Topic: How has your life changed?

[PeWe]

What about tourists from China? And business people visiting production sites in China?
They are welcome to travel around?
Several western companies have production over there. Car manufacturers etc.
My company had people going there and back very often.

[scottly]

Monday afternoon, I was headed to the post office when I ran into a traffic-jam!? Really, a traffic-jam on Prescott street in Humboldt AZ??? I detoured 3 or 4 blocks out of my way to get my mail, and then on the return trip stopped and asked a lady who had just joined the rear of the line what was going on. She told me they were starting school Tuesday, and had to go to the elementary school to pick up paperwork and supplies. (She was a bit pissed off about the way it was being handled, and I don't blame her, due to the length of the line of cars ahead of her.)
They were talking about in-person vs remote learning choices, but for the first quarter, it will be only on-line remote teaching here. I did read something about the schools providing meals, either delivered to bus stop locations or picked up at schools, but that was only for the local school district.
The new case numbers are declining in AZ percentage wise since restrictions were resumed, but the death toll is over 4000 now. 

[Terry in Australia]

that's awful Scott, Victoria has a population just shy of Arizona's and we're in lockdown with only 193 deaths so far. I hope your Covid-19 deaths decline faster than your population.

[jlh3rd]

the death rate in the united states is way down. New Mexico has the highest % of virus patients per hospitals at only 25%, followed by florida at 14%. There is no massive over capacity problem. Testing per capita is at an all time high in the U.S. compared to any other country. So, make a guess as to why the U.S. cases show a drastic increase.
Also, the case numbers are skewed as we know people who got in line to be tested, got tired of waiting, went home without being tested and received a notice in the mail saying they tested positive. The ohio governor just reported he tested positive one day and then negative the next day. Do you think he is the only one? Also, if your in the hospital with the virus, you get tested every day and included in the positive case number total for that day....Also, it's finally come to light that hospitals get extra money for a wuhan virus death case compared to a " normal" death......
     I can also give anecdotal stories and reports from : a P.A. son in Colorado who has seen no cases in their practice. Another son who is a doctor in the navy in North Carolina who has seen none. His wife, who is a nurse in a different hospital is not allowed overtime because they don't need her. Another daughter-in-law in Wichita,KS ., who is a nurse who also can't work extra hours .
     My girlfriend's daughter-in-law's mother got the virus months ago, basically didn't know it, but no one else came down with it in the house, nor did we. We've had get together's with the daughter-in-law over the last few months.
      The source of my info comes from Brett Delone, chief medical officer of Geisinger Medical Center , Holy Spirit Hospital, Harrisburg, Pa. Don't go by what I say on here, listen for yourself every morning Monday through Friday, 7am eastern time, WHP 580, Iheart radio........Do your own homework.

[madmtnmotors]

"Anecdotal" evidence is the equivalent of heresy AFAIC, and da-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is not a responsible policy IMHO...

[Terry in Australia]

The death rate in the US is way down? I just did some homework, there are currently 1000 CV deaths in the US per day. The US CV death toll is 160,000 right now, there are 144 days until the end of the year, so unless something miraculous happens and providing the daily rates don't rise  from the current level, expect 144000(+) more dead by years end. There are currently 70,000 new infections per day, so multiply that by 144 and presuming the infection rate doesn't rise, there will be 10 million more infected by years end for a total of 15 million. That means 1 in 20 Americans will be infected by years end. That doesn't sound like it's way down to me, I'm sorry.

[jlh3rd]

"Anecdotal" evidence is the equivalent of heresy AFAIC, and da-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is not a responsible policy IMHO...

anecdotal evidence is part of the total picture. Kinda like the Mona Lisa's eyes. Opinion as to how  anecdotal evidence plays a part is strictly just that, an opinion. That doesn't mean that it doesn't play a part.

[PeWe]

How many dies caused by not visiting a doctor?
There are other things that ends life.

[jlh3rd]

The death rate in the US is way down? I just did some homework, there are currently 1000 CV deaths in the US per day. The US CV death toll is 160,000 right now, there are 144 days until the end of the year, so unless something miraculous happens and providing the daily rates don't rise  from the current level, expect 144000(+) more dead by years end. There are currently 70,000 new infections per day, so multiply that by 144 and presuming the infection rate doesn't rise, there will be 10 million more infected by years end for a total of 15 million. That means 1 in 20 Americans will be infected by years end. That doesn't sound like it's way down to me, I'm sorry.

don't be sorry...just read the facts.

[Terry in Australia]

Your facts seem to agree with what I quoted, 1000 deaths per day at the moment, and 70,000 daily infections. What's your point?

[madmtnmotors]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/05/16/worldometer-scott-mclean-coronavirus-statistics-pkg-vpx.cnn

[PeWe]

Is there any facts available today when fake news is the new standard?

[jlh3rd]

Your facts seem to agree with what I quoted, 1000 deaths per day at the moment, and 70,000 daily infections. What's your point?

that the rate is dropping from the spring peak high. That hospitals are not overun and total case numbers and deaths are skewed.
And to counter a claim that the graph i showed is not legit ( according to which news organization?)..here's the cdc.....
and pewe is absolutely right....it's difficult for the public to get good info......nonetheless,this is what we have to work with.....

[carnivorous chicken]

The administration continues to say that there are more cases because of more testing, but the truth is that the number of new cases is outpacing the new testing. The precentage of deaths as a total of people who are infected is low in the United States, about 3%. This is the number that the administration likes to cite. But out of a total percentage of the population, that is out of every random 100,000 people, the USA ranks 8th, at 47 deaths per 100,000. That is... not so good. Nobody saw the Jonathan Swan interview? As Terry points out, the daily death toll in the US is staggering at over 1000 people a day and will lead to a huge death toll if people continue to downplay the virus and not take precautions. The USA has 1/25th of the world's people, and 1/4 of the world's C19 deaths.

As people have stated before, just because you don't know someone with C19 (I now know several, with a few relatives of friends who have died) or someone says they haven't seen any cases is not a good argument for not taking precautions or taking it seriously. There are tons of places in the USA where there were no cases -- until there were.

[jlh3rd]

understand that everyone should take it seriously, no doubt. A store asks for masks, wear it. We don't need to beat this anecdotal opinion to death, or take it personal. It's a wash ,even steven. But, nonetheless, it is part of the picture. Point/counter point. Both sides entitled to using it as a discussion point.
     I'm just on the side of the sky is not falling and it's not a death sentence.

[madmtnmotors]

it's not a death sentence.

So nobody has died from this? Wow, we really are being mislead...

[jlh3rd]

it's not a death sentence.

So nobody has died from this? Wow, we really are being mislead...

well, that's an illogical twist to a true statement.....where was that said.....that no one has died....
Is it a death sentence when you drive your car?...or contract pneumonia .....sigh...

[carnivorous chicken]

Perhaps better to say it's a roll of the dice, no? Come up snake eyes and you die. Double sixes and you're stuck with health issues for the rest of your life. Wanna roll them dice?

[RAFster122s]

The numbers are being skewed because if the hospital claims someone has COVID they get 20% more payout for treating them. The testing is highly flawed and many labs in Florida were claiming 100% infection rates. So, the real numbers aren’t out there. This thing might kill you. Masks worn by all might help, isn’t this reason enough to wear one. You would want your mom or dad or aunts and uncles to survive, or yourself...so taking precautions isn’t a high price to pay.
This thing is going to be with us for years, we need to learn to live with it and still live.

[carnivorous chicken]

The numbers are being skewed because if the hospital claims someone has COVID they get 20% more payout for treating them. The testing is highly flawed and many labs in Florida were claiming 100% infection rates. So, the real numbers aren’t out there. This thing might kill you. Masks worn by all might help, isn’t this reason enough to wear one. You would want your mom or dad or aunts and uncles to survive, or yourself...so taking precautions isn’t a high price to pay.
This thing is going to be with us for years, we need to learn to live with it and still live.

This has been widely debunked, over and over and over again. I've cited links for it, over and over and over again, on this thread. The C19 numbers in the United States, according to a consensus of health professionals and organizations, is that they numbers are much higher than are being reported due to a number of factors. It's intuitive when you think about it -- and I'm not going to rehash it here. The rumor that hospitals are inflating numbers is traced to a March 29 facebook post to conspiracy theorist Candace Owens and has been debunked -- google her. Hospitals do receive more from Medicaid for Covid patients, but that is due to the higher expenses associated with care -- respirators, for example. I've also described how the count is made eslewhere. I'm not making this up -- I'm citing the CDC and healthcare organizations.

It's incredible to me that people continue to resist wearing masks when, again, scientific consensus states that they do help. Americans seem to be the only country where a huge proportion of the people want to minimize or downplay the risk and downplay how wearing masks and taking precautions helps. As my friend posted elsehere about 250,000 maskless people storming Sturgis from all over the country, soon to return from whence they came, they want to show "how hard they freedom."

[maxheadflow]

If you are getting the info from any of the media including Owens, CNN, MSNBC you are likely getting some bias.  You are better off listening to what the practitioners, virologists, and other scientists have to say. 

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, trying to downplay this catastrophe in the US is not just stupid, it's irresponsible. Your politicians have let you down, and people are quoting the opinions of conspiracy theorists and agenda driven political morons as "fact". The rest of the world will eventually come out of this tragedy due to them taking the appropriate actions to eradicate this virus, but it will stay in the US for years, due to fools like the Sturgis crowds going home and infecting their communities. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but the only proof will be the numbers by years end and how things are looking for 2021. 

[carnivorous chicken]

If you are getting the info from any of the media including Owens, CNN, MSNBC you are likely getting some bias.  You are better off listening to what the practitioners, virologists, and other scientists have to say.

It's not my info, and it's not like the sources you cite are simply making things up and making up quotes by medical professionals.

These are reports from the CDC and elsewhere, and some are reported through the media -- such as an interview with Dr. Sally Aiken, the President of the National Association of Medical Examiners, and interviews with Dr. Anthony Fauci. These are interviews where the Drs. are quoted, not some perceived "media bias." In other words, what the "the practioners, virologists and other scientists" say is reported in various media. Choose to write it off but it's hard to inject bias when you are directly quoting someone saying "the numbers are almost certainly underreported."

I'm curious what you've seen on these media that makes you think they are biasing their reporting on C19.

[754]

Just want to add this..
 Sure it's down from the first wave,  but it appears to be rising. . Not that to me is worrisome..
 MAINLY  because everyone  had time to learn about, everyone had time to prepare... and things did get better. .
 But then folks got sloppy and complacent.....
 And now it's Increasing again.... and that is going to be a problem... and it's not a good thing to be happening right now..

BtW..I got tested today..Let me just say,  that Qtip went , where no Qtip has gone before...  they dont think I have it, just a precaution..

[BeSeeingYou]

"Anecdotal" evidence is the equivalent of heresy AFAIC, and da-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is not a responsible policy IMHO...

I tuned him out when I read, "My girlfriend's daughter-in-law's mother" that just screams reliable credible first hand source of information.