Topic: How has your life changed?

[maxheadflow]

Personally, I think that the the politicians should stay out of this and we should be listening directly to the doctors and scientists involved, preferably those that operate independent of our government.   Yes there are people not taking care to stop the spread. I'm not going to Sturgis but then I have never really cared about big gatherings.

Media Bias?

https://www.allsides.com/topics/coronavirus#gsc.tab=0

Getting out of this is going to be a balancing act.

[754]

The ones I heard about that died are still dead..
 One thing I point out to a few non believers,, if that many people are dying... from ANYTHING....in a short period... that should be troubling to most people.... i would think...

[carnivorous chicken]

Personally, I think that the the politicians should stay out of this and we should be listening directly to the doctors and scientists involved, preferably those that operate independent of our government.   Yes there are people not taking care to stop the spread. I'm not going to Sturgis but then I have never really cared about big gatherings.

Media Bias?

https://www.allsides.com/topics/coronavirus#gsc.tab=0

Getting out of this is going to be a balancing act.

Not listening to politicians is sensible.

It's an interesting site, but it basically is just a news aggregator that appears to simply call news left, center or right based on the source. The New York Times is a center-left paper, in general, but has right and hard right editorial writers. How would that get aggregated? It's in both the left (opinon) and center-left (news) categories, but what about writers like Ross Douthat? He's pretty far to the right.

What I did notice, however, was that there were some stories about the underreporting of C19 on the site...

[scottly]

March 31, stay-at-home orders were issued in AZ. May 15, the stay-at-home orders were lifted. As of June 3, there were 981 attributed deaths, which increased to 1047 by June 8, and restrictions went back into effect on bars, movie theaters, and gyms on June 29. On July 3, there were less than 10% ICU beds available. On July 9, restaurants were restricted to 50% capacity, and the death toll reached 2000. Today, the toll was 4137 deaths...   

[maxheadflow]

Personally, I think that the the politicians should stay out of this and we should be listening directly to the doctors and scientists involved, preferably those that operate independent of our government.   Yes there are people not taking care to stop the spread. I'm not going to Sturgis but then I have never really cared about big gatherings.

Media Bias?

https://www.allsides.com/topics/coronavirus#gsc.tab=0

Getting out of this is going to be a balancing act.

Not listening to politicians is sensible.

It's an interesting site, but it basically is just a news aggregator that appears to simply call news left, center or right based on the source. The New York Times is a center-left paper, in general, but has right and hard right editorial writers. How would that get aggregated? It's in both the left (opinon) and center-left (news) categories, but what about writers like Ross Douthat? He's pretty far to the right.

What I did notice, however, was that there were some stories about the underreporting of C19 on the site...

I don't think that there has been anyone on the right in the NY times for some time.  The editorial page editor resigned over a op-ed that he allowed from Tom Cotton.  He was probably the last guy that even tolerated the right.   WSJ seems to go both ways.

[spotty]

it did occur to me that with those 10s of thousands of harleys folk heading for a mask free celebration of freedom of the right to ride antique sh1theaps, there will be a sh1tload of cheap harleys for sale in about a months time......

( no offense to those hereabouts who profess a love for two cylinder motorbicycles based on a hundred year old design...)

[Terry in Australia]

ALL motorcycles are based on a 100+ year old design Spotty, whether they be Harleys or Honda's, they're just derivations of the original design. Sturgis does have many Harley riders attend, but there are rice burners in large numbers too, particularly those fakers on Yamaharleys and Hayabusa's with extended swingarms and drag racer pretensions. Regardless, they're all d1ckheads for putting their selfishness over the health of their "loved" ones. Putting your head in the sand and thinking that it won't happen to you will not stop the spread, and the catastrophic effect of 250,000 morons spreading the virus will result in millions of new infections.

We're currently in Stage 4 restrictions, and for those who don't know what stage 4 is, here's a brief explanation.

[PeWe]

There are also people riding their bikes wihout helmet. But that affect themselves only.

Morons doing unprotected sex will affect the humanity for decades to come.

I guess those Bike meet guys needs a tougher design of breathing protection with prints like:
-Riceburner smoke inhalation protection. (For the tough guys)

- Harley inhalation protection.
The latter with improved filtration not getting the Harley virus.

[jlh3rd]

"Anecdotal" evidence is the equivalent of heresy AFAIC, and da-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is not a responsible policy IMHO...

I tuned him out when I read, "My girlfriend's daughter-in-law's mother" that just screams reliable credible first hand source of information.

lol, so, I'm,what, lying?....you can tune out all you want. or how about K.M.A. Is that the best you have? People like you slay me, She lives 1/2 mile from us, so it's not credible info? Oh, she's lying also, right?
why don't you just stay tuned out on here since all you can do is offer nothing but insults, real intelligence on your part.
      The numbers are skewed. I believe common, everyday people who have no political agenda over pompous, experts who hate a certain person. Or so called news reporters who breathlessly report the sky is falling when a tropical storm approaches. I really had to laugh at the abc news guy, omg, we were all gonna die.

[RAFster122s]

The media locally on TV doesn't report on the number of new cases on a daily basis here in Tucson. They are just providing the daily death counts and then tell you the total number of cases by county as well as state wide. I watch the number of cases by county on a nearly daily basis. The virus has a strain that is the G strain that is more contagious than the earlier D strain and the G strain is what has been passing around in AZ and most other areas around the country now in the US. This strain is no more lethal statistically speaking but the contagious nature of it has lead to more cases and the dramatic rise in cases.
The CDC numbers have issues but they aren't orders of magnitude off.
I disagree with some of your statements chicken and we will agree to disagree. My brother, his daughter, and sister in law and several friends are medical professionals and have dealt with the virus. The fact you cannot be sure you won't get a bad case of it makes this virus really dangerous to many. The speed at which it can take you down raises it's risk factor for many. It just is stupid to play the odds and she many Americans have felt entitled to play those odds and paid for it dearly with their health or someone else's health. Masks and following the rules is just too much to ask of many who are so entitled thinking they can do what they want with no regard for others. I see it too often.
I think the media is not doing their jobs and are sensationalism for ratings/viewers and the message from health experts is being taken from anyone who will talk. Mistake.
My niece fought for her patients in one of the worst areas hit just north of Boston and the virus is a nasty thing to deal with if you end up in a hospital because of it.
So, wear a mask, wash your hands, stay away from others and large groups and try to do your part.

FWIW, Tucson isn't a hotspot for the virus like Phoenix...the bulk of AZ numbers are always in Phoenix metro area...but they are the 6th? largest city in America.  Tucson is on the most impoverished large city at #16.

[Stev-o]

Ok, so Frank 754 got tested.  Anyone else?    I have not. 

I am staying as safe as possible, all the stores around here have signs saying no mask no entry, I'm happy for that. 

[Bailgang]

Ok, so Frank 754 got tested.  Anyone else?    I have not. 

I am staying as safe as possible, all the stores around here have signs saying no mask no entry, I'm happy for that.

I have but that was mainly due to my Dr being a bit cautious when I showed up for my yearly physical with a slight sore throat and a temp of 99 which I didn't think was a big deal at all but my Dr did. Having that cotton swap stuck way up my nose really sucked.

[maxheadflow]

FWIW, Tucson isn't a hotspot for the virus like Phoenix...the bulk of AZ numbers are always in Phoenix metro area...but they are the 6th? largest city in America.  Tucson is on the most impoverished large city at #16.

FWIW Phoenix looks like it's 5th.. Tucson is a measly 33rd.  It thought San Diego would be larger that Phoenix but its not.. Maybe by county it is..  It's interesting to see how the population density in the city effects the spreading of the virus.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities

[BeSeeingYou]

"Anecdotal" evidence is the equivalent of heresy AFAIC, and da-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is not a responsible policy IMHO...

I tuned him out when I read, "My girlfriend's daughter-in-law's mother" that just screams reliable credible first hand source of information.

lol, so, I'm,what, lying?....you can tune out all you want. or how about K.M.A. Is that the best you have? People like you slay me, She lives 1/2 mile from us, so it's not credible info? Oh, she's lying also, right?
why don't you just stay tuned out on here since all you can do is offer nothing but insults, real intelligence on your part.
      The numbers are skewed. I believe common, everyday people who have no political agenda over pompous, experts who hate a certain person. Or so called news reporters who breathlessly report the sky is falling when a tropical storm approaches. I really had to laugh at the abc news guy, omg, we were all gonna die.

I just don't attach much credibility to anecdotal evidence when it's some variation on the " I knew somebody who new somebody who new somebody who told me".

[Don R]

 Wear a mask in public = minor inconvenience, isn't it really the least you can do for your fellow man? Even if it didn't work, which I believe it does, it would at least be a kindness that might give vulnerable folks a little piece of mind.

[RAFster122s]

I have been tested, required before I could have a nerve ablation in my neck a few months ago. The nasal swab stuck up into your sinuses is really unpleasant. Guess part of it depends upon who is doing it...for me> very unpleasant sensation.

[jlh3rd]

"Anecdotal" evidence is the equivalent of heresy AFAIC, and da-Nile ain't just a river in Egypt.

"Infect them all and let God sort them out" is not a responsible policy IMHO...

I tuned him out when I read, "My girlfriend's daughter-in-law's mother" that just screams reliable credible first hand source of information.

lol, so, I'm,what, lying?....you can tune out all you want. or how about K.M.A. Is that the best you have? People like you slay me, She lives 1/2 mile from us, so it's not credible info? Oh, she's lying also, right?
why don't you just stay tuned out on here since all you can do is offer nothing but insults, real intelligence on your part.
      The numbers are skewed. I believe common, everyday people who have no political agenda over pompous, experts who hate a certain person. Or so called news reporters who breathlessly report the sky is falling when a tropical storm approaches. I really had to laugh at the abc news guy, omg, we were all gonna die.

I just don't attach much credibility to anecdotal evidence when it's some variation on the " I knew somebody who new somebody who new somebody who told me".

granted, your entitled to that. This is not he said/ she said. It is immediate family and that makes it a part of the whole picture.....but it's not a lie. I do not  think that a navy doctor, a Physician Assistant, two hospital nurses who are my sons and daughters-in-law......and my girlfriend who's daughter is with an operating room tech, and the other daughter in law ...are lying. They are my family.....not strangers
       And a chief medical officer of a major hospital in the capital of Pa., is not anecdotal.

[carnivorous chicken]

It's part of the pattern. Some places aren't affected much. Some places are devastated. Some places that aren't affected much may be at some point in the future.

That doesn't mean the risk isn't real, that the numbers reported don't reflect what's going on (underreported, according to the experts, overreported, accroding to pundits and politicians), and that people shouldn't take precautions.

The stories about people who thought it was a hoax, then caught it, then died -- it's tragic. 

[scottly]

My mom told me today about an under-reporting of test results in CA of 250,000-300,000 reports, due to a computer snafu. My home town is now the "hot-spot" of Santa Barbara county, due in large part to migrant farm workers who live in tightly packed conditions, like 3 families in a two bedroom apartment; it's the only way they can afford housing, even with "sanctuary city" assistance.
The infection rate in AZ is about half what it was at the peak, so the masks and distancing work, period. 390 people died in AZ from 8-1 through 8-8, and last week they did have to resort to temporary refrigeration units to store bodies, as the funeral homes are overwhelmed.   

[Terry in Australia]

Yep the under reporting, and that idiot telling us that if you slow down testing you’ll have less positive cases is skewing the numbers, making it look better than it actually is. I was watching a news program where illegal mexican workers in the US were still going to work even though they knew they had CV, as they weren’t entitled to welfare payments. It is a truly fcuked up situation.

[grcamna2]

Lot's of 'Entitlement' stuff going on:that will Not keep them from catching it.
This attitude of "I'm fine" while they look at the others thinking They're the problem !    or "it won't happen to me". Way too much rugged individualism,to a fault.. imo.These attitudes have been going on a Long time. GET A LIFE,literally.. rant over. 
This is a great opportunity to start caring about Human Lives,collectively.To improve the Quality of human life,you've first got to start with Human Life and to have another day to live:everybody is an 'original' and they have value. 

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, I suggested a little while ago that the CV response is an excellent example of Darwin’s theory of evolution. The dumbasses will keep their heads firmly planted in the sand until they all expire or contract it, survive and realise how stupid they were, while those with an IQ greater than their shoe size will take all necessary precautions and not contract it. The result will be a much stronger gene pool.

[maxheadflow]

While there is an indication that in Kalifornia, some covid stuff was under-reported, there was also one where in Orange county they were grouping in positive antibody tests with positive covid infection tests.  I do suspect that there will continue to be rumors going both ways but it's just like anecdotal evidence.  It's not until the numbers are corrected that we should be concerned.

[scottly]

While there is an indication that in Kalifornia, some covid stuff was under-reported

250,000-300,000 missed test results is not just "some covid stuff"!?? Even if the results are as low as the 5% being recommended by the scientists before full reopening, that's 12,500-15,000 new cases. Given the current rates of infections, it's likely 3 or more times that number.

[scottly]

This song always made me smile whenever I heard it on the radio: