Author Topic: 1970 Dick Mann bike (Read 4594 times)

kerryb · « **on:** March 06, 2020, 03:42:52 PM »

Stopped by the Honda factory tent at Daytona speedway today. After seeing this bike and reading the sign, I asked if it was the real deal...she said "yes, that's the real deal" sign said 1970 cb750 raced by Dick Mann.

...pics in a few minutes...

CR750 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2020, 11:42:24 PM »

It must be... Only Dick Mann could have ridden it upside down to victory.

Fairing is not correct, -exhaust, -shifter...stock forks, cooking the battery

etc. etc...a replica.

turboguzzi · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2020, 01:39:09 AM »

with two bolt fork axle caps.... yes, it must be the real thing

gotta love the safety wiring for the fork drain plug and the green / blue cables from the battery, held with ties on the frame tubes...

gschuld · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2020, 04:17:06 AM »

Yes,

The standard swingarm and Koni shocks aren’t too obvious too.🙄. Looks like Diecast CR carbs too.

Nice looking replica, but far from an authentic Honda Works Racing Type.

George

Stev-o · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2020, 10:04:11 AM »

For those that dont know, Dick Mann won the 1970 Daytona 200 50 years ago on this bike...

Heres a good write up of the qualifying and race...

https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/blogs/dick-manns-1970-daytona-200-victory-mann-machine/

754 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2020, 01:08:42 PM »

Did the Mann bike have thinned fork tubes between the triple trees ?

gschuld · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2020, 02:23:10 PM »

Yes. Reportedly thinned from 36mm OD. Chromed titanium mated to magnesium 4 boo lowers. Those are factory K0 2 bolt aluminum lowers. Kit bike type stuff. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

George

Don R · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2020, 10:26:17 AM »

Honda apparently has no idea that there are people that care or are aware about the correctness of a display. A lot of famous race vehicles morph into the next version multiple times and are eventually lost to us.
I owned an early 60's dragster that went 191mph with a blown gas Chevrolet. (It was written in the paint underneath the latest paint job) I never found the history for sure, The next owner ended up destroying all of the original parts.

kerryb · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2020, 06:51:41 PM »

More pics

754 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2020, 06:55:12 PM »

Those are 71 and 72 fork lowers. Came out mid 71..
Someone is misrepresenting, in Canada we call that bull#$%*ting..

kerryb · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2020, 07:03:14 PM »

I wonder if the genuine bike had rims labeled "spain"?

Tintop · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2020, 05:18:06 AM »

Quote from: kerryb on March 10, 2020, 07:03:14 PM

I wonder if the genuine bike had rims labeled "spain"?

Either that or Italy, as both Akront & Borranni made shouldered rims in period like on the Mann bike.

napoleonb · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2020, 05:44:57 AM »

The kit bikes and all other period Honda racers used DID's as far as I know

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2020, 06:25:02 PM »

I'm sorry Kerryb but that is not the Dick Mann bike or one of the other two that raced at Daytona.
It's not even a good replica. Sorry mate.

Sam.

Old Scrambler · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2020, 04:10:37 PM »

It looks like the same bike that HONDA displayed at VMD last July...........The honchos said it has 'some' original race parts on it, but fully disclosed it was a replica for show only. I took careful pics of the oil tank.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2020, 04:48:24 PM »

Quote from: Old Scrambler on March 16, 2020, 04:10:37 PM

It looks like the same bike that HONDA displayed at VMD last July...........The honchos said it has 'some' original race parts on it, but fully disclosed it was a replica for show only. I took careful pics of the oil tank.

Dennis, it's not even a close replica.
There are plenty of pics online of the bikes at Daytona to compare it with.
Frame, forks, seat, rear shocks, fairing and exhaust are all different.

Sam.

754 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2020, 04:51:44 PM »

People speak in glowing terms if their replicas, and second or third hand it get more contorted. So looks pretty much like the original ,soon becomes I thinks it's the original.. the woman you talked to just really does not know , I am thinking.
Nice bike though..

turboguzzi · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2020, 10:24:17 PM »

replica didnt stay there long...
https://www.roadracingworld.com/news/daytona-postponed-until-october-updated/

bwaller · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2020, 06:05:05 AM »

I think if there were any of the original Daytona racebikes or parts left, they are buried deep on Oak Island.

Tintop · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2020, 10:51:56 AM »

Quote from: bwaller on March 17, 2020, 06:05:05 AM

I think if there were any of the original Daytona racebikes or parts left, they are buried deep on Oak Island.

They did find some cylindrical objects, might be those missing 4 bolt forks.

NickO · « **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2020, 11:26:18 AM »

The only way you'll ever end-up with a genuine race bike is if you put it straight into the van after the end of a race.

MRieck · « **Reply #21 on:** March 19, 2020, 12:51:55 PM »

Quote from: NickO on March 19, 2020, 11:26:18 AM

The only way you'll ever end-up with a genuine race bike is if you put it straight into the van after the end of a race.

Gospel right there.

turboguzzi · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2020, 06:22:14 AM »

Quote from: NickO on March 19, 2020, 11:26:18 AM

The only way you'll ever end-up with a genuine race bike is if you put it straight into the van after the end of a race.

thats what i do all the time

albeit in my case it's into my 48ft motorhome

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2020, 08:18:18 AM »

Quote from: Old Scrambler on March 16, 2020, 04:10:37 PM

It looks like the same bike that HONDA displayed at VMD last July...........The honchos said it has 'some' original race parts on it, but fully disclosed it was a replica for show only. I took careful pics of the oil tank.

Exactly. I verify this being there at the moment.

bwaller · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2020, 08:56:47 AM »

Holy crap TG, no flies on you!

754 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2020, 12:15:58 PM »

That is glamping..
Actually I was at a big roadrace, a while back in the US, and several of our members were there. And they had similar accomodations.... and to be honest.. I felt a bit out of place..
But the good part, they had CR replicas, one or two and were flogging the piss out of them..

One thing about race bikes the constantly change, like 2 months after Daytona, the bike may have had different components. And when not in use, parts get borrowed a lot.l

simon#42 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2020, 03:49:34 AM »

Quote from: bwaller on March 20, 2020, 08:56:47 AM

Holy crap TG, no flies on you!

dont believe that for one minute brent , a friend of mine in italy has seen him transporting the race bike on a vespa with a side car !

Tintop · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2020, 05:10:16 AM »

Quote from: simon#42 on March 21, 2020, 03:49:34 AM

Quote from: bwaller on March 20, 2020, 08:56:47 AM
Holy crap TG, no flies on you!

dont believe that for one minute brent , a friend of mine in italy has seen him transporting the race bike on a vespa with a side car !

bwaller · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2020, 06:57:17 AM »

TG may have acquired that beauty for his comfort, I hope so for his sake! Hopefully he's safe & comfortable in it right now.

bwaller · « **Reply #29 on:** March 21, 2020, 08:00:03 AM »

Frank, I finally googled "glamping"

That is indeed what it is!

We have a 28 foot Toyhauler we bought used for the 4 of us to have some comfort at race tracks. It would be cheaper to rent motel rooms, but to live the experience of racing and partake of the pits after hours is worth every penny.

To be completely honest though these trailed things we tow around are close to junk. They leak and rot walls & floors in no time. Built of press wood and cardboard, and to effect repairs is time consuming and expensive. Ours is in for repair right now....

Our travelling race club has outgrown some tracks because of all these contraptions, believe it or not.

turboguzzi · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2020, 12:43:39 PM »

my financial advisors asked me to cut down on expenses for this period so going back to this, literally speaking ...

Tintop · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2020, 03:40:23 PM »

I remember going to a CanAm race @ Mosport, lots of the McLarens & Lolas were on single axle trailers. Not to mention Jim Hall's Chaparral.

scunny · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2020, 04:39:02 PM »

I've sat in a few F5000 McLaren cars, not much room in there.

NickO · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2020, 01:38:20 PM »

Quote from: MRieck on March 19, 2020, 12:51:55 PM

Quote from: NickO on March 19, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
The only way you'll ever end-up with a genuine race bike is if you put it straight into the van after the end of a race.
Gospel right there.

Honestly in all the 20 years I've been helping a buddy at the Isle of Man, the number of times the bike has gone from one practice session to the next unmodified is zero.

HondaMan · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2020, 03:06:36 PM »

Quote from: 754 on March 20, 2020, 12:15:58 PM

That is glamping..
Actually I was at a big roadrace, a while back in the US, and several of our members were there. And they had similar accomodations.... and to be honest.. I felt a bit out of place..
But the good part, they had CR replicas, one or two and were flogging the piss out of them..

One thing about race bikes the constantly change, like 2 months after Daytona, the bike may have had different components. And when not in use, parts get borrowed a lot.l

That was my experience, back in the day, too. I probably raced 2 races on the bike(s) without changing SOMETHING that I was not happy with, or found better, lighter, stronger, etc.

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Author Topic: 1970 Dick Mann bike (Read 4594 times)