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Offline yarburdin

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Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« on: June 20, 2019, 10:42:41 AM »
Hello Dear Fellows,

I've recently changed my whole wiring harness in Honda CB750K 1977.

But unfortunately I was unable to figure out where to connect few wires that we left out.

2 wires coming out of the front of the harness, right next to the ignition coil wiring. Colors light green and black.

3 wires coming out of the back of the harness, next to the regulator, rectifier, etc wiring. Colors are green, black and grey (regulator is already connected).

Pictures of the wires attached.

Thank you,
Yaro

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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2019, 10:51:24 AM »
I think the front wires go to your horn and the back gray wire is blinker relay, green and black are power and ground for something.

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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2019, 10:57:41 AM »
Dracon,

Yes! Likely the case.

I have a blinker relay from kawasaki which is yet to be connected, cant check the part number right now.

It has 2 terminals.

As you mentioned, one is going to be connected to the grey wire.

What should the other terminal be connected to? Power (black) or ground (green) wire?

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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 11:43:50 AM »
Power. The green is for a possible 3-terminal flasher.

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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 04:11:53 PM »
Front 2 horn rear 3 a 3 terminal flasher relay
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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2019, 06:33:46 PM »
The OEM wire harnesses all have a spare GREEN (bike frame ground connection) wire under the seat as the attachment point for Honda techs who were troubleshooting the wiring on the production line. The Gray is for the Flasher (2-wire type), its power comes from a Black wire. The Grey goes to the L/R turn signal switch connection in the headlight. If you use a 2-terminal flasher, look for the one that is marked for power (Black), because they are polarity-sensitive and often don't work if wired up backward.
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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2019, 06:43:32 PM »
+1 on Dracon and HondaMan.

I have the same bike and harness and can confirm thats what they are. My winker relay only has two prongs so I have an extra wire
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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2019, 04:52:57 PM »
 I never knew the green was for a testing connection. I always thought it odd they left it for the blinker, not like a manufacturer to add a thing that wasn't needed. A penny per vehicle could be a workers wages that year.
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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2019, 06:02:35 PM »
I wondered for many years why this Green wire was left there, until I met a guy here named Axel, from Japan. He used to have a custom bike-build shop next door to the machine shop I use for my engine work, but he moved to Texas 2 years ago. He was born in Japan and worked on the Honda production lines in 1972-1976, building the Fours and 450 Twins. He was the one who told me about Sochiro riding his 350F right up to the production lines with wrenches in his back pockets, to work on the bikes alongside everyone else. Axel was rotated, like everyone else, to every phase of assembly (except engines, he said that was a special group by themselves), and the electrical phases had test boxes with volt/current meters and lights, and special harnesses to connect to the bikes for checkout. The 'spare' Green ground was universal on the bikes, or a special place for their ground clip identified, and it was the primary attachment point for these testers. The technician had just a couple of minutes to plug his harness adapter into the right colors in the side cover and headlight bucket where the wires were not yet connected together, and then operate all the controls to make sure the switches had not been damaged nor the wires cut (because they ran inside the handlebars and came from another vendor), and the Ground made it to the headlight bracket within a certain resistance, or less.
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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2019, 04:37:55 AM »
I wondered for many years why this Green wire was left there, until I met a guy here named Axel, from Japan. He used to have a custom bike-build shop next door to the machine shop I use for my engine work, but he moved to Texas 2 years ago. He was born in Japan and worked on the Honda production lines in 1972-1976, building the Fours and 450 Twins. He was the one who told me about Sochiro riding his 350F right up to the production lines with wrenches in his back pockets, to work on the bikes alongside everyone else. Axel was rotated, like everyone else, to every phase of assembly (except engines, he said that was a special group by themselves), and the electrical phases had test boxes with volt/current meters and lights, and special harnesses to connect to the bikes for checkout. The 'spare' Green ground was universal on the bikes, or a special place for their ground clip identified, and it was the primary attachment point for these testers. The technician had just a couple of minutes to plug his harness adapter into the right colors in the side cover and headlight bucket where the wires were not yet connected together, and then operate all the controls to make sure the switches had not been damaged nor the wires cut (because they ran inside the handlebars and came from another vendor), and the Ground made it to the headlight bracket within a certain resistance, or less.

Interesting information! Thanks for sharing this!

Would be great to talk to Axel and ask some details how Fours have been made... Especially how they were fitting carbs on CB550K1!   ;)
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Re: Wiring Harness Connectors to Explain
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2019, 04:40:51 AM »
BTW, would be great if there is a book with such intersting stories (not just technical) about Fours production, dealers, shops that time. At least would be interesting for me to read
Maybe it exists and I just don't know about it?
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2019, 12:08:16 PM »
BTW, would be great if there is a book with such intersting stories (not just technical) about Fours production, dealers, shops that time. At least would be interesting for me to read
Maybe it exists and I just don't know about it?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-Motorcycles-by-Aaron-Frank-MOTORBOOKS-INTERNATIONAL/382819556457?hash=item5921d2dc69:g:B9kAAOSwgX9cfBI5
Honda Motorcycles by Aaron Frank. Probably out of print by now, but available used somewhere..
sorry, a bit off topic here..
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