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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2007, 04:52:13 PM »
I used to have ZoneAlarm on my system. Took it off bkz it started
freezing up, and kept thinking antivirus/antispam programs were
viruses.

Well, it used to be good when I had MS 98, not on Vista.

yes... i just tried to install zone alarm but it conflicts with my virus program (e-trust).

alright, i think i've narrowed down the hard drive. 
what i had: 4200rpm maybe a 5400 rpm? 30 gig (can't find the cache but, does 2mb sound off?)
what i've found: 7200rpm, 8mb buffer, 80 gigabyte

i think this compounded with the ram doubling should really beef up my system and put off the need for a new comp for a year or two... would you guys agree?  yes, i understand it will not be the computer i've been considering but, it is a lot cheaper  ;D
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2007, 05:02:52 PM »
I'm running Vista Ultimate. It's fast and reliable.

Asus A8N-SLI Premium
AMD AthlonX2 3800+ at 2.5Ghz
1024MB Corsair XMS Platinum @ 250Mhz
2x40GB 7200rpm SATA drives in RAID-0
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2GB Thumb Drive for ReadyBoost

The 8800GTX is a very expensive card and personally I wouldn't recommend it due to the price. HOWEVER nVidia is coming out with the 8600GT very soon, which has the perfect price-to-performance ratio IMO. That's what I'd build with.
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2007, 05:08:56 PM »
I'm running Vista Ultimate. It's fast and reliable.

AMD AthlonX2 3800+ at 2.5Ghz
1024MB Corsair XMS Platinum @ 250Mhz
2x40GB 7200rpm SATA drives in RAID-0
8800GTX
2GB Thumb Drive for ReadyBoost

The 8800GTX is a very expensive card and personally I wouldn't recommend it due to the price. HOWEVER nVidia is coming out with the 8600GT very soon, which has the perfect price-to-performance ratio IMO. That's what I'd build with.

did you build this?  many of those specs are the same that were in the cyberpowerpc website. 
so when you guys say you're building these comps... are you purchasing all these parts separately?
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2007, 05:14:10 PM »
Yeah, I built it from scratch. I bought everything separately and used an old case that I had lying around (modded like mad, mind you).
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2007, 05:26:24 PM »
i use a lot of intensive programs like photoshop, autocad, sketchup, nero, illustrator, world of warcraft (haven't played it yet but once i graduate)  ;)... etc.

i know some of those are more intensive than others but, hopefully that gives you the idea that i need a strong system.

i'm digging the dual platform software for the macs... that seems ideal but, macs are so expensive.  i've also seen instructions on how to use the software called synergy to turn a dual monitor system into a dual mac/pc system where the mouse can actually travel between the two monitors which has one running the mac side and one running the pc side.

if you know of awesome deals... please let me know that too!

advice is greatly appreciated.

I bought my wife a Mac Book with the Core 2 Duo for Christmas.  Nice machine.  It is quite a bit nicer than my Dell Latitude D620 that work supplies.  The screen is way nicer as is overall performance.

For a desktop system at home, I built my own based around an AMD processor.  Mine is pretty much a budget box.  I found the guides at http://anandtech.com tremendously helpful. 

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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2007, 08:15:50 PM »
Asus A8N-SLI Premium
AMD AthlonX2 3800+ at 2.5Ghz
1024MB Corsair XMS Platinum @ 250Mhz
2x40GB 7200rpm SATA drives in RAID-0
8800GTX
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HA im running the same board, proc, and mem.... nice setup... im just have a gimp vid card though since the system is VMware lab system and it storing to a couple 10k SATA  drives.

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what i've found: 7200rpm, 8mb buffer, 80 gigabyte
perfect..  if its going in a desktop keep your 5400 rpm drive, put it on the secondary bus and have your pagefile setting on that drive and you will see another perfomance increase.
Personally if your running XP sp2 or later there is no reason for zonealarm.. just use windows built in firewall. It doesnt block outbound traffic but if your taking care of your system then it shouldnt have to. Also this firewall should be a secondary defense for your router setting between your puter and net connection. The synergy app you ask about is ok but it requires software to be install on both systems, is not encrypted data and requires a monitor be attached to each system. Personally I would suggest using windows remote desktop uitility since its free :D

Again purchase add on's via www.newegg.com, I have personally spent 2k+ via that site in the last 3yrs and have yet to have an issue.

All you apple people are fooling yourself if you think you are getting some best of the best computer. Its a great platform if your into hardcore multimedia and in my opinion that is the only time you should by the over priced system. Also its no longer anymore secure then a windows system, remember its now running on a modified linux kernal which a lot of people out there enjoy tinkering w/ to find ways to not only improve but find issue. The mac I am posting on belongs to my wife(graphic design student) has popped up at least 3 times this monthing saying it needs to update components.... again for every day use like internet browsing, burning CD's basic photo\video tinkering and gaming a PC is still a not only cheaper choice but I feel wiser choice considering all the available software on the market.

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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2007, 08:38:56 PM »
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what i've found: 7200rpm, 8mb buffer, 80 gigabyte
perfect..  if its going in a desktop keep your 5400 rpm drive, put it on the secondary bus and have your pagefile setting on that drive and you will see another perfomance increase.

it's actually going in a laptop inspiron 1000.  it was a bottom feeder about 2 years ago but, is so far handling intensive programs, just slowly.  and, i believe it is actually a 4200rpm drive that is in it now.  i think what i'll do is buy one of the usb hard drive shells to turn the old one into an external hard drive.  the shells are only about 30 bucks and the new hard drive is 100. 

so, less than 200 dollars later, i believe i will see drastic improvements based on what i've researched and bought today... i'll let you guys know.
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2007, 10:18:46 PM »
Since you're building a new computer, you'll need software...

I only use three pieces of security software: PeerGuardian2, Avast! Antivirus, and Mozilla Firefox 2 with Adblock Plus. I am also behind a hardware firewall (Linksys Firewalled Router). I have absolutely no trouble with viruses/adware/spyware. I think Peerguardian is the biggest factor.
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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2007, 03:21:57 AM »
"so when you guys say you're building these comps... are you purchasing all these parts separately?"

Yes. You pick all the parts you like, make sure they fit together, and screw them in a box. What you need is:

The case: these come in various sizes but ATX is the standard. Get a good solid case that has good soundinsulation. Flimsy metal boxes will resonate when the computer runs, and make more noise than my 550 at idle. I used a Lian Li PC A10A last time, and they're great.

Power supply: Getting something over 400watts will allow upgrades later. There are cases available with the powersupply build in already, but a powersupply is not something you want to save money on.

Motherboard: Make sure you get a good brand here too, this will be the big flat thing in your pc that all other components are mounted on. Make sure the SOCKET is right for the CPU you want. I think socket 775 what they sell the most now. Good brands are ASUS and MSI. An ASUS P5B is a good start.

CPU/processor: INTEL or AMD. This will mostly determine how fast and expensive your pc is going to be. My advice is never to buy the most expensive/recent CPU, but rather something that has been out for about a jear so the prices have dropped. The fastest Intel cpu is well over 1000 euro's now, but it's only a bit faster in practice than Pentium 4 3,4GHz costing 1/4th of that. Cpu's come boxed with a fan, and you need to take your time installing this component.

Memory: This comes in RAM sticks and many flavours. If your motherboard supports the fastest types (Dual-Channel DDR2) than getting these makes sense. Gamers, Musicians, Graphic designers, Video get as much RAM as you can afford,

Graphic cards: Some motherboards have these build in, I prefer separate myself. I use nVidea, but i'm no expert on these. Gamers generally use top of the line cards, but they cost more than a Playstation so it's beyond me.

Harddisks: This has been covered here before, If you need fast write/read capabilities from your disks (musicians & Video-editors) do NOT get a slow spinning harddisk. I like any Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM disk myself, they're fast and don't break.

Casefans: To keep your system from melting, you need to cool it down. Any brand will do here, as long as it provides a constant airstream in and out of the case, and past the hot components (CPU & Graphic card mostly).  If you're into overclocking/heavy gaming, get some decent fans.
If you want a silent system for in your living room or studio, get silent fans like Papst or Zalman.

Operating System (OS): You don't have much to pick from here. You can get ripped off and buy Microsoft and then spend another fortune on virussoftware, or spend a lifetime trying to get Linux to work with your programs. This is the part that sucks about pc's IMO. Off course stealing software from Microsoft esspecially is illegal, and I would never reccomend doing so, even if the hacked version actually work better than the original one. Give Bill Gates a break, buy his cd.


All of the above is just my humble opinion, i don't do this for a living so to anyone shopping for a pc: please do your own research too. Actually building the pc is nothing more than screwing some coponents in the case, and connecting some wires. All the components you buy have installation guides with them, and this stuff is all over the Internet. Try opening up your old pc, and you'll see it's not that complicated.

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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2007, 09:01:12 AM »
I agree with you completely except for two parts...

The fastest Intel cpu is well over 1000 euro's now, but it's only a bit faster in practice than Pentium 4 3,4GHz costing 1/4th of that.

The "newest" quad core Intel processor is much faster than any of Intel's Netburst architecture processors (P4's). As of right now, performance wise, it goes (slowest to fastest) Intel P4, AMD64, Intel Core. I do agree with you, though, about the price. AMD owns the mainstream right now. You can get a decent dual-core AMD processor (Athlon64 3600+) for $115 at Newegg.

The other part I slightly disagree with is the power supply issue. You definately need >400 watts, but the total power isn't necessarily what you're looking for. You need ~30 amps or more on the 12v line for your power supply to be good and stable on these high performance systems. I've got an Antec 520w PSU with 28a on the 12v rail and it can barely feed my system the power it needs (my 8800GTX really draws some power). If you're not going to run such a high-end graphics card and you're not overclocking, you can get away with ~30 amps or so.
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2007, 09:09:55 AM »
describe what overclocking is please... is that similar to the way overdrive gearing works?

great help here guys!  i never expected this thread to become a book in 2 days  ::)
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2007, 09:23:09 AM »
Overclocking is like "hot-rodding" your PC. You take a stock processor that runs at, say, 2.0Ghz, up the compression (raise the CPU voltage) and speed the processor up. With AMD64's, pretty much every recent processor is guaranteed to find stability around 2.5Ghz with a decent motherboard and RAM. Some go further. I've personally ran my 3800X2 at 2.9Ghz for a few benchmark runs. I've never worked on Intel's Core architecture so I can't tell you exactly how far they'll overclock, though I've read posts on the web saying that they overclock even better than A64's do.

Overclocking isn't for the faint of heart, though. Just like hot-rodding an engine, the faster it runs the more heat it produces; you have to be very careful in choosing components to keep the "free upgrade" processor running within it's thermal envelope. This comes in the form of all-copper heatpiped CPU coolers such as the Thermaltake Big Typhoon, which is another $45 or so plus a 120mm fan. You also need good airflow in your case to keep that hot air away from your precious components.

If you want to save yourself some cash while also having a top-of-the-line system, overclocking is the way to go. My 3800+ only cost me $200 when I got it about a year ago, but it was running faster than anything out at the time. Right now it's running as fast as the top-of-the-line $1000 AMD CPU. It takes a lot of planning, though, to get a stable overclockable system. There are forums dedicated solely to overclocking, two of my favorite being www.blazingpc.com and www.overclock.net (BlazingPC has a little more mature crowd). There are guides to buying hardware, basics to overclocking, and guidelines to follow.

People even go as far as buying "phase change" which is basically an air conditioner evaporator sitting right on top of the CPU. This keeps the processor around -40°F all of the time, and vastly increases your potential to overclock (the cooler the faster). I personally know someone with a phase change cooler running their Core2Duo at 5Ghz.
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2007, 10:15:16 AM »
I recently bought a barebones kit from Tigerdirect. I used the hard drive from my old system. Without the software it came to around $250 including shipping. It came with a solid case, 500 watt power supply 512k DDR RAM, Intel Core2Duo 3.4G processor, Abit mother board, CD/DVD burner and cooling fan. The only part I disliked was the rebates, but I got them all now.
It's much faster than my old PC, but I'd still like to bump up the memory and add a graphic card. Like our bikes we always want to squeeze as much performance out of them as possible in-case we ever need it.

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« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2007, 08:35:20 PM »
holy b'jesus!!!

this computer is now blazingly fast... it now keeps up with our multi-K dollar comps at school!

doubled the ram up to 512... i know it's not great but, it doubled.
up'd the hard drive from a 4,200rpm 30gig to a 7,200rpm 60gig

this thing is the computer i wanted 3 years ago at the very least. 

you know the bars below the window's window at startup?  it used to take 13 of the progress bar cycles... now it takes FIVE  !!

across the board... that is at least how much faster my computer is running!!@!

i'm in the process of reloading all my software and instead of the usual 5 minutes per cd... it is taking about 30 seconds to a minute.




bottom of the line computer just ponied up    ;D ;D ;D
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2007, 08:37:19 PM »
something worth noting...


i just reformatted my harddrive a month b4 this so, this is actual hardware upgrade results
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2007, 07:02:24 AM »
That gives me hope for mine. I'm going to be getting 1GB RAM when I get my tax refund. How much, if any, difference did you notice with reformatting? Just curious because I think I need to do that too. I've already got a 7200rpm 80GB, so I'm not wanting to replace it, but there's a lot of useless crap on there. It's just scary to think of wiping everything out.
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2007, 07:38:56 AM »
Boy with all this talk about "extra" software and anti-virus programs. More memory and expensive Windows OS. Has anyone added up the total cost. Especially the ones who thought my suggestion of buying an Apple computer was ridiculous... LOL I can point out a true die hard windows PC user any day when to come to their computers rescue at any cost. I myself use both machines. I have to for my job. CAD is on a Windows NT high end Dell as well as another programming development Dell and a third Dell for my business accounting and invoicing software. I even have a 25 year old IBM PC that controls my altitude simulation pressure/vacuum system... But I do not use any of the PC for internet access or email... And the firewall my business has is a Apple Airport Extream with one of the best firewalls reported by third party reviews! And guess what. All of my Apple documents are 100% compatible with the Windows machines...

Add up you total true expenses, then compair what you get with the price.

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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2007, 08:44:22 AM »
That gives me hope for mine. I'm going to be getting 1GB RAM when I get my tax refund. How much, if any, difference did you notice with reformatting? Just curious because I think I need to do that too. I've already got a 7200rpm 80GB, so I'm not wanting to replace it, but there's a lot of useless crap on there. It's just scary to think of wiping everything out.

Basically reformatting wipes the slate clean...  Gets rid of junk programs that eat virtual memory, and especially gets rid of spyware that doesn't alert you when it installs and records and transmits browsing habits, program usage, or even keystrokes.  Very invasive, and somewhat illegal.

I try to reformat every few months just as extra protection, and getting rid of all those programs that runs in the background is like a breath of fresh air in a dirty city.  The improvement in performance is noticeable.
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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2007, 08:52:47 AM »
That gives me hope for mine. I'm going to be getting 1GB RAM when I get my tax refund. How much, if any, difference did you notice with reformatting? Just curious because I think I need to do that too. I've already got a 7200rpm 80GB, so I'm not wanting to replace it, but there's a lot of useless crap on there. It's just scary to think of wiping everything out.
about 17 cds later and a day of burning and reloading later, my comp worked quite noticeably better.

Boy with all this talk about "extra" software and anti-virus programs. More memory and expensive Windows OS. Has anyone added up the total cost. Especially the ones who thought my suggestion of buying an Apple computer was ridiculous... LOL I can point out a true die hard windows PC user any day when to come to their computers rescue at any cost. I myself use both machines. I have to for my job. CAD is on a Windows NT high end Dell as well as another programming development Dell and a third Dell for my business accounting and invoicing software. I even have a 25 year old IBM PC that controls my altitude simulation pressure/vacuum system... But I do not use any of the PC for internet access or email... And the firewall my business has is a Apple Airport Extream with one of the best firewalls reported by third party reviews! And guess what. All of my Apple documents are 100% compatible with the Windows machines...

Add up you total true expenses, then compair what you get with the price.

Scott

obviously you haven't read this entire thread... the ram cost me 33 dollars, the hard drive cost me 103 dollars... both of those include shipping

brings my laptop up to a whopping total of 800 dollars spent. 

word to the wise if you're gonna argue a mac... don't argue the cost factor  :D ;) ;D
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2007, 08:57:29 AM »
I would be the first to admit that Macs are far less likely to be targets of malicious coders, etc. but not necessarily because the security is any better. They just don't have the popularity in the business world so nobody bothers coding whatever to target them. If the Mac market share were to increase and gain inroads in business and finance, that would change.
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« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2007, 09:05:26 AM »
word to the wise if you're gonna argue a mac... don't argue the cost factor  :D ;) ;D

Ain't that the truth...  I had a whopping $650 to spend on a computer a few years ago when I went back to college.  With that money I built a kickass system that I overclocked.  It can still outperform new out of the box Dells and some Macs (for a fraction of the price, no less).

I already had a monitor though, so that would have bumped the price up a bit.  But come on, how much does a used CRT cost?
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« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2007, 08:25:24 PM »
If you wanna speed up the boot a bit more, like a third, go to the start menu, click run, type in "msconfig" and click o.k., then go to the boot.ini tab and checkmark the "/NOGUIBOOT" box. What happens is that the computer bypasses the Windows XP logo screen with the scrolling bars. It cut my boot time by about a third.

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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2007, 12:21:55 PM »
Thought I'd weigh in on the Mac front. I've got a dual 2.5ghz G5 Mac (non-Intel) that cost $3K new and I love it. I've been a Mac user forever so am somewhat biased. I've seen more than one side-by-side price comparison of Mac vs. PC where the PC was set up with equivalent components and performance (operative word being "equivalent"), and the Mac has ended up being the better deal every time.

I don't want to tinker with my computer; I want to use my computer to tinker with other stuff. I make a living with it doing graphic design and audio mastering and it has paid for itself many times over. On a daily basis I use Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Quark, GoLive, Cubase SX, Peak, etc. and everything works without a hitch. I also run AutoCad on my Mac with Virtual PC. With the new Intel Macs, Windows even runs native! I can't afford downtime due to viruses or the associated B.S. with getting drivers working, dealing with the compatibility issues of different chipsets and board combinations, etc. Buying a PC just seems like a bad idea no matter how you slice it.

I'm also addicted to World of Warcraft, and it runs really well on a Mac.  ;D

If you want a hobby (and all of the joys and frustrations that go with it) that allows you to get "hands-on" with the guts of your computer on a weekly basis, buy a PC.

If you need to actually get things accomplished in the easiest and most efficient way possible, then there's no question–buy a Mac. (Especially when you consider that you're getting two computers in one...remember, it runs Windows seamlessly.)

Food for thought: There are a lot more ex-PC users using Macs than there are ex-Mac users using PCs.  ;D Unfair logic, I know, but true nonetheless! Beg, buy, borrow, or steal a Mac and use it for a week or two. Then try using a PC again and see how you feel.

Jinx

P.S. If you really want to get your hands dirty with a Mac, there's always the Terminal window just a click away. Command-line interface right there. OSX is, after all, Linux-based.  ;D
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2007, 11:39:50 AM »
here's the news and thanx jinx for an up to date report.  i do also have a powerbook g3 laptop w/ the screen bashed in running an external monitor  :D  i'm not sure why i still use it... all it's good for is looking at the internet really SLOWLY.  it is running OS8.0 but, i will soon update to 9.2.  anyone experienced w/ that?  will this be possible w/ only an external monitor on a laptop.  will i have to reinstall w/ 9 or can i just update to 9 then 9.2?

my gf's dell pc lappy just died.  it fried the hard drive once before and she replaced it.  it just so happens her hd will fit in mine and comes up w/ a blue screen w/ options to:
load xp normally
load xp safe mode
load xp w/ command prompt
load xp w/ last known good configuration

none of the options work and it goes back to the same screen.

can i run a windows install disk w/ the bluescreen harddrive and try a reformat?  how?  i could always use an extra 40 gigs of space  ;)

she did buy a new hopped up desktop that is shipping at the moment (ironic that her lappy barfed all over the place after she clicked purchase, isn't it?)... it was from the cyberpowerpc website and this thread really helped her decision making process.  i'll let you know how things workout.
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Re: please help me choose a new computer system for purchase
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2007, 12:48:36 PM »
If the drive comes to that point, you most certainly can format the drive. It is windows that is hosed. You can try to repair files with the repair console but that is a pain in the ass. You can get a usb to drive cable and then plug the drive into your regular pc and try to get the data off it if you need to.