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Exhaust joint collar - SOLVED
« on: May 22, 2019, 01:25:53 PM »
So if you saw my last exhaust post you know I have some kind of odd homemade concoction. I needed a new set of collar joints for the exhaust flanges. Ordered a set by the stock number from off cmsnl. They do not fit, the double collar is too thick to fit over the pipe and into the flange. I've attached a photo of the ones that came off. Does anyone know if these are production for a different exhaust? Only other solution I can think of is if I can separate the two collars and use them singular.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2019, 02:22:16 PM »
I think I've determined it must be a MAC due to the collars so perhaps its a homemade MAC homologation?

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2019, 02:22:44 PM »
So you didn't get the full set of 4 (8 halves) with your bike? The ones you have look like 550 collars.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2019, 02:24:01 PM »
The Kerker 4-1 on my 550 also used the single thickness collars, so MAC isn't the only company that uses them.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2019, 02:44:56 PM »
Dolomite...... a few years ago I had a similar problem. Found some thick walled, black water pipe that had the correct ID. With a power hack saw, I sliced off 4 pieces the right length, then split each one into halves with a hand saw. Blew a bit of black VHT paint on them. Took an hour+, but still in there working fine!

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2019, 03:38:13 PM »
So you didn't get the full set of 4 (8 halves) with your bike? The ones you have look like 550 collars.

The old looking ones are the one's that came on the bike, 4 sets of 2 joined by a tab.
Dolomite...... a few years ago I had a similar problem. Found some thick walled, black water pipe that had the correct ID. With a power hack saw, I sliced off 4 pieces the right length, then split each one into halves with a hand saw. Blew a bit of black VHT paint on them. Took an hour+, but still in there working fine!

Did you flare them to go inside the collar lip or just cut a slim section to act as the top of the joint? Any pictures would be a tremendous help!

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2019, 04:14:51 PM »
They go on with the flared part of the sleeve against the collar. There should be grooves around the circumference of the collar for them to sit in. The pipes should have a flare on them and the unflared end of the sleeve gets pressed against that by the collar pushing the pipe against the copper gasket in the exhaust port.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2019, 05:20:59 PM »
They go on with the flared part of the sleeve against the collar. There should be grooves around the circumference of the collar for them to sit in. The pipes should have a flare on them and the unflared end of the sleeve gets pressed against that by the collar pushing the pipe against the copper gasket in the exhaust port.

Yes I know how they go on, my issue is my exhaust does not utilize the stock joint sleeves and I need to source replacements or fabricate new ones.

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2019, 06:05:51 PM »
It looks like a cb500/550 collar is the closest stock joint that would fit, going off partzillas measurement it is the same diameter as the ones I have.

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2019, 08:08:23 PM »
Dolomite...... in response to your question to me: The pipe I used was very thick wall. The ID catches the ex pipe lip and the OD fits in the finned, clamping collar. I found it in my scrap, I think it was an old piece  of black sprinkler pipe....."

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2019, 05:38:25 AM »
They go on with the flared part of the sleeve against the collar. There should be grooves around the circumference of the collar for them to sit in. The pipes should have a flare on them and the unflared end of the sleeve gets pressed against that by the collar pushing the pipe against the copper gasket in the exhaust port.

Yes I know how they go on, my issue is my exhaust does not utilize the stock joint sleeves and I need to source replacements or fabricate new ones.

I did see your prior post, but if the exhaust came with sleeves I don't understand why you are looking for more. Do the ones you have not fit?
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2019, 06:47:19 AM »
They are damaged from the PO either installing incorrectly or over tightening them, the flares have mushroomed over so they do not seal 100%

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2019, 08:24:43 AM »
The sleeves are just metal, why can't you straighten them with a hammer and a piece of water pipe? If the edges seem like they would mushroom again then run a bead of weld. I am assuming that the header pipes have flares where they enter the exhaust ports. Post some of the pictures of the exhaust to this thread as well so we don't have to jump back and forth with the "identify my exhaust' thread, and please include the ends of the header pipes, which wasn't in that original post.

We are all trying to provide advice without really having a clear (literal) picture of your issue.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2019, 12:14:21 PM »
I can post pictures of the flanges this evening, but apart from a diameter difference, everything else appears to be the same. I have been trying to flatten/ reshape the joint collars that were on it but as it isn't very thick metal it is weakening which is why a fabrication or replacement of new ones is my preference. The OEM Honda joints I got were too thick to fit into the flanges between the header pipe as they are a stepped setup, and nothing else on the exhaust indicated that it was anything other than a modified stock setup (ie no markings, stamps, labels, etc). That suggests to me that this is more than likely a modified aftermarket setup so there must be other people out there who have a similar setup, like the Kerker or MAC which also use a single style joint. I appreciate your suggestions but they haven't answered my question in the capacity I am looking for. Yes I have the original collars which can be renewed to work, but they will not last as they are already old and weakening. I am looking for someone who had this same experience and fabricated a set, like Benelli, or someone who sourced suitable replacement.

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2019, 12:27:43 PM »
You said that you think they are MAC pipes. You might try reaching out directly to them to see if they sell the sleeves.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2019, 08:08:29 PM »
Finally heard back from MAC, they sell the joints over the phone, say you need part number "clips-3" and they are $15 (not certain if that is each or for a set yet)

I will be calling to order them tomorrow so I will fill in any further details

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2019, 10:04:54 AM »
Update, it is $15 for the set of 4 (they are joined by a tab so only 4 are required opposed to 8 of the half moons) plus ~$5 for shipping.

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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2019, 10:18:14 AM »
 When you get it figured out shoot us a pic in case one of us runs into that issue.
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Re: Exhaust joint collar
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2019, 02:21:19 PM »
Got the joints from MAC today and they are a perfect and identical fit! Also after looking at some of MACs older exhaust systems i think this may have been a straight 2.5 or turn out from the collector that was trimmed down. But anyone who needs the single step collars, part number clips-3, $15 for a full setplus shipping so ~$20, which is still far less than modifying a set of stocks.

Also I ordered a pair of the 500 single step joints for giggles to see if they would work and without modifying the answer is no. So MAC is by far the best route to go if you need these.