engine?

Where does the second green wire from the regulator go?

At the engine, the blue wire goes where?  The blue/red wire is the oil pressure switch wire - and shouldn't go to the regulator - does it?

« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 11:59:38 PM by raymond10078 »
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Re: 1977 cb750a - Charging issue
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2019, 03:57:39 AM »
That blue wire was originally connected to the red/blue wire coming from the engine. But that was how the previous owner had wired in the regulator/rectifier. Which is obviously incorrect. I believe the black wire from the regulator should go to a switched 12v source, correct? White wire from regulator goes to engine and so does green and then the second green wire is grounded directly to the frame under the gas tank. Three yellow wires coming from the engine are connected with three yellow on the regulator/rectifier and then the red wire from the rr is connected to constant 12v source. From my understanding, that should be correct? I got the rr cheap off of eBay so I will post the link to it:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Voltage-Regulator-Rectifier-For-1975-1978-Honda-CB750F-CB750K-31400-300-035-/282795110215?txnId=1981908577018

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Re: 1977 cb750a - Charging issue
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2019, 02:21:40 PM »
Well The previous owner definitely wired the voltage regulator wrong. To my knowledge, I’ve rewired it correctly now and we will see if there is any changes tomorrow because it’s currently too late to start the bike right now.. I also invested in a new multimeter because mine was a little janky and old. The field coil checked out good but when I test the stator, all yellow wires read 0 ohms. Does this possibly mean my stator is bad? I have a spare stator and it reads the same.

Most digital meters with a 10-ohm range will read the stator OK, but if they don't, it may not have enough resolution. They are 0.7 ohms each phase. Also, low-ohm ranges on digital ohmmeters take about 6 seconds to settle to the final reading, so hang onto the wires for a while when reading these low-resistance windings.
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Re: 1977 cb750a - Charging issue
« Reply #29 on: May 03, 2019, 05:37:37 PM »
I must be missing something here, the voltage regulator that you linked to on ebay is for a 750K and a 750F. If you check the application that they have listed, it says that it won't work on a 750A. I guess you proved them right. ??? Different bikes, different charging system.

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Re: 1977 cb750a - Charging issue
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2019, 05:46:12 PM »
Well The previous owner definitely wired the voltage regulator wrong. To my knowledge, I’ve rewired it correctly now and we will see if there is any changes tomorrow because it’s currently too late to start the bike right now.. I also invested in a new multimeter because mine was a little janky and old. The field coil checked out good but when I test the stator, all yellow wires read 0 ohms. Does this possibly mean my stator is bad? I have a spare stator and it reads the same.

Most digital meters with a 10-ohm range will read the stator OK, but if they don't, it may not have enough resolution. They are 0.7 ohms each phase. Also, low-ohm ranges on digital ohmmeters take about 6 seconds to settle to the final reading, so hang onto the wires for a while when reading these low-resistance windings.

Your color understanding is correct.  I don't know if or how is was mis-wired - possibly even before you owned it - meaning - maybe it's bad now?  The fact that the sales lising on ebay omits the CB750A is either an oversight, or reflects a limitation of that regulator.  I see other regulators that include many of the models listed also include the CB750A, so maybe it'll work, and maybe it won't.

What kind of meter do you have?  Most have a "zero-ing" function - meaning you can either set to zero by touching the leads together and adjusting the setting; and others will reset to zero with a button push (with the wires together).  As Hondaman said, the expected resistance may be too low for your meter to read accurately.

At this point - which field coil is installed?  A CB750A coil, or another? 

If I were in your shoes, I'd be buying a CB750A specific rr. I know it's expensive, but it will likely be quality, and be the right part.  Saving $$ on a part, sometimes, ends up wasting time and money.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2019, 05:47:46 PM by raymond10078 »
1978 CB750A (upgrading very, very slowly)

Past bikes - Honda: SL350, CX650C, CB900C, CB1000C, CM450A; Kawasaki: several 1972 750 H2's; Suzuki: TC90J.

Bikes I want: CX650ED, a mid-sized japanese V-twin with ABS.