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Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« on: May 15, 2020, 08:32:00 PM »
Heya guys, just spent the week rebuilding the carbs on my 73’ CB350F. First time doing it and watched an instructional video I found on YouTube. All went pretty well, at least that what I thought. Put the carbs back on the bike and set everything up to start the bike and realized that the fuel was directly pouring out of the float bowl of each carb (nipple with hose). So the fuel is going straight from the tank and out of the float bowls. Did I do something wrong when rebuilding the carbs? Am I missing a hose during connection? What do you guys think the problem might be? Thanks ahead


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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2020, 08:49:30 PM »
Are all four leaking?

Is it possible you installed the float needles upside down?

When fuel enters the carb bowl, the float rises and pushes the float needle up inside the seat and shuts the fuel off.

If that’s not it, did you adjust the floats so now the fuel level in the bowl is higher than the overflow tube?


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2020, 08:54:42 PM »
Hey Robbo, yea all 4 of the carbs are leaking. I’m not too familiar of the mechanics of a carb and how every piece works. Maybe I didn’t tighten something right?


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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2020, 08:56:52 PM »
I added to my post above.


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2020, 09:03:54 PM »
I might have adjusted the floats wrong, they might be too high. That’s the part out of the whole carb rebuild was throwing me off. I measured the float to .21mm but it’s possible that I could have measured that wrong which will make sense as to why it’s spilling. I’ll take the carbs off tomorrow morning and get back to you on that. Thanks for the tip!


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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2020, 09:05:51 PM »
You’re welcome


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2020, 09:07:41 PM »
Make sure your fuel line is connected to the fuel input fitting for the carburetors, and not to a vent fitting.
I made this mistake in the past with identical results to yours.

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2020, 09:12:22 PM »
Make sure your fuel line is connected to the fuel input fitting for the carburetors, and not to a vent fitting.
I made this mistake in the past with identical results to yours.
Hi ckahleer, I actually never removed the fuel line from the carb as I worked on it so that probably isn’t the case. Are the vent sittings side by side? I see 2 vents in the middle of the carbs that don’t have anything connected to them. Not sure what those were or if any hose need to be connected to them.


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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2020, 09:18:49 PM »
Btw, when you have the float bowls removed, fill them with fuel and make sure none of them leak due to a crack in the brass overflow tubes.


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2020, 10:04:00 PM »
Sounds like maybe sticky floats. Tap on the bowls lightly with a hammer


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2020, 10:07:11 PM »
[mention]Robbo [/mention] I’ll put some fuel in before closing them up and make sure there are no leaks. [mention]minimo [/mention] could they get stuck even after being brand new and newly installed?


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2020, 10:42:58 PM »
Well, sometimes the hinge part can bind on the posts, preventing the float to adjust as fuel rises or lowers. Gently tapping the bowls sometimes adjusts the floats and frees the hinge from binding. It’s an easy test, and if it works, you didn’t have to remove the bowls and get fuel spilling around everywhere.


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2020, 12:43:06 AM »
But, from the sounds of it now, it’s likely that you’ll need to readjust your float heights.
Employ the clear tube test, or my fave (via Strynboen, the low air compressor trick to test fuel height and consistency across all carbs.


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2020, 07:34:46 AM »
If you had the floats removed, is there a chance they were reinstalled upside down? On some carburetors it is possible to do this. Not sure about yours.

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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2020, 08:22:04 AM »
If you had the floats removed, is there a chance they were reinstalled upside down? On some carburetors it is possible to do this. Not sure about yours.
That also crossed my mind. I remember the CB350F floats 'invite' to do that (when you look at them), but I also seem to remember it is virtual impossible. Not sure though.
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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2020, 09:03:32 AM »
I just had the same problem on my rebuild. Turns out that I did have the floats too high. Here is what I figured out. Most of the videos say to measure it upside down, which is fine if the spring in the needle is strong enough to hold up the float. In my case they were not, which is why mine were off. I would suggest you either measure with them on their side or check the float level just when it touches the spring on the needle, do not let it rest on it. Hope that helps and good luck

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2020, 10:13:33 AM »
Thanks for all your replies. You guys were right about the bowls. I think I found the problem to the leak. Float bowls are upside down.

After I flip these, the measurements should be 21mm right?


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2020, 10:17:28 AM »
So far I never had to readjust any CB Four floats. I know it's described in the manuals, just like anything else imaginible. In practice the floats are always right. If it has to be done, most likely it's because PO thought it wise to 'adjust'. This is easy to detect: if the little tang doesn't run parallel with the rest of the brass anymore, you can bet PO has messed with it.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2020, 11:27:15 AM »
Ok so the floats are on the right side, looking at an illustration of the carb to make sure all parts are on correctly
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2020, 12:23:51 PM »
Yes your floats are installed correctly.

Did you check the float needles?  Looks like this...



The solid pointed end goes up into the seat.  The bottom “springy” end goes against the float tang.

When you set the float height, you measure when the float tang just barely rests on the bottom of the float needle.


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2020, 01:15:20 PM »
Yes your floats are installed correctly.

Did you check the float needles?  Looks like this...



The solid pointed end goes up into the seat.  The bottom “springy” end goes against the float tang.

When you set the float height, you measure when the float tang just barely rests on the bottom of the float needle.


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Yea that’s how I had the needle, spring side in contact with the leaf. One issue I’m finding with putting the carbs back is that the main jet keeps popping out and not staying in tact with the needle jet. Is that supposed to pop off or be loose?


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2020, 02:57:17 PM »
The Main Jet with o-ring should be a snug fit; better to err on tight rather than loose, I have found. Having a tighter fit may make it a little more difficult to pull out the jets on the next rebuild, but hopefully you won't have to do that so often.

I have found that when you don't have a tight seal on the Main Jet o-ring, throttle response is compromised because there is an inaccurate amount of fuel/air mix via the emulsion tubes when the needles are raised. Having a loose fit allows an extra amount of air to mix with the fuel and that may create symptoms of a lean mixture.

But back to your overflowing issues. Recheck your float heights. According the webs, a '73 CB350F is 21mm. You'll need either the float height tool (I've seen people get crafty making a guide out of old credit cards), or a set of calipers with a depth gauge. There are a few methods to verify the heights: the clear tube method which is not fun and can get messy and time-consuming to fine tune floats by having to remove the bowls, or you can give the cool low-compressed air trick developed by Strynboen which involves hooking up your fuel line up to a compressor with an in-line regulator and using air as a substitute for fuel to gauge the fuel heights across your carbs.
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to adjust the floth height...the air escapes..until the valve get stuck of the flot...and the exatc point is clerly to be heard..and use your messure gerete you get a perfekt adjusting...vitaut any fuel vaste all over the shop....
It's a really clean and relatively accurate method to get your float heights measured evenly across the carbs.

When you're bending the tangs on the floats to adjust the heights, to measure the height, lean the carb rack back a bit to ease off some gravitational weight that the floats will have, in fact, I even rest the carbs on the intake side opposite the air filter intake (basically, tilting the whole carb rack 90° of its stock orientation), and then glide the float height gauge or caliper depth gauge across the mating surface of the float bowl against the surface of the top of the float and see how the bottom of the tang interacts with the float needle. Make sure that the float needles are fully seated. The tang should just gently caress the float needle. Keep doing this until you 21mm feels close. This is where the compressed air trick comes in handy. While the carb rack is in this 90° orientation, rubber bands can be used to keep the other floats down to make sure that the fuel, represented by air here, does not leak (or hiss out). You only need a small amount of air, so it helps to be in a quiet place while doing this so that you can hear the hiss of air leaking out as you measure the float heights. Simply move down the line as you feel comfortable with the float height adjustments.

I hope this makes sense. I was hoping tequila would help but maybe it did not.

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2020, 03:02:37 PM »
The main jet is pressed in and should have an o-ring that end goes in first and an empty slot at the opposite end sticks out where the jet clip holder attaches.

Sometimes these aftermarket carb kits have undersized o-rings.
You could try swapping them between the carbs to see if it’s an issue with one of the jets or one particular carb.
Do you still have the original jets?  Maybe try those.


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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2020, 04:31:43 PM »
Carbs leak for four reasons.
1.  Cracked over flow tube (not likely)
2.  Bad (or fouled) needle/seat
3.  Improper float adjustment (a common issue on old carbs)
4.  Bad Karma (sorry, not much you can do about this)  :D
If you had to monkey with the carbs to get them installed, the floats can often hang up.  I've often had to "adjust" them with a firm tap with a screw driver handle just to knock some sense into them.

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Re: Carbs Leaking Fuel After Rebuild
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2020, 02:55:10 PM »
Coming back to this with another question, are the carbs supposed to overflow and leak worthy the petcock on?


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