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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2005, 03:29:59 PM »
A pic would help a great deal. What you are describing still sounds like carb bowl overflow tubes that drain behind the engine cases, but I guess we should wait and see the pic.
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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2005, 06:06:07 PM »
I've been reading this thread from the beginning.  My heart goes out to all those well meaning guys trying to apply all they've learned from their 750, 650, 550, & 400 projects and appling it to the 350.
Fact is, there are subtle differences between models.  Unless you've seen or worked on these, it's a guess, albeit an educated one.

No, I haven't worked on any 350's either.  But, I too am well meaning.  AND, I do have an old clymer manual printed in 1975.  On Page 100 they have an exploded diagram of the cb350F carburetors.  Assuming Suke's bike is stock, I see 7 hoses going to them.  4 at the very bottom of the carbs are the bowl overflow hoses.  3 angle upwards and are between carbs 2&3.  1 of these is the fuel inlet from the tank petcock, possibly larger than the others.  The other two are carburetor bowl vents, that eventually route to the same place as the carb bowl over flow hoses.

Having said all that, I really think you ought to follow Linda's advice.  Drain carb bowls, if chunky bits come out, work back to the source, etc.  Keep it simple until you are forced to do something more involved.  DON'T remove carb bowls or overhaul carbs until there is clearly no other option.  No, it's not particularly difficult.  But, neither is flying a plane after proper training.  You have a running bike that needs a bit of attention.  Don't overhaul every bit of the bike for one small problem.

Now, I think, it's your turn to pick up a tool and actually touch the bike with it.  The screwdriver you use must fit and fill the length and width of the slot.  If what you have doesn't do that, you need to get another tool. Or, risk mucking up the slot in the screw head.  I find that gunsmith screwdrivers preserve sloted heads the best. These aren't taper grounds tips that cam out of the slot, but flat ground, that transfer torque to the entire depth of the screw head slot.   While I don't use them all, all the time, I must have 50 straight slot screwdrivers, or driver tips, I've collected over the years.  It's rare that I bugger up a screw head.  When, I do it's usually because I was too lazy to go and get the right one.

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2005, 06:44:22 PM »
TwoTired:

Thanks for the info on screwdrivers...I always wondered why I had such an awful time mucking up screws...now I know!

I am presuming I can get "gunsmith screwdrivers" at a gunsmith shop?  I don't think I've EVER had a screwdriver that fit correctly!  So today I learned another goodie!

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2005, 03:20:14 PM »
Hi all,
First, I would sincerely like to thank everyone for taking the time to help explain this process to me, and trying to help me out. This site is so awesome, and I think it's great that there are so many people willing to educate others. So, thanks.

I finally started this "project" and unfortunately it didn't go as I hoped. I drained all the bowls and didn't find much sediment in there really. I didn't see any rust, and there was just a very slight amount of some sort of debris, but nothing major. I then tried starting the bike up and it immediately started leaking fuel again, just as it was before. Too bad, because it's so nice out today and I really wanted to go for a ride. It then died on me shortly after starting it. I tried starting it several more times but it would start. Finally, it started again but  died a few short moments later. I tried giving it a lot of throttle and that didn't help and then I tried closing the choke thinking the engine was just cold, and it immediately died.

I unfortunately left my Clymer manual at my office so I won't be able to look at it until Monday again. Attached is a pic of where I am at right now. I have no idea what "pin" I am looking for to measure the floats against and got pretty confused looking at what I just unscrewed...and possibly screwed up.

Do you think this problem will be fixed by adjusting the float height?

Also, I was wrong when I said the tubes where coming from the fuel tank on my bike. You guys were right, they are the overflow tubes.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as to what my next step should be. My bike is now leaking fuel, plus it now won't start either. Can you hear me screaming all the way from Chicago?! Thanks again for all your help, and hope you are having a good weekend.

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2005, 07:30:45 PM »
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there was just a very slight amount of some sort of debris, but nothing major.

Well, there shouldn't be any debris in them at all. This suggests its coming from the tank. Consider draining it and taking a good look around inside with a flashlight, probably could benefit from a good cleaning at the very least. I agree generally with earlier suggestions of don't try doing more than is necessary. But it's a rare old bike that wouldn't benefit from a good carb cleaning. Sounds daunting, it did to me, but it really isn't too bad. Sounds to me (the continued leaking) is either sticking floats and/or sticking float valves. Some of that 'debris' may be holding a float valve open, hense the leaking. Use the manual and check the FAQ's and other site references to carb cleaning, there is a ton of info. available on it. There's a reason for so much information if you get my drift.  ;)
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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2005, 06:12:04 PM »
I could use some advice here, '79 650.  In the past three weeks I removed and completely cleaned my carbs.  Everything was working fine, and I finally balanced the carbs with a manometer.  The 650 was running like a champ, lots of power.  I was very happy unit today.  I went out after a lunch ride to see a large pool of gas under the bike.  I determined that the float in #2 was not shutting off gas flow and gas just kept flowing out through the float bowl drain hose.

I dropped the float bowl off carb #1 to get at #2 and removed that float bowl.  I removed the float and cleaned it off, never did see the microscopic culprit.  The mechanism works.  But, when I reattach the float I am getting no fuel in the bowl.  I even removed the bowl drain screw just to see if gas would come out.  Nothing. I tried removing and reattaching the bowl 5 times.  The other carbs are getting gas just fine.  I think the float is getting hung up on something.  I have been trying to avoid removing the carbs again sinse I just got  the thing back on the road.

So, any tips on how to reinstall the float bowl with hanging up the float?  Or is carb removal needed? 

PS The tank is clean and the fuel filter has been cleaned.  No, I did not have an inline filter in place, but I'm getting one now.

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2005, 07:12:04 PM »
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I determined that the float in #2 was not shutting off gas flow and gas just kept flowing out through the float bowl drain hose.

When you were in there cleaning, etc. did you notice if all the floats, particularly #2 were pivoting/swinging freely? Any chance the hinge pin is slightly bent or pivot posts are out of alignment?
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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2005, 06:09:15 AM »
When you were in there cleaning, etc. did you notice if all the floats, particularly #2 were pivoting/swinging freely? Any chance the hinge pin is slightly bent or pivot posts are out of alignment?
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They all seemed to be moving freely when I rebuilt the carbs.  The floats were working fine for about 2 weeks before this happened.  I am leaning toward pulling the carbs off because the last thing I want to do is bend up the tangs or pins while working upside down in a tight space.

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2005, 06:16:29 AM »
Much as I hate/hated working on the damn things, that was the reason I always removed them as well.
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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2005, 06:35:15 AM »
is the float hanging up on the bowl gasket,had that problem myself
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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2005, 12:08:41 PM »
It might be the gasket.  I cannot tell exactly since it is the #2 carb. 

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2005, 08:24:20 AM »
I am posting this so that others may learn from my stupid oversight.  :-[ I was installing the float upside down thereby causing the fuel to not flow.  I guess in the excitment and with the carbs upside down relative to how they look on the bench, I just did the dumbest thing. 

At least I should be able to avoid complete carb removal. :D

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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2005, 08:35:45 AM »
vatch,been there,done that
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Re: Newbie needs help w/ checking float bowls
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2005, 06:07:24 PM »
That was it.  She's back on the road and running fine. :D