Author Topic: Ethanol question (Read 2103 times)

bert96 · « **on:** November 19, 2019, 03:20:39 AM »

Hi,

I live in Quebec/Canada and the governement want to increase the ethanol in gas (15%). Do you see problems for our old bikes to run with a high ethanol gas!?!

Bert

Erny · « **Reply #1 on:** November 19, 2019, 06:10:54 AM »

15%??? That's crazy!
Here in Slovakia they will increase from current 5 to 10 % from 2020. This is already bad for old engines, especially carbs that were not designed for.
I think that bike will be running (but worse) provided you will use it regularly.

Even now, fuel manufacturers declares petrol stability and quality only 3 months after it is produced.

If you can avoid it, do, or apply at least some fuel stabilizer.

Steve F · « **Reply #2 on:** November 19, 2019, 07:14:33 AM »

Ethanol in gas is a political sham, and is lining the pockets of those in Washington that support it. You get less mileage and less performance with this corn by-product polluting our engines.

bert96 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 19, 2019, 07:19:13 AM »

Thats what i thought...

Its not a good news,to say at least.

Bert

Tim2005 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 19, 2019, 11:37:15 AM »

You will need to check if 15% ethanol is ok for your fuel lines, o-rings etc. Currently we have 5% ethanol here and some brands of fuel lines go hard and develop leak problems.

bert96 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 19, 2019, 12:13:29 PM »

Dammm!!!

Just F***** problems!!!

MikeSimon · « **Reply #6 on:** November 19, 2019, 04:33:35 PM »

We have had "up to 15% ethanol" in Ohio for quite some time. There are issues, not only with old bikes. I had a plastic fuel elbow in the line from the tank to the injectors in my 2012 BMW K1600GT come apart. The in-tank fuel gauges/senders on some BMWs fail and modern in-tank fuel pumps have seal issues. I use Startron Enzyme Fuel Treatment on a regular base and also use ethanol-free gas whenever I can.

bert96 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 19, 2019, 04:45:49 PM »

I don't understand why they want to use ethanol(corn)
The earth barely feed all the peoples now,i don't see the logical point to use food for another use.

seanbarney41 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 19, 2019, 05:03:18 PM »

and then there is that corn isn't that great for food either. The way it is used in U.S. processed foods is nigh on mass poisoning and has destroyed the health of millions of people.

ekpent · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2019, 05:34:51 PM »

My older Dodge mini-van can use the pure E85 stuff but still afraid to put any in as I might kill it for good. I bought a gallon once to experiment with and had some outdoors in a cat food can. I left it for awhile and when I came back it had a lot of dead flies floating in it. Must be some be some sweet stuff but gave them the kiss of death.
A friend of mine uses it in his Ford truck off and on and says its good for it and cleans things out.

bert96 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2019, 06:40:04 PM »

I heard that there is more water in ethanol than the regular gas!?!
I don't know about you guys but here in winter,we can reach -25-30 C easy. Guess what will happen....

Steve F · « **Reply #11 on:** November 20, 2019, 07:18:53 AM »

Quote from: bert96 on November 19, 2019, 04:45:49 PM

I don't understand why they want to use ethanol(corn)
The earth barely feed all the peoples now,i don't see the logical point to use food for another use.

See reply #2

Steve F · « **Reply #12 on:** November 20, 2019, 07:20:18 AM »

Quote from: seanbarney41 on November 19, 2019, 05:03:18 PM

and then there is that corn isn't that great for food either. The way it is used in U.S. processed foods is nigh on mass poisoning and has destroyed the health of millions of people.

The land that's used to grow corn could (and should) be used to grow other crops.

Nicklopic · « **Reply #13 on:** November 20, 2019, 02:41:46 PM »

I think people play up the problems with ethanol just a little, is it ideal in every situation? Definitely not. It attracts moisture more than standard gasoline and doesn't keep as long. However, its pretty wide spread in the US as far as I've seen to have ethanol contents up to 15%. Ive caught nonethanol fuel at a station maybe 1 time living in NY.
Its not the end of the world. Just be mindful when you park it for months at a time if anything.

rb550four · « **Reply #14 on:** November 20, 2019, 04:35:57 PM »

EVERYONE HATES THIS FUEL ADDITIVE

bert96 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 20, 2019, 04:54:43 PM »

HondaMan · « **Reply #16 on:** December 20, 2019, 06:28:53 PM »

Ethanol strips lubrication from the top rings and valve guides/stems. It is a solvent.
In the 750, with its steep valve angles, it wears out the valve guides quickly, in about 8000 miles in my experience, unless one is vigilant about adding oil to every tank of fuel. I managed to get 25000 miles from my 750 after ethanol 10% appeared here, by adding 1-2 ounces of oil to every tank of gas. Still, it wore the intake guides a lot. Installing bronze guides, as are found in cars engines made for the crap, works well. The 500/550 and 350F/400F have much shallower valve angles and don't suffer as badly from it.

BUT...it turns the fuel lines to hard plastic in about 12 months' time. Even the so-called 'ethanol-rated' lines (with the red stripe on them to symbolize "ethanol tolerant") lose all of their flexibility in about 18 months. There is some polyethylene fuel line out there, but in 1/4" size (a bit too big) that can help, if you can find some hose clips to seal up their weeping at joints.

If you rebuild, use only chrome top rings, too. This will help it last longer. Our friends at CruzinImage have lately (last 8 years or so) started doing this, too.

dusterdude · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2019, 03:49:58 AM »

I would think some mmo mixed with the gas would help

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bert96 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2019, 03:56:36 AM »

Excuse my question but what is mmo?

dusterdude · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2019, 03:58:24 AM »

Marvel mystery oil

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bert96 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 21, 2019, 04:20:31 AM »

Thanks for the answer!

dusterdude · « **Reply #21 on:** December 21, 2019, 04:23:16 AM »

You're welcome

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BomberMann650 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 21, 2019, 05:51:41 PM »

Quote from: seanbarney41 on November 19, 2019, 05:03:18 PM

and then there is that corn isn't that great for food either. The way it is used in U.S. processed foods is nigh on mass poisoning and has destroyed the health of millions of people.

Sean is right

dave500 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 21, 2019, 07:17:05 PM »

we still have non eth fuel here,id add a little two stroke oil if anything over mmo?its designed to be burnt and leave little ash.

BenelliSEI · « **Reply #24 on:** December 22, 2019, 01:09:45 AM »

Bert...... lots of “Super” pumps here in Ontario still have zero ethanol. Not true in Quebec?

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Author Topic: Ethanol question (Read 2103 times)