Topic: Vermont title - no longer... BUT WAIT ! GOOD NEWS

[johans]

I just confirmed ( from another poster ) that vt. no longer will supply a title from an out of state bike .

https://dmv.vermont.gov/tax-title/vehicle-title


thanks vermont . at least we got one out of them...

[carnivorous chicken]

Vermont never issued titles for bikes, but registrations and plates. You can take the VT registration and plate to a state that does issue titles, and get a title that way. This came up on another forum as well, but the system is still the same and you can still register bikes in VT.

[johans]

chicken - lets hope your right . When i got a "registration & plates " for a 78K you did have to run it for a year or 2 before "titling" it in another state ( states that allow that ) . The wording on their website now ,which i know was not there when i " registered " the bike a few years back was not there . I will call vermont dmv monday morning to clarify for all .

[Kelly E]

I have always wondered why so many people lose the titles to their bikes? It doesn't happen nearly as much with cars.

[Kelly E]

chicken - lets hope your right . When i got a "registration & plates " for a 78K you did have to run it for a year or 2 before "titling" it in another state ( states that allow that ) . The wording on their website now ,which i know was not there when i " registered " the bike a few years back was not there . I will call vermont dmv monday morning to clarify for all .

Washington state is the same way about giving a drivers license to illegals. Now your NY drivers license will not be accepted by the TSA to board a plane. You will have to get an enhanced drivers license or a passport.

[johans]

from another poster :  VTCbike750


Vermont has different "Branch Locations" run by a Head Inspector. In my case I had to contact the South Burlington Head Inspector because local officer wouldn't/couldn't verify my title (wasn't 17 digits long).  He's a nice guy, rides BMWs.

All forms still go to the Montpelier main office. Unfortunately I think its a loop hole they are closing.

[beemerbum]

chicken - lets hope your right . When i got a "registration & plates " for a 78K you did have to run it for a year or 2 before "titling" it in another state ( states that allow that ) . The wording on their website now ,which i know was not there when i " registered " the bike a few years back was not there . I will call vermont dmv monday morning to clarify for all .

Same here on the Left Coast

[sixthwisconsin]

If you know someone in Michigan, they make it pretty easy to title a bike if its over 10 years old. It does have to be an instate transaction though. I have a son in law there that helped me out.

Form tr-205

[seanbarney41]

If you know someone in Michigan, they make it pretty easy to title a bike if its over 10 years old. It does have to be an instate transaction though. I have a son in law there that helped me out.

Form tr-205

wow...this form has not been available for several years.  This is a relatively new development here in Michigan.

[sixthwisconsin]

If you know someone in Michigan, they make it pretty easy to title a bike if its over 10 years old. It does have to be an instate transaction though. I have a son in law there that helped me out.

Form tr-205

wow...this form has not been available for several years.  This is a relatively new development here in Michigan.

Looks like you're going to make lots of new friends...!!

[VTCBike750]

Vermont never issued titles for bikes, but registrations and plates. You can take the VT registration and plate to a state that does issue titles, and get a title that way. This came up on another forum as well, but the system is still the same and you can still register bikes in VT.

Can you still register a vehicle in Vermont as a Non-resident? Honestly I dont know. I know for a fact VT state residency is required to get a title.

Completely incorrect. You need and will be issued a title for any vehicle 15 years old or newer in Vermont, including motorcycles.

You can get a title for an older vehicle. I did for my 72 before I left and it made getting a Virginia Title easy. I have a 93 Nighthawk that was registered and without a title, that took a considerable amount of time at the DMV in Virginia, took 3 additional supervisors, and was told it may not happen.  It eventually did, but it was a PITA. I was even a VT resident applying for VA residency, which helped. I was subject to VT DMV law, which VA looked up. I also had the original bill of sale and original registration forms from VT, apparently that made all the difference. I

[VTCBike750]

from another poster :  VTCbike750

Vermont has different "Branch Locations" run by a Head Inspector. In my case I had to contact the South Burlington Head Inspector because local officer wouldn't/couldn't verify my title (wasn't 17 digits long).  He's a nice guy, rides BMWs.

All forms still go to the Montpelier main office. Unfortunately I think its a loop hole they are closing.

The loop hole they are trying to close is Non-residents obtaining VT titles (I have no idea about just vehicle registration). When I titled my 72, 8 months ago, the head inspector made sure I was a Vermont resident.

[carnivorous chicken]

Vermont never issued titles for bikes, but registrations and plates. You can take the VT registration and plate to a state that does issue titles, and get a title that way. This came up on another forum as well, but the system is still the same and you can still register bikes in VT.

Completely incorrect. You need and will be issued a title for any vehicle 15 years old or newer in Vermont, including motorcycles.

You can get a title for an older vehicle. I did for my 72 before I left and it made getting a Virginia Title easy. I have a 93 Nighthawk that was registered and without a title, that took a considerable amount of time at the DMV in Virginia, took 3 additional supervisors, and was told it may not happen.  It eventually did, but it was a PITA. I was even a VT resident applying for VA residency, which helped. I was subject to VT DMV law, which VA looked up. I also had the original bill of sale and original registration forms from VT, apparently that made all the difference. I

Five years ago, the last time I did it, it was correct. I got registrations for two 350cc bikes I bought without titles, one in MA, one in RI. I was living in MA, and was able to get VT registrations using my MA address. When the VT registrations ran out, I went to the MA RMV and got titles.

If VT is requiring a person to be a resident, then that is new. But VT did no issue titles for old bikes. This fact is what made it legitimate to go to a DMV in another state with just a registration and get a title from a state that issued titles.

[VTCBike750]

As a resident you can apply for a title for an exempt vehicle. That's what I did for my 72 750 before moving without a problem. Still unsure if you can register an old vehicle as an out of state resident, but the registration form asks for your VT drivers license number.

[Alan F.]

Yes the form does have a spot for that I agree. But in my research I've read of people putting their 'other than VT' license number there noting what state, or writing N/A, or just leaving it blank and everything going smoothly.
I will likely be going this route for a pair of frames that I've acquired legally, they are under 300cc and over 15 years old so it should be as simple as can be to register them in VT and subsequently title them in MA.

[BigJimG]

If you know someone in Michigan, they make it pretty easy to title a bike if its over 10 years old. It does have to be an instate transaction though. I have a son in law there that helped me out.

Form tr-205

wow...this form has not been available for several years.  This is a relatively new development here in Michigan.

Yeah, I've never used it, but a co-worker has used the tr-205 many times.  It is extremely easy on an off-road only bike.  You'll get a little more scrutiny on a road bike, but do-able.  Go to a more rural SOS, preferably one above the "shotgun line"  as they tend to be a little more laid back and definitely less busy.  Have the form filled out, with a copy of the instructions, and a bill of sale.

Good luck, It's definitely worth the hassle.

[my name is nobody]

https://dmv.vermont.gov/faq#t48n631



scroll down to registration and read ALL requirements. Looks like the door is still open?

[Scott S]

 Before anyone asks: I modified a few posts.

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[VTCBike750]

https://dmv.vermont.gov/faq#t48n631

scroll down to registration and read ALL requirements. Looks like the door is still open?

Well it looks like your still allowed to register as a non-Vermont resident.

[my name is nobody]

https://dmv.vermont.gov/faq#t43n631  In FAQ, you have to scroll wayyy down, in alphabetical order, to the "title" section and it'll tell you what you need to obtain a title for a vehicle older than 15 years. Our favorite question is answered there as far as I interpret it(?) Sorry, I should've specified/posted this  earlier.

after reading this, it STILL looks like it's possible...

[johans]

Ok , so i just got off the phone with the commissioners office in the great state of Vermont ( is it ok that i say that ?? ) . The very nice woman said that their out of state ( non - resident ) 's can still get a " registration & plates " . She asked what size and i said 750- 900 . I have a 78 750F model and a 85 Kawasaki ( is it ok that i say that on a Honda board ?? )  KZ900 that need that process . She said that anything over 500 cc is good .

Thank GOD ( is it ok to say that ?? ) i don't have to go on a 8 Hour line at ny dmv , they appear to be backed up for some reason  ...


Hope i've been of some help to someone out there -

[VTCBike750]

Ok , so i just got off the phone with the commissioners office in the great state of Vermont ( is it ok that i say that ?? ) . The very nice woman said that their out of state ( non - resident ) 's can still get a " registration & plates " . She asked what size and i said 750- 900 . I have a 78 750F model and a 85 Kawasaki ( is it ok that i say that on a Honda board ?? )  KZ900 that need that process . She said that anything over 500 cc is good .

Thank GOD ( is it ok to say that ?? ) i don't have to go on a 8 Hour line at ny dmv , they appear to be backed up for some reason  ...


Hope i've been of some help to someone out there -

That's great news! They'd accept being called the great state of Vermont. In my time there I found most officials very nice.

Here's a question. How would another State, one that requires a title, accept an resident trying to title a motorcycle with a Vermont Registration? In my experience it was not well received in Virginia.

[johans]

That's correct , as per one of my last post there is a disparity as which states will honor a VT registration applicable to a " new " title being issued . I will follow up with a list of states asap for everyone on the board .

[Don R]

 Do they require you to pay sales tax?

[VTCBike750]

Do they require you to pay sales tax?

I would assume. And its not what you paid, its what they deem the vehicle valued at. KBB, NADA, or your bill of sale, which ever is higher.

[grcamna2]

Do they require you to pay sales tax?

I would assume. And its not what you paid, its what they deem the vehicle valued at. KBB, NADA, or your bill of sale, which ever is higher.

Yes,
I did the VT. registration online from out of state and I claimed low book value for my Honda which I purchased from another state(the original paper work was gone which is why I got such a great deal)and the State of Vt. accepted my tax payment.They do require you to pay sales tax..

[Don R]

 I wouldn't mind tax on what I paid or low book value.  High book value on a K0 might be a deal breaker. lol. 

[Alan F.]

I understand the sales tax is 6% and the minimum bike value is $500

[grcamna2]

I understand the sales tax is 6% and the minimum bike value is $500

That sounds about right,I did the Vt. reg back in 2016'.I thought it was a great deal to get a vintage bike back into the System.That was the only option I knew of at the time and it worked.
I bought an 82' GS450 and a little 82' CB125 from a seller in Mi. in 2018'. He is experienced at finding low priced Japanese bikes and having no problem with going to the Mi. Secretary of State(their name for the DMV)and using a Bill of Sale to apply for titles.I recd. Mi. titles for both of them. The Detroit,Mi. area has lots of vintage Japanese motorcycles sitting abandoned on properties(and in garages/out buildings) of former autoworkers,where they left town and this man spends most of his time scanning CL looking for old bikes,most of them rusty..

[Mitchm114]

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to ask a follow up.

I'm considering going this route to get the Vermont Reg and plates for my CB550 I purchased from a friend who lost the title. The website tells me that I need a visual VIN verification since my bike is above 550cc.

Has anyone run into this issue? Do they require that or is it waived for out of state residents or based on age of vehicle?

[Alan F.]

500cc and above requires it. It's a form that can be filled out by local law enforcement.

But if it's your friend that lost the title, you can probably just file for a replacement Title copy, it'll be cheaper and it'll get mailed to your friend. Then you'll have a good Title to transfer ownership with.

[grcamna2]

I know this is an old post, but I wanted to ask a follow up.

I'm considering going this route to get the Vermont Reg and plates for my CB550 I purchased from a friend who lost the title. The website tells me that I need a visual VIN verification since my bike is above 550cc.

Has anyone run into this issue? Do they require that or is it waived for out of state residents or based on age of vehicle?

I haven't run into that but I would call the phone number for Vt. DMV, even if it takes many different tries at all different times to confirm by phone.Have their DMV forms printed-out and in front of you when you call,keep trying to confirm.I needed to just confirm on the out-of-state thing,it was a couple days before a live person answered,but they did,and answered me in a courteous way. 
A visual verification is easy,just call your local Police,they'll send an officer over to look at the frame number,sign a form:your 'good to go' 

[Bankerdanny]

500cc and above requires it. It's a form that can be filled out by local law enforcement.

But if it's your friend that lost the title, you can probably just file for a replacement Title copy, it'll be cheaper and it'll get mailed to your friend. Then you'll have a good Title to transfer ownership with.

Only if his friend had transferred the title. I have bought several bikes that were projects given up on by others who then gave me the title still in the name of the owner before the seller. Sometimes the project gets stalled for a long time and the title gets lost and the person you are buying it from isn't the registered owner.

[Maraakate]

VT loophole still works.  Yes, VT never issued a title; but you will still get registration and plates.  I sent my forms back in late March and got them in mid April.  It got sent back once because the tax was incorrect.  Make sure you uses the NADA value and attach a printout of the NADA value.

From here, it depends on your state/insurance, some states/insurance will let you ride with the VT plates.  Otherwise, you will have to go to your DMV or Notary and have them make a title.  I live in PA and it seems like out here they don't care.  Nobody has stopped me, but if they do then I will go to the notary and get it taken care of.

[Alan F.]

Only if his friend had transferred the title. I have bought several bikes that were projects given up on by others who then gave me the title still in the name of the owner before the seller. Sometimes the project gets stalled for a long time and the title gets lost and the person you are buying it from isn't the registered owner.

Right, I've got 2 like that at the moment