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Offline mcpuffett

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10w/40 engine oil.
« on: February 05, 2007, 10:03:13 AM »
hi all, i have been down to my local Halfords today to get some oil and a filter for my 750 f1,

got my filter ok, i am using a spin on type filter so i got a champion c104 ,

looked at the price of motorcycle oil £22 for 5 litres of 10w/40 :o and decided to save a few quid by

looking at the none bike specific oil , so i bought this Halfords 10w/40 enhanced mineral oil for £14.00

quid  ;D,

but now i have the container home doubts have set in  :-\ , will this be ok for my bike? because it

says enhanced mineral oil? or is it just me being paranoid?,

cheers mick  ;).


 
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 10:16:31 AM »
Car oil specific for engines that don't share oil w/ clutches and tranny's have slippery hi-tech additives for increased fuel economy not good for motorcycle clutches and cause slippage.
Honda HP4 10w-40 costs $12 in a gallon jug at my local Honda dealer. If you want to save money, don't buy Honda oil filters which cost quadrouple compared to perfectly good aftermarket oil filters. And synthetic oil not really needed unless you overheat your engine and go more than 2000 miles between oil changes

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 11:08:29 AM »
uh oh,here we go again,but seriously.i use castro gtx 10w40 in the white bottle.have not had any clutch issues at all.
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 11:19:34 AM »
I believe if it says "Energy Conserving " or has "EC" on the bottle it has additives that may cause your clutch to slip. It's an automotive oil, best to buy motorcycle specific oils. That should start an everlasting oil thread again.
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2007, 11:22:21 AM »
Halfords sucks for anything Mick, I use Fuchs oil, I like the name ;D

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 11:42:23 AM »
At the shop, we advise that you do NOT use generic car oil. The risk for additives that can cause th clutch to slip is just too high. I may not cause it to slip today, or tomorrow, but over time, your clutch is going to die.



We reccommend Honda oil for regular, modern engines, Torco for high-stress/racing and Castrol Actevo for older bikes.

Whatever you do, DO NOT USE SYNTHETIC!!
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2007, 11:49:55 AM »
Do we need oil 101 again?

SYNTHETIC IS FINE!!!!!!! It is the additives that decide if a clutch is going to slip or not. You clutch will wear out sooner or later no matter what oil you use. Sorry jabba, that is the truth. I know you work for a dealer and you are supposed to tell people things like that, but it is just not true.

Most 10-40 oil is fine as I dont think there is ANY 10-40 that is energy conserving. 

A simple guideline to follow is this, Check to see if the oil says energy conserving on the back or if it contains high amounts of moly.
Either is a no-no for a wet clutch. 

10-40 if standard for our bikes. many of us use rotella t which is synthetic and it works great. Just as good as any honda oil will.
In fact jaba, how can you say to not use synthetic as the honda hp4 is part syn? Honda puts syn in their new bikes.

synthetic is IN FACT better than conventional oil. PERIOD

People just go back through some of the past oil topics. Loads of good info there all of which pretty much point to synthetic as being better.

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 11:51:59 AM »
thanks jabba,you`re making me agree with eldar again.man i hate that. ;D
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 12:05:20 PM »
Im with Duster on this - Ive used car oil - Castrol 10w-40 for many thousands of miles (~60,000 miles in last 6 years) and zero clutch slippage. You`ll be fine Mick with the Halfords stuff although Im with Magpie on this one that anything with the Halfords name on it isnt very good - just buy castrol next time :-)

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 12:42:40 PM »
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 02:13:14 PM »
woops i did it again  :D  ;) , that will teach me ,   mick.
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 02:44:51 PM »
Use Castrol GTX
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Oh did I mention my son-in-law works for Castrol  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2007, 02:45:41 PM »
Where did Dave get that pic of you and my wife ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2007, 02:50:25 PM »
i've no idea sam how are you? & malcolm can he get us any discount ;)  cheers mick.
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2007, 02:59:46 PM »
i've no idea sam how are you? & malcolm can he get us any discount ;)  cheers mick.

sadly no discount, I just keep flying the flag
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2007, 03:30:58 PM »
I currently use Castrol GTX 10/40,proberably due to good advertising. I used to use Unipart 10/40(red can)relatively cheap but good quality sj rated without any problems. As I dont do mega miles I change oil/filter (honda)once a year when I give my bike a full service.There is one thing ive noticed when holidaying in west side USA and that is how cheap oil is in shops out there I mean like 1/3rd to half our price in UK.
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2007, 04:14:13 PM »
Been a Castrol GTX fan for years. No wet clutch problems. 2 years ago switched to synthetic. Use Rotella synthetic now. No problems

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2007, 04:19:35 PM »
Been a Castrol GTX fan for years. No wet clutch problems. 2 years ago switched to synthetic. Use Rotella synthetic now. No problems

David

Did you notice any differences with the change to synthetic?

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2007, 04:56:04 PM »
I currently use Castrol GTX 10/40,proberably due to good advertising. I used to use Unipart 10/40(red can)relatively cheap but good quality sj rated without any problems. As I dont do mega miles I change oil/filter (honda)once a year when I give my bike a full service.There is one thing ive noticed when holidaying in west side USA and that is how cheap oil is in shops out there I mean like 1/3rd to half our price in UK.

Steve, the reason oil is expensive over here is because we are daft enough to pay the asking price, so let me tell you a little story.
During my racing career I have been contracted to Castrol, Duckhams and Shell.
During my spell with shell and Dugdale Motors, I had my one and only mechanical failure. (a holed piston in a Yamaha two stroke)
After they stripped the motor, i was asked what oil I had been running. I told them Shell, they told me it was'nt.
In the end I came clean and told them it was an experimental oil from a company called Racer Products and I was one of several people asked to test it.
The oil was made by a company called Rock Oil, a small company noted for it's cheap oil (reclaimed and re-refined).
Dugdales didn't bollock me forit, just told me to keep quiet about it and that the damage done had been minimal to what it would have been had I been using Shell.
Several years later I ended up with out a job and took a filling in job in a service station pushing Texaco oil.
I was trying to push 5ltrs onto a guy for £7.50 who told me he would use it if I gave him £5.00.
When I asked him what the score was he gave me his business card, turned out he was conultant to the motor oil industry.
When I asked him why I should give him £5.00 to use our oil, he said he only ever pays £2.50 retail.
I asked him what sort of oil he could buy for £2.50,... £5.00 cheaper that ours and his reply was, Rock oil.
He went on to tell me that he had nothing to do with Rock oil but he used their oil because it was cheap and like all oils in the UK had to conform to a British standard and that the silly prices we pay out for top branded oils was in fact because it was us that had more money than sense.
He claimed that if you change your oil and filter to the manufacturers milage or time scale as per instructed, any cheap oil will perform equally as well as an expensive one.

It's your money ::) ::) ::)

Sam. ;)

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2007, 05:09:37 PM »
Oil can be reclaimed, if the combustion by products contaminants are nuetralized and the particales are filtered out. Rotella diesel oil is very good for bikes since it contains (at least for now) some old school additives that containate catalytic converters. Since we don't have converters it is not an issues. The Deisel engine really pounds the bearings so it would probably hold up very well in our high reving engines. I am sure there will be 500 more posts below this one. OIL and GUNS create the longest threads.
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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2007, 05:49:16 PM »
Oil can be reclaimed, if the combustion by products contaminants are nuetralized and the particales are filtered out. Rotella diesel oil is very good for bikes since it contains (at least for now) some old school additives that containate catalytic converters. Since we don't have converters it is not an issues. The Deisel engine really pounds the bearings so it would probably hold up very well in our high reving engines. I am sure there will be 500 more posts below this one. OIL and GUNS create the longest threads.

   I'm glad someone finally mentioned guns. ;D It was only a matter of time before they were mentioned...guns OR Harleys of course. Oil, guns and Harleys.. the troika of long threads were not much is resolved. That being said, this oil thread seems a bit calm so far...maybe something is being resolved. ;) I've been using Honda HP-4 for a while because I bought a couple of cases of it. Because of previous posts I'm thinking of trying Rotella or going to Castrol which I've used for years in my cars/trucks.

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2007, 06:08:35 PM »
It is unfortunate that oil formulations and brands are not guaranteed for the duration of their sales lfe. (subject to change without notice.)  Were that the case, any old 10-40 oil you found on counter shelves would be fine.

Caveate Emptor!

Be wary of brand loyalty.  They're in it for the mass money market, not necessarily for 30 year old engine longevity.  It is sales and marketing that run the companies, not the engineers or technicians.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2007, 06:23:55 PM »
It is sales and marketing that run the companies, not the engineers or technicians.

Hence the old saying, "You might be an engineer if... You think sales and marketing are the names of satan's children."
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2007, 06:34:42 PM »
It is sales and marketing that run the companies, not the engineers or technicians.

Hence the old saying, "You might be an engineer if... You think sales and marketing are the names of satan's children."

arn't they ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: 10w/40 engine oil.
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2007, 06:56:49 PM »
I have always used 10-40 in my bike. I have used valvoline but usually Castrol GTX. I just read here a few weeks ago about Castrol 20-50 being OK but not the 10-40 because of additives for cars. It also said the diesel oils (Rotella,Delo) are OK also (these I assume are 15-40?). I noticed a few times last summer when I was really goin balls to the wall that my clutch slipped so I am thinking I should use my last 4 qts. of GTX 10-40 in my Toyota truck's summer oil change and get me some 20-50 for the bike (when I get my oil cooler from Terry!!). So what do you guys think? Does this make sense about the additives for newer cars?
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