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Offline Juan1

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Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« on: July 10, 2019, 09:50:50 AM »
A few years back I stumbled across a cheap '78 CB750 that I restored and sold.  I'm thinking about selling my Moto Guzzi Griso and picking up another SV650s as well as an older bike.  Any thoughts?  My priorities are as follows:

1. Ability to hit the freeway for up to 15 miles.
2. Good handling.  My old CB750 stopped poorly and turned slowly.  I don't expect modern sportbike handling, but just something that isn't a freight train.
3. $3k-$4k total budget. 
4. Not terrible reliability.  I don't mind the occasional issue, but I'd like to avoid anything known for constantly breaking.

My short list:
CB77, CB400f & CB350 twin.

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2019, 10:34:46 AM »
my own biased, never restored anything, opinion is one of the 550's .400's..... there seems to be a strong aftermarket, used, and even nos part supplies. Even after market side covers. Replica paint kits, decals, harnesses.........and tons of knowledge on forums like this.........
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2019, 11:18:58 AM »
Cb77's are kinda cool.

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2019, 03:23:11 PM »
your short list are all screaming for all they are worth on the freeway...you and the bike would usually be ok but 15 miles of it would not be anything similar to enjoyable.  cb550 corners amazing but basically the same useless brake as your 750.

Of course there are many solutions to make all these bikes do what you want.
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2019, 03:26:29 PM »
Was once told legend of an old 305 that could outrun a Ducati of the era.

Of course, the man who owned that 305 was a machinist by trade and what's inside that Honda remains a secret 😉

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2019, 10:07:39 PM »
Perhaps I'm going too far in trying to avoid something that handles poorly.  How does the 450 handle?  Can the engine be opened without pulling the damn thing out of the frame?

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 03:53:31 AM »
i rode this 450 for 5 years back in the 70's. I went to college on it, didn't have a car. I topped it out at 95 mph, it liked to wallow in corners when pushed. I thought i was king of the road......until i bought a brand new 550F. I never had to open my motor so can't answer that....sorry about upside down.

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2019, 04:29:16 AM »
plus, i go to numerous bike shows and hardly ever see, if never, restored 450's. I suspect the parts supply and support is not as abundant as 400's and 550's......however...if you need a dragon tank set for a 72-73 450.....i've got one...

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2019, 05:52:57 AM »
I bought a new 1974 CB450 which I rode for a couple years. Got on a 750 and found the ride and handling so much better. Plus, that 450 had some vibration to it especially on the higher speeds. No comparison to the 750's for comfort, but that is to be expected.
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2019, 07:27:08 AM »
The cb750 handles the way it does because you have not invested in handling. Same with the brakes. For a great budget CB750, do the GL1000 front end swap with good pads and drilled rotors, new spring/emulators/oil, then a nice set of Ikon shocks out back, maybe a little longer than stock and you will have very nice handling and braking, all for not a lot of money. Improving these systems makes them a whole lot more fun to ride. After that put a few bucks in a fresh top end with a nice street cam and you will have a really nice package.
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2019, 03:51:11 PM »
 From where I live, I can get a road-ready SV650 for under $3K.

 But from your list, I'd look at the 400F (probably a little more expensive to restore) or the 350 twin (cheap, tons of parts, not that fast).

 Or a 550. For the same money as the 350, you'd have a MUCH more capable bike.
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2019, 04:43:00 PM »
The cb750 handles the way it does because you have not invested in handling. Same with the brakes. For a great budget CB750, do the GL1000 front end swap with good pads and drilled rotors, new spring/emulators/oil, then a nice set of Ikon shocks out back, maybe a little longer than stock and you will have very nice handling and braking, all for not a lot of money. Improving these systems makes them a whole lot more fun to ride. After that put a few bucks in a fresh top end with a nice street cam and you will have a really nice package.
I'd like to keep the bike stock with the exception of shocks and springs.  The bike would be mostly for show.

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2019, 03:24:40 AM »
does the 3 - 4 thousand include the bike? Do your restoration skills include prepping and repainting all parts? Do you want concours original, or just a real nice show bike? Maybe you enjoy the hunt for parts and labor ....and time involved...maybe not....Usually it boils down to headers and exhaust as the parts that are the sticking point, both cost and availability.
     So yamiya has exact exhausts for the 400, plus tanks, side covers, etc.,....money is all it takes.
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2019, 04:43:54 AM »
David Silvers Spares collects either the 450 or the 400F, one of these...I think the 450, and they have worked to source and  also  helped create  aftermarket parts for that model. You should be able to find out which by either visiting their website and searching or doing a google search for the cb400f or cb450 and DSS (David Silvers Spares).


Personally, the cb550 I feel would be a better choice. Just need to source a '77-78 valve/can cover for the '74-76 cb550 to have a can/rocker/valve cover that will not wear eccentric holes in the cover from the rocker shafts. The early cb550 and cb500 ( I think had the same design) suffered from eccentric wear in the cover because the rocker shafts were spinning in the cover causing the wear. Late cb550 covers had pinned rocker shafts, eliminating the issue.


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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2019, 08:12:47 AM »
  Silvers was buying up all the CB400F's at one time.

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2019, 08:11:25 PM »
does the 3 - 4 thousand include the bike? Do your restoration skills include prepping and repainting all parts? Do you want concours original, or just a real nice show bike? Maybe you enjoy the hunt for parts and labor ....and time involved...maybe not....Usually it boils down to headers and exhaust as the parts that are the sticking point, both cost and availability.
     So yamiya has exact exhausts for the 400, plus tanks, side covers, etc.,....money is all it takes.
questions only you can answer.....
3 to 4 is with paint.  I can prep but not paint.  No need for a literal show bike, I was just trying to communicate that I have other options to go far or fast. 

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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2019, 08:18:39 AM »
 I pick mine, come get it and let me know when it's done. L0L!
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2019, 02:04:28 AM »
 Although I'm a fan of the 550, for what you are talking about , I think that the  1980 or '81 650 would be a better choice. Not the' 79, it's bulky. The 650 is more nimble than the 550.
 The frame is similar, has the same cradle as the 550 but a breakaway frame....unbolt the lower side of the frame and it's engine is in  and out without any of the BS like laying the engine on it's side and weaseling the frame over top of it to get it back in.
  Both the front and rear suspension ( including swing arm ) are a bit beefier but gentle. the bike handles smoothly and is predictable.....no sudden jolts will rattle you or chatter the rear wheel much. The stock rear shocks are better than the 550 and even the 750, the front suspension may have a little more travel it seems and the forks have oil and a few lbs. air pressure too.  swing arm is about an inch and a half longer than the 550. Longer travel,better shocks , nicer ride.
  The seat, not flat like the 500/ 550 where if you regularly ride 2 up and brake hard you find your second rider sliding up the seat into you effectively crushing your balls into the tank. the '78 version seats  not much better, second rider's weight is higher when t comes forward. '79 650 came with that style seat, but the '80 and up style change included a more comfy modern seat that seems nicer for both riders.
  650 engine leaves the 550 in the dust on the road. built very similar, but has hemi head design, larger diameter exhaust and upgraded diaphragm type carbs that feel smoother than PD's but still as snotty going up the tach. and a smooth transmission, and larger chain than the 550. Has early electronic ignition.
  Brakes, Rear brakes the same as the 550 /750 but you can get better shoes. front brake on the650 spoke wheels and 1980 comstar wheels are single disc, I think the '81 came out with dual front disc on comstar only. comstars can take tubeless tires and rear tire can be wider than the 550 due to the length of the swing arm and the inner tire arc is farther away from the axle.
   Blacksheep of the Honda fours usually less expensive to purchase, parts availability can be hit or miss depending.
that's the good, here's the bad.
   Comes with the worst stock handlebars in the world and should be removed immediately upon purchase and left with the PO so you have to get a decent set of bars....it's for your own safety, isn't but should be mandatory. and luckily most clubman cafe bars don't fit. Should replace the angled front brake res. with a level res.for safety and it won't drool brake fluid on the tank.
    Looks like hell if flat black and normally takes more effort to make a decent looking cafe style due to the angle of the tank and seat,
 if that's what you want to do.
    Known to have charging issues more so than 550.
That's my 2 cents.
   
 
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Re: Help Me Pick Another Bike to Restore.
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2019, 11:33:04 AM »
your short list are all screaming for all they are worth on the freeway...you and the bike would usually be ok but 15 miles of it would not be anything similar to enjoyable.  cb550 corners amazing but basically the same useless brake as your 750.

Of course there are many solutions to make all these bikes do what you want.

on my 400 I haven't even got to use 6th gear yet... it does 75 on the freeway just fine. On my 350 (k2) I can cruise the freeway at 75 and I am only about 7,000 rpm's in 5th gear.
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