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Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« on: July 08, 2019, 10:21:55 PM »
Want to run stock tire sizes on my 1971 CB500K - such a limited selection! WTH - suggestions welcome! Located in California.

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2019, 11:01:30 PM »
Can you get Metzeler or Continental tyres in the US?
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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2019, 02:43:06 AM »
You do not want the real stock tyres on that bike, you would then severely limit your riding pleasure!
I remember a set of Yokohama's in the 70's.......they started skidding when it was rainy on the other side of town!
They lasted forever, I think they were made of some kind of wood! I endured it for a couple of months, switched to Metzeler, and those were Perfect :)

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2019, 07:32:07 AM »
Put Bridgestone S11 Spitfires on my '71 CB500 four K0.  Run them also on my '78 CB550 too.  Seem fine.  They are not the favorite of some here, but work for a Sunday rider and occasional MC commuter such as I.

Many like the Avon AM26 Roadriders and budget minded folks have been happy with the Shinko 712 tires.

The Continental tires are very popular too.

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2019, 07:58:19 AM »
I do want to run stock tire size (I should have been more specific) 
Why? - Just to see
I've run Bridgestone Battleax, Pirelli Sport Demon, Michelin Pilot... Those are the ones I can remember... any ideas are welcomed.

I understand the original size tires for the 1971 CB500K was 3.25-19" front and 3.50-18" rear. 
Pressure rear 34lbs psi front 28 psi

I've been running:
110/90-18 back
100/90-19 front

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2019, 08:11:11 AM »
The front you are running is not that far off from OEM.

There are a couple tires that you can still get in inch sizes. Avon Roadriders are popular and available in inch sizes. I ran them on my Royal Enfield Bullet and was really happy with the improvement in handling.

I have also run Shinko 712's on my 550's with good results.

My 750F currently has Metzler Sportec Klassics on it and I am Very happy with the performance, but the closest they offer is a 4.00x18 rear.
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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2019, 10:55:43 AM »
ive got the shinko 712 on one 550
and bridgestone battlax on another
ive never had a problem with either for a couple years now
but here in Southern CA there hasnt been alot of weather changes but sunny lately
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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2019, 01:22:16 PM »
I think 3.25x19 front, 4.00x18 rear is as close as you can get these days...available from Metzeler, Avon, Dunlop, maybe Conti and only selected tread patterns.  OOps, try IRC and Heidenau too, 2 often overlooked brand that has good vintage size options
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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2019, 01:24:39 PM »
If it works good, it looks good...

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2019, 02:56:47 PM »
I think 3.25x19 front, 4.00x18 rear is as close as you can get these days...available from Metzeler, Avon, Dunlop, maybe Conti and only selected tread patterns.  OOps, try IRC and Heidenau too, 2 often overlooked brand that has good vintage size options

Agreed.   I'm partial to Metzeler.   

The Cb550 used 3.75 for the rear.  Not certain the 500 used 3.50 rear originally.  But, I'm pretty sure they came with Bridgestones that had a rubber formulation unlike what you can purchase today.

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2019, 03:29:22 PM »
3.50 is too narrow for a CB500.
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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2019, 08:43:45 PM »
Thanks!

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2019, 08:45:25 PM »
Can you get Metzeler or Continental tyres in the US?

Yes, I'll look at them thanks

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2019, 12:10:05 AM »
I use metzeller perfect me 77 3.50 x 18 rear and perfect me 11 3.25 x 19 front. Doesnt matter if they only come in tubeless just fit a tube.
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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2019, 03:29:17 AM »
FYI - I decided to forego buying the stock tire size, CB500. I went back to Bridgestone - in this case the BT45. I've run the Battle ax before, a bit bigger than stock. It's true that there are tires available that seem to be the stock size  - ie. the IRC, Metzeler and Conties (If you are considering these tires for a stock tire size - don't count on me as being correct, plz check out for yourself)

Problem for me: The tread pattern on these tires match closely to the stock pattern, which some people love for its 'vintage' look. I don't care how the tires look, I want performance. The pattern on these 'stock size' tires are primarily a series of grooves running somewhat in parallel with the side of the tire. Some people complained of discomfort when running on ie. grooved pavement - bridges. I really don't like that. I figured to go w what 2019  has to offer in tire tread engineering and forget 1971 tire size engineering. I wanted to see what the bike does w the stock tire size for kicks, and if a different, more modern tread had been offered I would have gone w that.

At the same time, some peeps warned me against going w a skinny tire - a bit unclear why but perhaps the bigger tire offers more meat/cushion/tread and therefore more grip and safety. I'd also guess that they are more forgiving -  ie. unexpected potholes, rolling over debris, being in a patch of dirt or gravel.

Thanks to those who weighed in. Rubber down!

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Re: Stock tires for a '71 CB500K
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2019, 09:02:02 AM »
A wider tire on a narrow rim does NOT give you a bigger contact patch, because the narrow rim for the big tire size pinches the bead together and crowns the tread more severely, generating a smaller radius.  Added to that, the sidewall angle increases over what is recommended for the tire, making the tread crown unstable with respect to the rim position.  To stiffen the sidewall and improve tread posion w.r.t rim, higher pressures are needed  Which further crown the tire reducing contact patch further.

Worse, as the center of the tread wears down, the tread "squares off".  This creates the need for ever increasing counter steer as the tire wears, and impacts "handling" of the CB500/Cb550 which generally has pretty neutral steering and balance in the corners.

New tires will feel great initially.  Near end of life, you will have learned to compensate for the ill effects.  Leading you to believe the next new tire you replaced it with is far superior to the old you just replaced.  But, the pattern of wear and handling degradation will then repeat.

Tire salesmen love to sell you a bigger more expensive tire.  Better profit for them this way.  And they probably have in it stock to sell immediately.  Also the bigger tire on narrow rims wears more rapidly, putting you back in their store sooner for yet more profit.

Finally, a wider tire weighs more than than the stock size.  Placing more stress on shocks that are trying to keep the tire from bouncing off the pavement.  Your contact patch does nothing for you if the tire isn't on the pavement.  Further, adding weight to the bike, makes it slower, as the engine has to twirl the bigger tire overcoming more inertia, wheel and bike overall.

Good luck with your decision path.

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