Have you checked for air leaks by spraying some brake cleaner near the rubber boots (carbs to engine) and where the O-rings sit between the manifolds and the head?
Hey, I had originally, and I'm not sure if this is AFTER the third time removing/installing the carbs, but today, I THINK i may have found an air leak, although vague. I did replace those o-rings you mentioned yesterday and didn't notice a difference, although the ones that were there were almost completely flat. I don't think they were ever changed before. Thank you so much for your response.
The advancer mechanism is behind the points plate. The service manual/shop manual can be downloaded and it has removal covered...
The center nut on the points side can be deflected if you wrench on it too hard and this can introduce a wobble in the shaft which impacts the points and advancer.
The spark plugs need to be removed if you use it to rotate the motor.
If the shaft is bent you normally can gently tap it back into near true with some work with a small hammer and dial gauge to guide your work.
The nut on the rotor can be used to turn the bike over...or some have the bike in gear and use the rear tire to rotate it through...
Today I finally got some time to take a look at the timing, and although it was slightly off, after adjusting both plates, there is a noticeable difference, it
wants to stay idling for longer, but this still hasn't fixed the issue. I did NOT get it down to the advancer, simply because I ran out of time. But I will try and get to this asap and get back to the thread. Thank you for your response!
Actually you can use that 23 mm for cranking - at least on a CB500/550 - provided you use a T-handle. I never had to remove the plugs.
But I'd start with checking for airleaks. Spray some brakecleaner and when the rpm changes, voilà.
I didn't know this! I havent gotten to check to see if i did any damage, however, i was gentle, and only using a small 1/2 drive...plus im guessing that I'm not on the top-end of the compression spectrum xD Thank you for your response.
RAF +1 ! I would never turn the crank by that 23mm 'nut' on the end of the points cam with the plugs in, asking for trouble IMO. If the skinny points cam shaft gets bent then one set of points will be impossible to set correctly. Remove the plugs or do what I do and that is 'jab' the kick starter with my left hand in small increments ( plugs in ) to move the points cam while observing the timing marks, works fine. Are you setting the points gap with the points cam in the correct position ? Here's how. Turn the main points plate to 1/2 way in its travel. Snug up the 3 screws. Turn the sub plate ( 2-3 points ) plate to 1/2 way in its slots, snug the 2 screws. Now rotate the crank until the 1-4 'F' mark appears at the index mark in the 'window', now rotate the crank another 90 deg ( 1/4 turn ) clockwise past the 'F' mark. Stop there. This is where the points cam is at it's max lift. Now set the points gap to 14 thou. and tighten the points screw. Repeat the process for the 2-3 points at 90 deg. past it's 'F 'mark. Now set the timing by turning the main plate for 1-4 points so as the points open @ the 'F' mark. Need a meter or test light for this part. Tighten the 3 main plate screws when done . Then turn sub plate ( 2-3 ) to achieve points opening at 2-3 'F' mark. Tighten screws, done !
Noted! I used ya'lls suggested "jabbing" technique and it worked great! I managed to adjust the timing and as I mentioned above it made a difference, but nothing substantial. I believe I did exactly as you described. I used the combined input of your post, youtube, Clymers and Haynes repair manuals I scored for a few bucks at a garage sale to get this done
Thanks your your response.
To update ya'll yesterday I managed to find some time to wrench on this again, and I first started out by taking the carbs off and replacing the jets with my stock 38's. This is no easy task because of those stupid ROUND float bowl O-rings...Thank god for transgel. after this I removed the intake's and replaced the o-rings courtesy of my local Honda power-sports dealer (they had them in stock) and cleaned everything up a bit. I figured while I had the gas tank off I would go ahead and change the plugs, as I had new NGK ones from a kit i ordered awhile back. When I was removing the plugs
(if anyone was wondering the spark-plug removal tool from a 1987 Kawasaki ZG1000 also works perfectly for this bike) I noticed that number 3 spark plug wire boot was an aftermarket NGK one that not only DID NOT FIT, but was not even really connected. Again, like the carbs It's a miracle this thing was firing on all four when i got it. After some extremely makeshift fabrication I managed to make something work out of some lawn mower parts whilst waiting for the Honda parts to arrive. After getting everything back together, I started her up and noticed almost no difference. That to me is interested, the aftermarket-wildly different 38's, and the stock K ones that came with the bike, offer zero change when swapped.
Thank you all for your continued support and reading. Will try to keep getting new information and keep posting. , but I don't get enough time to post every day so I apologize for the sporadic updates.