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Tires for my '78 CB750F
« on: February 08, 2007, 11:49:42 AM »
Hi,


I'm looking for any input from folks with similar bikes to see what tires they're running on their rides.

Searching the forum I couldn't find any specific info and would love some feedback from those with experience on different tires.

My front tire is original (Yikes!), hard as cement, and doesn't look like it would stick to a hot fry pan...

Thanks !!!
« Last Edit: February 08, 2007, 11:55:02 AM by UnCrash »
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 12:23:02 PM »
Honda specified 3.25-19 for the front and 4.00-18 rear for the 78F. 100/90-19 and 110/90-18s are close to the original sizes.    http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-tires/motorcycle-tires.htm

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 12:34:09 PM »
Ya can actually get a 120 on the back rim without clearance issues or rim size issues.

Me? I like the dunlop 501's
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 12:34:54 PM »
   I like my Dunlop GT501's. Same bike as yours.

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2007, 12:38:33 PM »
I also like the Dunlops - very good tire and have them on my K4.  However on bike #2 (cafe K2) I have a new Bridgestone BT45 on the front and looking for the same for the rear - can you get a (tubed) BT45 120/90/19?

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2007, 12:48:42 PM »
on my K8 I am running a 110/90 front and a 130/90 rear. No clearance issues there at all. Little tight under the front fender but never had anything lodge in there and it looks great.

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2007, 12:55:09 PM »
Superb feedback.

Thanks mates!

Mick are you running a 120 rear?

 
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Eldar wrote:  on my K8 I am running a 110/90 front and a 130/90 rear.

Holy smokes,,,,,, does bigger mean better or  just looks badder?   I wonder if I could run a 130 ???

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2007, 01:16:19 PM »
Yeah but 130 is about 2 sizes too big for the rim.

All I've been brave enough to run is 1 size over.

As for the battleaxes I hear good things about them. Just like the dunlop's you will need a tube which derates the slightly speed wise. Course your not going 145+ mph on that K8 anyways.
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2007, 01:24:06 PM »
I'm running the 110/130 setup on my K7 as well...the Bridgestone spitfires...
Haven't put a lot of miles on them (about 500)...but they ride very nice...much more responsive that the original tires.
They are a bit big for the rim...but haven't noticed any issues with that.

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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2007, 01:27:38 PM »
remember ghost, it is a K8 and they had a larger rear rim. The 130 is not too big at all. Corners nice and ride is good, even better 2up. Even at the fron of the swingarm where there is the least amount of room, I still have .5 inches on both sides. Plenty of clearance.

The k2-4 had a 4 inch rim and the k8 has a 4.5. Does not sound like much but the tire works just fine.

As for speed, no stock K will do 145 ;) however, I am sure this would do as good as any other K riding smaller tires!
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2007, 02:21:19 PM »
check out bikebandit.com, super cheap tires.  Dunlop 501's for $90 a piece!

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2007, 03:01:41 PM »
Superb feedback.

Thanks mates!

Mick are you running a 120 rear?

 
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Eldar wrote:  on my K8 I am running a 110/90 front and a 130/90 rear.

Holy smokes,,,,,, does bigger mean better or  just looks badder?   I wonder if I could run a 130 ???

Cheers,

Ben

  Yup, a 120 rear...
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2007, 03:40:10 PM »
So, I went out and measured the rear rim width of my 77 CB750F  Since the tire is still mounted, I could only get the outside dimension of 2.7 inches.  Subtract about 1/2 inch for both sides of the rim and you get a 2.2 inch bead width for the tire seating carcass.  I think the standard size is actually 2.15 inches.

Whatever tire you get must be engineered to perform with this size rim.  (Unless, of course, you change the rim width size.)

According to Dunlop, the rim width for a GT501 in a 130 size should be 3.00 inches. The 120 should have a 2.50 inch rim width.  So, these tires are not a proper fit on this rim.  I couldn't find any 501 tires that would fit properly on the 750 F stock rim.  However, the K70 front 3.25/19 and the K81 TT100 rear do specify fitment onto 2.15 rims and should work well on the 750F if you want the Dunlop brand.

Then I looked at the Bridgstone site for the BT45 18 inch tires.  A 130/80 and the 120 sizes both require a 2.50-3.00 rim width.  The 110 size does specify fitment onto a 2.15 rim, though. So, this size should work properly on the stock rear 750F rim.

My current favorites are Metzler tires.  Alas, their web site has obscurred or eliminated the rim width specs. that I once found there.  However, they do have the Lasertec 3.25 19 front which most certainly will fit your rim. And then there is the ME77 4.10 18 rear that I'm pretty confident will work on your rims properly, too.

Why is is rim width important?  Sidewall support and tire tread crown shape.  Pinching the tire bead together at the rim seat makes the tread arch more pronounced.  If you run a lower tire pressure to recover the designed contact patch, then the side wall stiffness is poor as the rim support is inward, instead of under the sidewall.  This gives you the squirmy butt feel a low tire would give.  If you raise the tire pressure to stiffen the sidewall, this makes the tread crown more pronounced, and the tread wears rapidly in the center.  Overall tire mileage diminishes, and handling issues develop as tire flattens the tread crown through wear.  When the oversize tires are new, there are no feel problems, as the tread is still nicely arched. Later the issues creep in.

New tires always seem to feel better than the old tires.  And, just because there is enough clearance within the fenders does not mean the tire fits properly, though this is an important consideration.  Personally I want tires that will work well throughout their operational life.  I've had oversize tires on my bike (120s on a 1.75 or 2 inch rim both Dunlops and Metzlers) that were brilliant when new but wore rapidly in the tread center and handled ever poorly as they wore down (lots of added counter steer leaned over and head shake when upright, both cured with a new tire).

I would prefer to take the manufacturers recommendation for tire fitment, over some people's advise.  Sometimes, they (the manufacturer) actually knows more about the products they offer than buyers and users.

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2007, 04:00:08 PM »
Superb responses  :o

This forum rocks!

Thanks TwoTired.   I've read some of your other posts on the forum and you're......thorough.  Very thorough.  Your information is a tremendous asset to this site.

So I'll sleep on it tonight.  The analytical rational argument for manufacturer specification tires or the beefier the better, looks cool, runs great when fresh tires...

I'm the rational analytical type // that will code for beer... but this bike is all about passion...

I'll have sweet dreams.

Cheers mates you're all the best!

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2007, 04:09:42 PM »
Two Tired is correct, more sometimes less. I did go up a size it works well.  Unless you get some really cheapie tire like chen sin, they are all good. I am using Battleaxes and I like them, but I may like another just as much. Tire posts along with Oil, guns usually bring out the best and worst in the Club.

I did find that I needed to adjust my tire pressures since the newer tires have different sidewalls and tread patterns than those that came with the bike. In my case at pressure listed on the back fender, I had a steering wobble below 40Mph, I went up 2lbs and it disappeared. In fact if I am close to stock pressures the bike feels sloppy. Ride your bike on whatever new tires you get and enjoy it !     
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2007, 04:24:04 PM »
TwoTired,
Speaking of new tire pressures and the Honda recommendations for the OEM tires, I have a question for you.
Taking your advise posted in other topics regarding new rubber for a 77 CB550F,
I am going to buy a Metzeler Lazertec 3.25H-19 Front tire and ME77R 4.00HB-18 Rear tire
#1-Are these the right tires? Especially the Rear?
#2-What PSI do you run your set-up with? Stock Honda reccomended PSI, or have you found a better pressure to run at?
Should I take this advise on dialing in tire pressure? ???
A trick to remember from Continental Tire's motorcycle tire engineer: measure your tire pressure cold, then ride for at least 10 miles until the tire is well warmed, then measure the pressure again. If it rises 2 PSI: you're spot on your required pressure. If it rises more than 2 PSI, your PSI is too low. If it does not rise 2 PSI, your PSI is too high, and your tire patch size will be reduced. When riding 2-up or heavily loaded, add 2 PSI to your "normal" PSI as a start, but check again when warmed up.

Thanks for any further info.  And sorry to hi-jack a 750F thread ;)
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2007, 04:38:56 PM »
 Don't feel you hi jacked the thread. It is a SOHC forum so all knowledge and opinions imparted benefit the Club. In my post I noted that I had to come up a few pounds with the new tires. It can be trial and error, but you will know when the bike feels good to you.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2007, 05:03:23 PM »
Jugghead,
The Metzlers you listed are the same tires I have on my 77 CB550F.  I like 'em.  The bike has the neutral handling I find so desireable in the 550. But, I only have about 500 miles on the ME 77 Rear (Probably less, as there are still some nubs poking out of the tire.)  So, I don't know about it's wear characteristics yet.  They are very close to the stock size tires, so I use the Honda tires pressures printed on the fender as a guide.  However, probably out of habit from using the oversize tires, I usually bump the rear pressure a pound or two.  But, that is also to compensate for the occasional extra passenger weight.  I use 26-28 front and 32 rear as I usually have more than 210 lbs weighing the bike down.

The advise you printed sounds reasonable.  It is well known that low tire pressures contribute to excess tire carcass heating. But, it is certainly normal for a tire to heat with use.  The more performance you demand from a tire (e.g. high speed twisties) the more it is going to heat up.  So, if your ten mile warm up is canyon carving, you can expect more than a 2 lb pressure rise.

By the way, the tire pressure printed on the bike is a cold pressure.

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2007, 05:11:32 PM »
Cheers to you!
Thanks for the info, I think I am going to go with those tires, then. Well worth the expense, I think.

I check the cold pressure, especially on my 4 wheeled vehicle, as it dramatically affects handling and gas mileage. 

Just as part of the pre-ride safety inpection on my SOHC 350F, I always check the cold pressure.  Never have checked the pressure after a 10 minute warm up, though.  might be good to do once, just for a benchmark.
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2007, 05:31:20 PM »
during my search for a sport tire that would fit my rims, i found the bridgestone battlax bt-45 and dunlop f11 both had a front rim minimum width of 2.15in while my rim is stamped 1.85.

settled on metzler lazertecs:
front is 100/90-19m, rim size of 1.85 to 2.75    rim is stamped 1.85
rear is 130/90-17m, rim size of 2.50 to 3.75    rim is stamped 2.50

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2007, 06:06:28 PM »
I put Dunlop K70's on my 1977 750F.  They look original, but use updated materials.
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2007, 06:21:16 PM »
settled on metzler lazertecs:
front is 100/90-19m, rim size of 1.85 to 2.75    rim is stamped 1.85
rear is 130/90-17m, rim size of 2.50 to 3.75    rim is stamped 2.50

Jeez, I didn't realize the rims were stamped with numbers, being on the far (wall) side of where I took my measurement earlier today.  So, I went and looked again at my 77 CB750F.  Sure enough, the front is stamped 1.85 - 19,  But the rear is stamped 2.15 - 18.  Could the 78 have changed?  So, I waded and squirmed to the back of my storage shed where the 78 750F is waiting for my attention.  And, there amongst the spiders it says 2.15 - 18 for the rear as well.  (I think I heard the bike whimper as I left, poor thing.)

I'm pretty sure my rims are the stock ones. What bike do you have that has 2.50-17?

I think you'll like the Metzlers. ;D

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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2007, 09:02:53 PM »
Well large tires can be a problem but then tire sizes vary between manufacturer. My K8 had the 110 ans 130s on it when I got it. When I had my dealer change them, they put that size back on. This dealer was sioux cycle on the strip in mandan ND. Been there for 20+ years. Now called open road honda and still on the strip.  Point is while some dealers will lie to you, smaller ones generally cant afford to. This dealer has been around for years and has been owned by the same people for years. I know some people here just cant even fathom going outside the specs set by honda THIRTY YEARS AGO. I as well as many others, realize tires are WAY different then 30 years ago. The 110/130s work very well. They are very stable, are not harsh. They deliver good traction. Hey I have never run out of traction. my tires are not pinched. They look very good and function just as good. For the 77/78, I would tell anyone to go to the 110/130 tires. The earlier bikes did have narrower rims so a 90/110 is good maybe 100/120 max.

I guess the FACT is that many here have gone larger than the stock tires and have had NOTHING but GOOD luck with them. What more do you need. Those of you that want to keep everything bone stock and never stray from what the book says, good for you. However there is no need to try and scare people if they dont see it your way. Follow what others say, look at your own needs and then make the choice. Maybe once it get above freezing and I stop hearing ice complain that it is too cold out, I will get some pics of my tires to show how well they fit. Lousy thing is that the forecast for the next 10 days does not show this happening! >:(

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2007, 10:05:51 PM »
I've posted this before, so for those who have heard it already, forgive the repetition.  On my '75 750F, I settled years ago on the Metzeler ME33 3.25 X 19 on the front and a 120/90 X 18 ME88 on the back.  Stock wheels, so I am running tubes.  I got 15,000 miles out of the last ME88 rear, and 17,000 out of the last ME33 front.  I run them down to the wear bars.   I run the front at 38 PSI and the rear at 40.  I get no cupping on the front.  Traction is good.  The ME88 is supposed to be a touring tire but traction is good enough to drag the exhaust collector on the right and the alternator cover on the left.  Leaned over beyond that, the tire is not on the road anymore.
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Re: Tires for my '78 CB750F
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2007, 11:40:53 PM »
Hi UnCrash - I've fitted Michelin Macadam MT50's to my 750F - a matching set. 120/90-18 rear and a 100/90-19 front. I have found the bike to be very surefooted and "nimble" with these tires.... compared to the Bridgestones fitted to my 550 anyhow! No complaints whatsoever. I don't know if they are available in your neck of the woods though....

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