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Another oring mystery
« on: December 01, 2019, 11:22:08 AM »
So all these collected (12 at a time) green fuel connector orings that come in the cb400f engine gasket kits don't fit the fuel connectors. Well now isn't that special. What are those green orings for? They're about 3/8 or 7/16. The fuel T is what I'm looking for. I couldn't get three large brass caps loose to get the ball joints out to separate the carbs so i pulled the right side throttle shaft lever off(the one with a key) and removed the 8 stay screws to remove the "pair" of carbs to reach the T. If i can't get the caps off might be quite the chore putting the carbs back together. 3/8 butterfly ratchet set on low and holding dust cap B thingamajigs with some parallel pliers? It's all i can think of. I wd40'd the caps last night.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2019, 11:25:05 AM »
think they are for the valve stem sealing..not somthing ve use often
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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2019, 11:41:38 AM »
That's pretty good size valve stem. I got one of those red boxed china oring kits loaded with orings that never fit anything, might as well start there.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2019, 12:02:44 PM »
Apparently they are for the valve guides. However, they are also the right size for the front brake caliper pivot, which tends to need dismantling much more often.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2019, 04:25:19 PM »
Apparently they are for the valve guides. However, they are also the right size for the front brake caliper pivot, which tends to need dismantling much more often.

interesting, without looking in the manuals i know there's something like 8 valve guides, and maybe only the intake gets the orings but even still, they always send 12 of those orings. probably 2 on each ex guide and 1 for the intakes lol.

i wonder where to get those fuel orings, ebay? the cheap china kit of buna nitrile orings has something pretty close, although it says for automotive and aviation fuel the fine print says that material it's not recommended for highly aromatic fuels, like gasoline but the viton is better. so i'm gonna use the buna type anyways. in the old days if you needed oil for anything, it was like 30 wt motor oil will work. brake fluid and grease same thing, if you need to grease something there were 2 types, grease and bearing grease, and in those days things worked forever. oh that reminded me, my garlic bag on a bucket handle 3 or 4 yrs ago for an intank filter is showing absolutely no deterioriation. i got picture of it too. i didn't research any of the compatibility of it. and gasoline has found its match. that's a miracle.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2019, 07:20:44 PM »
Eight of those O-rings fit underneath the valve guides, if you replace them with OEM cast iron guides, which have a small recess under their flange for them. If you use bronze guides you don't need them.
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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2019, 08:31:26 PM »
So all these collected (12 at a time) green fuel connector orings that come in the cb400f engine gasket kits don't fit the fuel connectors. Well now isn't that special. What are those green orings for? They're about 3/8 or 7/16. The fuel T is what I'm looking for. I couldn't get three large brass caps loose to get the ball joints out to separate the carbs so i pulled the right side throttle shaft lever off(the one with a key) and removed the 8 stay screws to remove the "pair" of carbs to reach the T. If i can't get the caps off might be quite the chore putting the carbs back together. 3/8 butterfly ratchet set on low and holding dust cap B thingamajigs with some parallel pliers? It's all i can think of. I wd40'd the caps last night.




Napa #727-2605 fit the T...I think that number is good on all the sohc4s. That particular o- ring works for the 750 for sure.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2019, 06:39:29 AM »
I couldn't get three large brass caps loose to get the ball joints out to separate the carbs so i pulled the right side throttle shaft lever off(the one with a key) and removed the 8 stay screws to remove the "pair" of carbs to reach the T. If i can't get the caps off might be quite the chore putting the carbs back together. 3/8 butterfly ratchet set on low and holding dust cap B thingamajigs with some parallel pliers? It's all i can think of. I wd40'd the caps last night.

Those brass caps really shouldn't be on there that tight at all! Hope you can get them out in the end. But the thread is pretty fine, so if you have all the pieces separated, you might be able to squeeze it slightly in a vice and use a wrench or socket wrench on the cap without damage to the thread.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2019, 02:35:36 AM »
Eight of those O-rings fit underneath the valve guides, if you replace them with OEM cast iron guides, which have a small recess under their flange for them. If you use bronze guides you don't need them.

thanks for that info. i must be loosin my mind, for some reason i keep counting 12 with each gasket set, and can't figure out why it'd send with 4 extras, might of miscounted.

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Re: Another oring mystery
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2019, 03:27:13 AM »
as far as the orings for the fuel connectors, because the carbs were apart i had to use what i had laying around. a super cheap china general oring kit buna n nitrile 8 dollars on ebay has orings close but just a little smaller dia. sort of a test to see how long they last.

as far as the brass nuts only the first one on the #1 carb came off, the other 3 were too tight, i tried heating one with a lighter, still nothing, i left them on, i didn't need to separate all carbs, so i took off the dust cover B's and the right throttle shaft (not the one with the pin side) then took off the stay plate screws and now spreading the bottoms of the carbs and pulling the stay plate off gets the plate off of 3 and 4 carbs and about the same time slide off the keyed throttle shaft lever on the right side instantly gave access to the T, pulled stiff oings off, cleaned the holes and put the buna n nitrile orings on, put the t back in,  then all you got to do to separate the 3/4 pair, leaving the tops together  spread the bottoms to get the fuel connector out and replace the orings. then to get carbs 1 and 2 out of the stay plate is while pulling away from the throttle shaft, the throttle levers give clearance to pull the carbs out, then same thing spread those while holding the plate, soon as they clear the connector tube, then twist the carbs leaving them parallel to get room to clean the connector holes. putting them together is a snap only this time place the carbs or press them together everything lines up so easy, the choke lever the choke plates the vent tubes every pushed together and hold them all in your lap, to slide the right side shaft lever back onto the key then they plate slips right over the fronts of the carbs. keep the carbs in pairs, if only replacing the orings, a complete disassembly would make the brass caps removal a must. didn't have to even bother with the springloaded ball socket joints, under those brass caps. worked good. it's possible my carb leak problems since the 80s were incorrectly diagnosed as bowl leaks that caused the floats to be set lean ( i'm at elevation anyways,) thinking it offset the orings that might not have been leaking. anyways another long story, i adjusted the floats couple days ago to be just flat with carb bodies and that measure 21 mm, they've always been on an angle that i measure at it's middle point before. not now, they all set just as the pin touches the float, it stops the gas, so my bowls are finally filled max with no leaks. if you crash these bikes even with no leaks and just say the tank stays on, the carbs are still going to pour gas out laying on its side, and if pinned under a car, it could be a hot departure to hopefully hitch a ride on the hale-bop comet if it's near enough to stop for another cool aid drinking passenger. that thing is gassed up all the time.