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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2020, 06:42:24 PM »
Uploaded the Aluminum Pour Vid

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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2020, 08:45:50 PM »
Awesome project.  Good work, thanks for sharing it.

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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2020, 10:11:04 AM »
hey steve-o have you seen that video on youtube about yoshiwara factory?
I saw that guys side covers and looked cool on his kawasakis.
oh yeah the gas tank too

I've seen this but not video....

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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2020, 12:32:13 PM »
Thanks Rich
hey steve-o, yeah thats the same yashiwara

seeing how these types of side covers weren't meant for casting, being they are curved everywhere.
I will try the tab version next as is to see where the mold needs to be altered for a mold and go from there.
on these though I want to try the reverse casting process where I would pour the aluminum through the inside of the cover and in the middle and let it fill up to where the tabs are located instead of letting gravity fill the cavity and hope it gets filled in.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2020, 03:30:33 PM »
A few pics in the sun.
I know its not going to pop like the tank until I get a good polish for it but it is something.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2020, 05:11:36 PM »
Lookn good! Well done...


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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2020, 02:43:00 AM »
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2020, 08:53:49 PM »
thanks guys!

So I started today working on the regular side covers with the good tabs and it was a good battle but the day went to the side covers.
Every time I went to make a mold the tabs would get in the way breaking the mold beyond a good rebuild and I would start over.
also on these was this corner tab thing that I grinded off due to it breaking the mold also.
how to fix this problem will be to build up with either resin or plastic weld inside the area on the back of the tabs so the sand has nothing to grab onto.
I think with this I should get a really great mold will work meaning lighter better side covers that if they tabs break just grind em down drill a hole tap it and use a godffrey nipple and you're good to go... in theory. or it could suck and I just make my own side covers from scratch.

since I wasn't able to make a side cover mold today I didn't want to miss the chance to melt something so I tried to greensand with a finned points cover to see what differences I could expect. the cast came out pretty good. it filled all the areas and was smoother than the petrobond with little waste of burned sand material. on the downside the two halves didn't have a great seal and the aluminum found its way in between.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #58 on: April 29, 2020, 12:58:08 PM »
For what its worth, along with getting good casting on the mold tabs, as with stock or reproduction covers, I highly recommend replacing the rubber grommets in the frame that hold the tabs.  They dry out and lose their ability to hold onto the tabs.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #59 on: April 29, 2020, 01:12:21 PM »
 Sounds like a good plan.
You could also use modeling clay to build up the inside the area on the back of the tabs.  It's much easier to work with and can be removed and reused multiple times.
If you want to go with "The Good Stuff" get a hold of some Professional level Wax based Modeling Clay, like CM-70 or 11-23.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #60 on: April 29, 2020, 05:20:50 PM »
Thanks guys!
The rubber will definitely need to be changed for when and if these get put on.
the modeling clay is an awesome idea!
I'm going to build up the entire area that is behind the tabs all the way over to the other side of the cover.
It will look like a continuous barrack, like the barracks in Gomer Pyle. So if those nipples break off at that skinny area on the tab, it will be reinforced for godffreys replacements to tap em.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2020, 02:51:21 PM »
Decided to give the push tab side cover a try.
After filling the back of the push tabs in they seemed pretty solid enough to not want to implode or sink in.
The Mold looked good and I made sure to have enough vents throughout to let the aluminum fill it.
I still had some crumble on the bottom corner of the side cover where the lip bends inward.
After the pour and remove of the casting I could see where I didn't make the runner where the highest point of the cover was.
I think this led to the dead spots where there was no aluminum.
testing out again a second pour to fill in the areas works but it has alot of down time clearing away the excess aluminum around it.
Luckily it looks like all the push tabs were cast in the right locations and has enough meat to grind down and form
Still have some excess aluminum on the inside to grind away to make lighter.
Still want to try the brazing in the cracks of separated aluminum to hide em.
So far so good
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2020, 08:38:01 PM »
 Man, that's really starting to look good! All your R&D is paying off.

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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2020, 09:41:45 AM »
Some more trial and error with the other side cover. I was able to sand down the curved edge somewhat that It didn't break off when lifting the mold and separating.
each time I did a pour, it was a failure:
I didn't secure the curve edge with enough sand when rebuilding so the aluminum escaped the mold.
I didn't allow enough of a vent for holes so they had to be bigger.
areas didn't get cast enough to make a usable piece to add another aluminum fill like the other side.

On the last try I got a decent cast with a couple of areas that can be filled, but like the other side once it is filled, there is a lot of work to drill and shave off the excess aluminum.
Also I have not tried the aluminum brazing to see if it will fill in the cracks and holes.

I went back to the drawing board.
since I was out of beer cans aluminum I cut up all the previous failures that were made with that aircraft grade aluminum I bought on ebay and decided to do another pair of finned side covers.
the melt time was quicker. when I poured the aluminum the pour was alot smoother filling each of the areas where before some areas didn't fill at all.

I went back into the casting forums rereading intros and tips.
From what I read It looks like I need to go bigger.
going to purchase a 5KG crucible for more aluminum. this will allow more flow on the fill when I add a top stack to keep the gravity pressure higher to push the aluminum where before it would stop.
rebuild a bigger sand mold box to allow me to add a couple of things in aiding with the aluminum through the cavity.
also I was thinking that this has all been done with beer cans. even after degassing and removing all the dross the material might be on the low scale compared to what I bought off ebay. this thought was after seeing how much better the last pair of finned covers came out.

I'm going to keep going on the pair of side covers with the prongs and see if they will hold after grinding the excess material away to create the tabs.

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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2020, 08:34:37 PM »
yay! somebody bought my airbox on ebay!
now I can get my new crucible and maybe enough green sand!
Still need some funds to buy the aluminum but its getting closer.

sucks being furloughed from my job but at least I get to spend some time getting stuff done.

with the aluminum Ive been recycling from unwanted cb parts I decided to redo my starter cover.
the last one the bottom skirt was not long enough to cover the whole starter so I made it a little longer.

along with a messed up points cover that the fins didn't come out on the sand mold I took a broken side cover emblem to see if it would play nice with the molds.


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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2020, 12:41:08 AM »
been chuggin along with the tab covers
I finally got the other side cover filled in. the area was in the rear of the cover so I had to fill it twice by filling the front and then filling the back.
Once the inside of the cover is grinded down where the excess aluminum is I can move on to trying out the brazing rods to fill in small areas.

I really like the way the points cover looks but next time I will try it with all the area flat and not leave the top and bottom removed.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2020, 08:47:24 PM »
worked on grinding down the inside of the right side today. most of the excess is gone and is starting to feel about the same as the left side. Once that was finished I started on the tabs removing little at a time checking and double checking the tabs on the plastic cover making sure it was the same distance same size et cetera. and it fits.

tomorrow on to the left side and see if I don't screw it up.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2020, 06:12:03 PM »
I tried the aluminum brazing to no avail. I need an oxy acetylene torch or something better than my propane burner.

still waiting for my crucible. when I ordered the item from ebay the location was from northeast region. after a week I checked the seller and it was based in china so Im thinking its going to be one of those where they send it to them after the order is placed and I get it in a couple of weeks. sucks cause this was the only place I saw with a 5kg crucible.

while I wait Ive been retrying my hand at the starter cover. each time I made the skirt was too short but third times the charm i guess.

with this cover I didn't have anything to make decent fins for the top so Im going to make a couple more on with a failed side cover casting and another with the broken 550 emblem.

I have been practicing work on horizontal casting mold making for pieces that I would need to have two pieces/ a left and right side of a whole to make a cast. it looked pretty interesting and I might use it for a future casting. you never know.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2020, 04:59:03 PM »
Good news! my Crucible finally got here!
While I was waiting I went back over the OG covers and finished forming out the prongs.
This part took the most of the time. I had alot of meat on them bones and grinding them off takes some time and patience.
While doing this I could see where Godffreys tabs will come in handy.
I did have some trouble with the top tabs getting the right size and where they belong (grind and fit/ grind and fit) and on the left side one of the tabs is a tad slim but the rubber grommet still bites it a little.
and then on the bottom tabs is where the trouble starts to work.
I don't know if its the shrinkage or when I pulled the covers up from the sand mold but they were harder to get correct to fit in.

I think on the next go around the tabs will be filled in, leaving the areas on the back flat. I'll match up with the tab holes, where I will sharpie through to the aluminum areas for me to drill and tap.
Also going to try a set with the rear and front cut off of the mold and see how that would look.

I am putting in all the cheat codes to see if I can get a complete set of side covers made because going the aluminum brazing route is not what I intended to do with this project anyway.
These first couple that have been made are still failed experiments that are just stepping stones for the real things. All or nothing.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2020, 09:18:13 PM »
Thanks for the progress report on your experiments and work in the aluminum side covers. Best of luck refining the locations of the sprue location for your pouring to achieve the fill without brazing. Hope it comes together better with little rework/refinement required afterwards.
They look good.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2020, 10:28:51 PM »
 Great progress report man,
Thank you for keeping us up to date, step by step!

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« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2020, 09:18:30 AM »
well I went back to the drawing board on the side covers trying to get the areas flat on the side lip and sanded all the way through to the inside.
I guess it isnt so bad. Now I can remake the lip flat and see how they mold in the sand.
I had to order more green sand with the new mold frame I added in. Before I was using one for the inside and outside and now there is one for the inside, the outside middle and the outside top. This adds a couple inches but it was told to me it will make retrieving the side cover easier. it was also said there might be more chance that aluminum will escape through the extra mold frame. with all the modifications I think the only part that will be original is the face of the cover! LOL!

after all of this R&D I might have to make my own version of the side cover.
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #72 on: June 04, 2020, 10:23:16 AM »
I went back at it with all the cheat codes unlocked, a 3 tier sand mold box, and a big ass crucible!
The 6kg crucible is no joke! As I went to pick it up out of the forge it felt like I was lifting the whole forge up!
I quickly set it down to get ready to pour and my pliers barely fit on the lip.
moment of truth as I started pouring. It went pretty good.
After griding away the excess aluminum and adding in the helicoils each is about 1.2lbs.
besides the tab areas where I added the turrets the thickness is a little over 1/8 in.

Okay now on to polish and see how they look
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #73 on: June 04, 2020, 11:35:48 AM »
Definitely be considering a safety wire retainer so if one comes loose while riding it won't hit the ground or get thrown into the spokes. 1.2 pounds, that's some weight!
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Re: CB550 or CB500 Aluminum Side Cover Castings (build?)
« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2020, 03:00:50 PM »
Ill be adding on some sort of locking mechanism just to make sure.
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