Author Topic: no wonder it seized up! (Read 16860 times)

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #50 on:** February 16, 2007, 11:36:41 PM »

Quote from: bryanj on February 16, 2007, 04:10:13 AM

i wouldnt do it unless it was one of the last rods in the world and the engine was not going into service for more than a few hours a year--and then at WAY reduced revs/load

Geez Bryan, you and Mick live in Britain, and with your crap weather, a few hours of riding per year is the average isn't it? Problem solved!

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #51 on:** February 16, 2007, 11:43:10 PM »

Quote from: techy5025 on February 16, 2007, 03:15:02 PM

The oil catchment tray is used to feed oil through the final drive gear shaft to the auto chain
oiler. If you plug the shaft under the front sprocket and do your own chain oiling, you shouldn't
need the "tray" part. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Jim

By the time the F/F1 rolled out of the factory, the auto chain oiler was long gone. A good idea if set up properly with a good seal, but otherwise, just another pool of oil on the garage floor. Don't worry about it Mick, the Haynes manual is wrong, not your engine. Cheers, Terry.

mcpuffett · « **Reply #52 on:** February 17, 2007, 04:39:54 AM »

Cheers for your help Terry , were not all fair weather riders of here you know we manage at least a couple of Days a year of riding

, mick.

spitfire · « **Reply #53 on:** February 17, 2007, 07:27:29 AM »

Yup can't wait for that day in July when I can go out for a ride !

Cheers

Den

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #54 on:** February 17, 2007, 09:02:00 PM »

Hey Mc,

A lot of good info here for you to digest. There are multiple ways to do this as you have seen. Using the rods on your crank is not wrong, it's one of the options you have. Just depends on what you are working with. Just be sure to plastigage the bearings no matter which method you use! Since you have decided to do it this way I would suggest trying to read the rod journal size markings on your crank. This is difficult to do at best but it will help to get an initial match for the bearings provided you want to use new bearings. The lettering/numbers is scribbled/scratched on and it looks like English letters with a Japaneses accent. VERY faint usually. I just did this with my crank & rods but haven't proceeded with the actual sizing yet. My crank had J-)L- AAAAA P)L-4444. The first set J-)- AAAAA refers to the crank journal sizing and the second set P)L- 4444 refers to the rod journals. Again very difficult to ascertain. The L tells you to start on the left end of the crank to match the letters to the corresponding journal. I then took the numbers and matched them to the number I spoke of previously on the side of the rod big end. IE 4 & 2 (on my rod big end) is a "green bearing" or Honda part number 13217-300-13. This corresponds to a particular clearance. I would then get a set of green bearings for this journal and whatever matches for the other journals, insert plastigage, torque it down properly, undo it, then "read" the plastigauge to determine if the bearings fall within correct tolerances. You'd be really lucky if the new rods had the same bearing clearance designations as your old rods. If this were the case I'd probably start with the old bearings, insert plastigage, torque it all down then read the plastigage rather than order a whole new set of bearings that might need to be changed to another size, reorder more and have that much more expense for a second set. Read the plastigage and order bearings according to the clearances you get. You'll be a pro in no time. No matter which way you finally choose to use it's important to do this the right way if you want your engine to last.
Jerry

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #55 on:** February 18, 2007, 03:02:18 AM »

Quote from: mcpuffett on February 17, 2007, 04:39:54 AM

Cheers for your help Terry , were not all fair weather riders of here you know we manage at least a couple of Days a year of riding , mick.

No worries Mick, I hope you and Den and Bryan and Steve all get to take off that day in July so you can all have a decent years ride, ha ha!

I've got quite the opposite problem here in sunburnt Oz, I rode my beautiful K1 Kruiser today, it's been really hot here, 100+ degrees F for the last few days, so I took it for a ride about 5pm, (I was doing the Army Reserve thing all weekend, so couldn't get out earlier) anyway, it was so hot I only got 20 miles up the road and it felt like the bike was over-heating?

Luckily I'd just passed my favorite pub, so I limped into the carpark and let it cool down for an hour while I quaffed some fine canned Jim Beam Bourbon and Coke, and surprisingly didn't notice any further overheating on my (stangely uncoordinated) way home, ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

mcpuffett · « **Reply #56 on:** February 18, 2007, 03:56:10 AM »

Hi jerry, thanks for all the info i am slowly digesting it , i am taking my time and making sure everything is ok , cheers mick.

bryanj · « **Reply #57 on:** February 18, 2007, 04:44:26 AM »

Mick, dont forget i used to do this for a living so if you can read the info I will happilly cross reference it for you.

mcpuffett · « **Reply #58 on:** April 13, 2007, 03:02:33 PM »

Well i thought it was time i updated my rebuild & let you fellas know how i got on

, i have now finished the rebuild of my 750 engine and i am happy to report that it works

, here's some pics

mcpuffett · « **Reply #59 on:** April 13, 2007, 03:08:01 PM »

This has been my first rebuild of a 750 engine and i have learned a lot and enjoyed the experience

Gordon · « **Reply #60 on:** April 13, 2007, 03:12:35 PM »

It's always a great feeling to put something as complicated as an engine back together and have it actually work. Never gets old!

mcpuffett · « **Reply #61 on:** April 13, 2007, 03:13:20 PM »

The only special tools i used were the rotor puller and the clutch nut tool & a torque wrench

mcpuffett · « **Reply #62 on:** April 13, 2007, 03:17:35 PM »

I have only done about 35 miles so far while i iron out any issues and generally check things over

Jerry Rxman Griffin aka MuthaF'er · « **Reply #63 on:** April 13, 2007, 03:40:23 PM »

Congratulations!! (2nd time is easier still

)

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #64 on:** April 13, 2007, 06:01:56 PM »

That's a beautiful thing Mick, I always feel a lot less useless after I rebuild an engine and it actually runs, I think I should set up a "how to not feel bloody useless" workshop at the local psychiatric hospital, I can give them some of my old engines that need rebuilding, the hospital can pay me to run these classes which will help the patients regain some feelings of self-worth, while providing a cheap source of unpaid labour for "Terry Enterprises", ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

jtb · « **Reply #65 on:** April 13, 2007, 06:59:31 PM »

Great Job, Mick! Mine wouldn't start when I finished the rebuild, after the battery wore down, and I replaced it, I happened to notice the kill switch was on.

::)Turned it off, and it fired right up. 1500 miles later, it runs great. There is no greater satisfaction than having the engine you just rebuilt fire off and take you down the road.

Enjoy,
John

jtb · « **Reply #66 on:** April 13, 2007, 07:00:55 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 13, 2007, 06:01:56 PM

That's a beautiful thing Mick, I always feel a lot less useless after I rebuild an engine and it actually runs, I think I should set up a "how to not feel bloody useless" workshop at the local psychiatric hospital, I can give them some of my old engines that need rebuilding, the hospital can pay me to run these classes which will help the patients regain some feelings of self-worth, while providing a cheap source of unpaid labour for "Terry Enterprises", ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

Be careful, Terry, they may try to pay you "in kind"

ChevelleSSLS6 · « **Reply #67 on:** April 13, 2007, 07:31:46 PM »

Quote from: mcpuffett on April 13, 2007, 03:17:35 PM

I have only done about 35 miles so far while i iron out any issues and generally check things over

those bikes in the second pic are beautiful

spitfire · « **Reply #68 on:** April 15, 2007, 10:46:31 AM »

Hi Mick,
Great to see that you got it fixed up, it's a bit scary when you strip it down and look at all those bits, but very satisfying when it actually fires up and runs.

Cheers

Den

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #69 on:** April 16, 2007, 01:14:55 AM »

Quote from: jtb on April 13, 2007, 07:00:55 PM

Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 13, 2007, 06:01:56 PM
That's a beautiful thing Mick, I always feel a lot less useless after I rebuild an engine and it actually runs, I think I should set up a "how to not feel bloody useless" workshop at the local psychiatric hospital, I can give them some of my old engines that need rebuilding, the hospital can pay me to run these classes which will help the patients regain some feelings of self-worth, while providing a cheap source of unpaid labour for "Terry Enterprises", ha ha! Cheers, Terry.

Be careful, Terry, they may try to pay you "in kind"

Hey John, I just got a flashback of the lobotomy scene from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", ha ha!

mcpuffett · « **Reply #70 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:23:23 AM »

Hi Den, yeah i know what you mean

, i thought about sending it somewere to be done then thought what the hell i 'll have a go myself, i have enjoyed doing it and i have another engine waiting to be built when i find the money to do it , this one has cost me about £250 in parts , how you getting on with your F1? mick.

spitfire · « **Reply #71 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:30:25 AM »

Hi Mick,
Not much progress on the F1, I had a bout of flu in March really knocked me about, haven't been ill since the 1980's so I'm not used to it, so cold damp days in the garage have been ruled out for a while. I have got the last of my bits plated and have just about all the parts required to finish the bike but the killer will be new rims and spokes, have to save up for them ! Will post an update today on what I have done.

Cheers

Den

mcpuffett · « **Reply #72 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:35:10 AM »

I'ts an expensive hobby but at least it keeps out of mischief

, mick.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #73 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:20:33 PM »

Do you know what make those pistons are Mick, they don't look stock to me ?

Sam.

mcpuffett · « **Reply #74 on:** April 16, 2007, 02:50:21 PM »

Hi Sam, as far as i know they are standard bore f1 pistons 392's , cheers mick

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