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« Reply #150 on: December 23, 2021, 12:28:27 PM »
Is the 500 Done?

Ready to ride at anytime Terry ?

I like the brakes for your Z1  8)
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« Reply #151 on: December 23, 2021, 02:43:43 PM »
Just about guys, everything is working apart from the speedo, which I need to pass a Roadworthy Certificate inspection. I did a shout out on FB for a good working speedo and mentioned that it must actually work this time, unlike the one I spent over $200 USD for that looks lovely, and can be made to work while it's apart, but not when it's on the bike. (no, the speedo drive in the hub appears to be working fine, and the new speedo cable is good too, just in case you were wondering.....)

Anyhoo, a guy in Holland had several good used ones, and one NOS Suzuki speedo with zero miles (well, Kilometers actually) on the odometer, so I've bought that, and when it arrives I'll ride the bike over to Geoff at Ace Motorcycles to get the Roadworthy inspection done, then there's a bit more red tape required to get my "Historic Club Permit" (cheap registration) and then it's on the road. I might buy an electronic ignition for it as well, but I won't get too carried away until it's right to go.

Regardless, the box with the speedo probably won't arrive for a few weeks, so a perfect opportunity to jump onto the Z1-B. How do you like those brakes Steve? ;D
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« Reply #152 on: December 29, 2021, 12:41:37 AM »
Well the wife was telling me to empty the (still cold) water out of the big Coleman drink coolers (we call them all an "Esky" here, after a long forgotten brand of Aussie made coolers) that we had the booze and soft drinks in, for the Christmas Eve BBQ and I thought, "hmmnn, what else can I put up on the bench in the patio to stop it blowing away if we have a cyclone?" and so for safety sake, once I'd cleaned out the coolers and transferred all the various beers and ciders into my bar fridge in the garage, I pulled both Zed ("Zee" in the US) engines out from under the doona where they've been snoozing since 2020, and dragged them up to the patio, and lumped them onto the bench.

Z1-B Wednesday 29 December 2021 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I bought a new pair of Stinko tyres on Ebay last night, and I'll take the wheels over to the tyre place where I bought them tomorrow, and have them fitted. I can't decide whether I'll lay the frame over the engine (once I've re-checked everything and installed the sump pan etc) or build a rolling frame and just shove the engine in?

From memory it's an absolute PITA to install the engine due to some unnecessarily stupid rear engine mounts (one more mounting point than a CB750 has) so I may have to lay the frame over the engine then sit it on my bike jack to mount the forks and wheels. Anyway, it won't be long before it's looking like a bike again! Hmmnn, maybe not "again" as this bike is another one that I'm building from parts that have come from all over the world, but you know what I mean...... ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's new Kawasaki Z1B build, the OCD special...........
« Reply #153 on: December 29, 2021, 01:22:28 AM »
Can you block up the motor on its side on apad to protect the finish and lay the frame over the engine and then block the frame up to maneuver the frame into position so you can get the engine mounted with less trouble than trying to fight it into place lifted into the frame?

I always liked the frame over motor approach.

That big C lifting arm setup some have used to pull the CB motors would require a come-along or motor cherry picker.
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« Reply #154 on: December 29, 2021, 01:58:34 AM »
I like 8) The GPZ engine with the Arias Big cylinder block the most:my favorite.
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« Reply #155 on: December 29, 2021, 09:11:15 AM »
We always lay the frame over the motor. Way less chance of scratching the frame. I build stand's to hold each motor on it's side with plywood, blocks of 2x? and some carpet pad. I also install the center stand first so after the motor is in we can stand it up and use a scissor jack to hold up the front. I have two scissor jacks and like them because they are infinitely adjustable and don't sink.
We've done a dozen bikes this way and we won't install motors any other way.
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Re: Terry's new Kawasaki Z1B build, the OCD special...........
« Reply #156 on: December 29, 2021, 02:04:26 PM »
Beautiful motors.
I placed mine in the frame before the top end went on, very easy.
Of course yours are already on.
Frame over engine is my vote.
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« Reply #157 on: December 29, 2021, 04:25:51 PM »
Thanks guys, I think that's probably why I removed the ignition side of the engine so that I could lay it on that side and just pad it underneath with some cardboard.

Bill, that other engine is actually a 1977 KZ1000 engine with the Arias 1428cc block, heavily modified pistons and GPZ1100 head etc. The original KZ1000 based drag bike that I bought already had the GPZ head on it, but the moron who built it ran into a problem with the cam chain being too long, so to take up the slack, he threaded it through the cam chain tensioner at the back of the engine, rather than around the tensioner as it should go.

I only rode it once and it conked out due to an electrical fault, so I got it going again and quickly rode it home, cutting my ride short. Lucky I did too, because when I stripped the engine down the cam chain tensioner had been almost completely cut in half by the chain.

1428 engine build 4 Jul 2020 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I reckon another few miles and that cam chain would have let go, locking up the engine, and possibly spitting me down the road. The correct way of installing a GPZ head on a KZ1000 is to buy a special APE top chain guide sprocket assembly (the GPZ head doesn't have one, just a plastic rubbing block attached to the cam cover) and the special APE tool to install the tensioner.

1428 cam chain guide by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

1428 cam chain guide 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

1428 cam chain guide 5 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

1428 head job 28 Sep 2020.jpg 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr   

But I digress. I'll get off my butt shortly and take the wheels over to the tyre shop and get my new stinkos installed, and then a few more engine checks and some JB welding, before I plonk it into the frame. More soon. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #158 on: December 29, 2021, 04:37:03 PM »
This is getting good Terry. I'm gonna go add a thread for my other other bike, also a little Honda so keep an eye out.

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« Reply #159 on: December 29, 2021, 09:32:06 PM »
Thanks Alan, feel free to drop a link here, so the other guys can check it out too! ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #160 on: December 29, 2021, 09:38:34 PM »
Thanks, it's not too comprehensive, just an overview.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,188788.0.html

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« Reply #161 on: December 29, 2021, 09:42:36 PM »
Terry, you don't seem to get too pissed off at PO's stupid human tricks on your builds...or at least you aren't communicating any angst about it. I would guess you are pragmatic and say to yourself, well that's stuffed and I got put that right and set about solving that issue as you work through the build. It isn't like getting ticked off about it is going to help anything or solve the issues. Sometimes you don't have a lot of major issues and hopefully it is only on rare occasions you have to walk away from a motor because it is fubar'd beyond any reasonable level of effort to fix it or just too many risky issues to trust it.

I guess you have the luxury of a good paying job with the ability to afford these sometimes expensive discoveries. Given the value of bikes there you can afford to spend money on the biles without fearing you are going to exceed the worth of the bike most of the time if you do decide to sell it later.
I used to have a good paying job but health issues forced me to quit working early and the adjustment from having a similar salary like yours to making ends meet on a quarter of my former salary. Kinda limits the ability to just open the wallet for surprises.

I am glad you are building these interesting bikes, it is great fun to watch and follow along, learning a few things with every thread.

BTW, maybe start a thread in Other Bikes to find out who owns Harleys on the forum so you can start the dialogue with select owner who might help you in your Rt 66 adventure in a couple years. I hope to ride part of the route with you, we should combine it into a Godzilla like event and get Lefty, PimpZilla, and Godzilla together at various points along your route with small or big get togethers for an evening/overnight gathering as you blow through that area on your American adventure. Maybe have nearby regional riders setup a good cookout at a campground that has cabins so you can have a hot shower and decent bed and you and any contingent riding group of members join the event. Given Rt 66 being a MidWestern & Western US adventure mainly (Chicago to LA) it will likely limit many Eastern US rider participants...only the dedicated or those with ability to burn a week of travel and event would be able to participate as Chicago isn't an easy reach for Florida and other deep south US state riders...
Just floating an idea to piggy back on your event with another small touring get together for SOHC4 riders/members. Not that it is going to be limited to any brand of bike, great if you can ride an SOHC4 if yours is running, but the other Godzilla World/US tours accepted anyone on two wheels and a couple on four wheels...
Having a support vehicle with a bike trailer to assist anyone who might have mechanical issues is really helpful when you are doing a motorcycle tour with limited time to achieve the point A to point B nature of a trip.

Just had been thinking a bit about your planned adventure and the past SOHC4 Godzilla get togethers. Thought I would throw out the ideas I had about it to see if any of the ideas could stick and get some legs...

David

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« Reply #162 on: December 30, 2021, 12:05:09 AM »
G'Day David, yep, even when I was broke I was always optimistic, so while the PO of the original KZ1000 ruined it (I had to weld back on frame sections that he'd cut off and thrown away and both the original engine cases and crank were toast) there were still some great parts, like the GPZ1100 head and cams, and the Moriwaki 1100cc single compression ring race pistons. Ebay USA was a great source for cheap Zed ("Zee") parts, so I was able to find several NOS Eagle race cranks, good used crankcases etc. I bought a lot of parts from "Oink Johnson" and he looked after me, price wise.

Today was a stinker. I found out last night that another old friend of mine had died suddenly the day before, which led to a troubled night's sleep, and the weather ramped up into the 90's today. On top of that I managed to trip over some of my sons exercise equipment in my back yard and took a tumble. It was only a skun knee then, but now my leg, hip, back and neck are stiff, old age sucks. Oh well, life is like fire and movement, you just need to keep moving forward. I drove over to the tyre place around 12.30 and Ari, the manager said I'd have to wait around an hour, as the boys had gone to lunch. Hmmnnn. OK, I said I'll come back, so dropped the wheels and drove off. What to do for an hour? I know, go to the pub!

The "Pub" is a big poker machine venue. I haven't done any "Slot Jockeying" for the best part of a year, so I bought a drink then shoved $20 in a machine, and after a couple of pushes of the button, won the "Major" jackpot of $584! Woohoo! I buy another drink and play my win up and down, and walk out $550 richer. Sweet. I drive back to the tyre place and my wheels are done, so I pay the $295 ($200 USD) for 2 new tyres, 2 new Michelin tubes and 1 new rim band and fitting/balancing, which I reckon is a bargain. Gotta love Stinko tyres!

Z1 Thursday 30 December 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I dropped into Spotty's place to see all the work he's doing on his "new to him" Triumph Rocket III. He showered me with gifts of nuts and bolts, which are always handy. I drove home and took another look at the frame after I washed it, and I think I'll actually make a rolling bike to put the engine into.

The story with the Z1 frame (not the drag bike frame, there are two different bikes) was that the PO had a Z1-B frame and a Z1-A engine, so he had the frame powdercoated and installed the Z1-A engine, to build a "Bitsa" Z1. He then changed his mind and sold the engine and frame separately. When he pulled the engine out he chipped the powdercoat in several places, so as I don't need to worry about ruining the powdercoat, I'll just build a roller, and shove the engine in. This isn't a resto, it's a restification....... More tomorrow. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #163 on: December 30, 2021, 05:30:28 AM »
Lots of lows and highs today. Condolences on your friend's sudden passing. Congrats on the slot windfall. I hope you heal quickly with no new issues. Glad you had a good time out and about and congrats on the roller. Any tests on the 'patient lifter' so far?
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« Reply #164 on: December 30, 2021, 09:53:32 AM »
Sorry for your loss Terry...
Nice winning the money...paid for your tires and a case or two of Ginger Joes...maybe something for the wife. Surprise her with some flowers...
Or, it just pads the recovery of the expenses of Christmas.
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« Reply #165 on: January 05, 2022, 02:28:22 AM »
Well I don't know about you guys, but as soon as I bolted the front end on today, I thought, "How beautiful is that thing?". I'm glad I decided to build a roller, it really has given me the incentive to "Get 'er done"...... More tomorrow. ;D

Z1 Wednesday 5 Jan 2021 4 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #166 on: January 05, 2022, 02:30:40 AM »
Terry, what's the verdict on your patient lifter hoist? Did thebattery charge solve its issues?

Roller looks great!
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« Reply #167 on: January 05, 2022, 02:33:44 AM »
Thanks David, nope, patient lifter is not well. The company that services them is closed until the 10th, so if the engine is ready to go in sooner than that, it'll be that Mexican guy, Manuel Labour...... ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #168 on: January 05, 2022, 10:44:51 AM »
Looks good Terry !
What Z engine will you be installing ??  :)
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« Reply #169 on: January 05, 2022, 12:22:48 PM »
There really is something majestic about them that you really can't understand until you see it in person...and the ride does not disappoint!
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« Reply #170 on: January 05, 2022, 11:46:46 PM »
Thanks guys, yep, getting excited about having a Z1-B to ride in a few weeks. (or whenever my refurbished front brakes arrive) Bill, the engine is one I built from a bare set of US sourced Z1-B cases with a NOS Eagle welded and balanced crank, 1100cc Moriwaki pistons (out of the old drag bike) ported head, unknown (probably GPZ1100) cams, H/D studs, 33mm Mikuni smoothbore carbs with K&N pods, Dyna 2000 ignition and coils, Dyna leads, and a Delkevic 4 into 1 pipe. Should be scary fun.

Yesterday I bolted the front end together, which was easy. Today I had to sort out the rear end, which wasn't as cool. Originally I'd intended to use the Lester wheels so I didn't have any of the OEM rear wheel hardware. Ok, so I had a re-plated OEM axle, but no spacers, and for some reason I don't remember, axle adjusters and the blocks that go on the end of the swingarm for the chain adjuster bolts to seat in. Well, CB750's have the same diameter axle (20mm) so it follows that the blocks would be similar to OEM Kawasaki, as would the axle adjusters, so the only thing I didn't have were spacers. I asked the question on the US Z1 Owners FB page and a guy got back to me with the widths, so I first made the sprocket side 11mm thick spacer.

Z1 Thursday 6 Jan 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr   

I then measured the gap betwixt the brake backing plate and the axle adjuster, it read 39mm, so I decided to make the spacer 40mm long for a snug fit. I didn't have a good sized chunk of aluninium, so I found a lump of 34mm OD solid steel bar, and almost destroyed my Dewalt cordless  band saw cutting a piece off the end. It took a bit of effort to machine it up, but eventually I had it finished, so I test fit everything, and it looked good.

Z1 Thursday 6 Jan 2021 2 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Z1 Thursday 6 Jan 2021 3 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

So after we had a torrential downpour and I had to go inside to take a nap while the patio (which was absolutely drenched) dried out, I went back outside and gave the steel spacer a coat of "Kawasaki Black" (well, Rustoleum, to be honest) to stop it from rusting, and called it good. Tomorrow I'm going for a ride, but I'll button up the rear end before moving on to the next job. ;D

Z1 Thursday 6 Jan 2021 7 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #171 on: January 07, 2022, 02:55:01 AM »
Well today I served King and Country, and had my booster shot. I thought I better type this tonight, it was a Pfizer shot, so my arm might have fallen off by tomorrow.

Z1 Friday 7 Jan 2021 0 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

The wife got her jab too, and was most miffed that she didn't get a card, so stalked back over to the dude who gave her the shot and asked for a card, he offered her a blank card that she could fill out herself? How's that for security, we should have asked for 10 and sold them to our unvaxxed neighbours...... She wanted a McDonalds chocolate sundae as a treat on the way home, so I bought myself a quarter pounder, my third McDonalds burger since 2018. Wasn't bad, actually.

I wandered outside and fitted the rear wheel, brake stay arm and Emgo repro shocks. They look pretty crappy, so will probably work as well as OEM of the period.

Z1 Friday 7 Jan 2021 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Between 1973 and 1977, Kawasaki used 2 slightly different electrical panels for the Z1/KZ900/KZ1000. Somehow or other I ended up with both. It took me most of the afternoon to work out which one I need for my Z1-B.

Z1 Friday 7 Jan 2021 5 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I guessed this one due to the older single fuse, and it turns out I was right.

Z1 Friday 7 Jan 2021 3 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

And that was pretty much my day, tomorrow I'm dragging Spotty away from whatever he's doing to help me drag home a CX500 frame and rear wheel, plus some other bits. Years ago I bought a rough, but running CX500 "Shadow" for my son's first bike and like any self respecting 20-something, he started to chop the frame up (with help from moi) to build a sweet custom.

Just as we were standing back, proud of our achievements with the hacksaw and angle grinder, the law changed and we would have to take it to an engineer for approval before we could get it registered, (never gonna happen with my birdsh1t welds) so we did the right thing, and left it to rot under a tarp for several years. I actually do feel guilty, which must come with old age, as I wouldn't have cared less when I was a teenager. Oh well.

Tomorrow I intend to right that wrong and mate it to a frame of the same vintage, put some cheap Stinko tyres on it, hopefully get it going, and sell it. Probably........ ;D
 
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #172 on: January 07, 2022, 03:55:12 AM »
The CX custom isn't my cuppa tea but I like the Std/Deluxe and the GL500/650. The CX650 custom is an awful ergonomic abomination but it does have the 650 motor which is much nicer than the 500. If the 650 came out in the original CX introduction Honda would have sold a lot more CXs. IMHO

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« Reply #173 on: January 07, 2022, 05:29:38 AM »
It's good karma getting that CX back among the living. Plus it'll be gone!

Good on ya for getting boosters, I'm not sure when we'll be getting ours but hopefully soon. I agree the cards are necessary.
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Re: Terry's new Kawasaki Z1B build, the OCD special...........
« Reply #174 on: January 07, 2022, 07:27:09 AM »
We're all boostered here too. Maui has a lot of cases lately plus Maui gets many tourists each day so no telling about exposure to Covid19.
We mask up when we go out.
1973 CB 750 K3
10/72 build Z1 Kawasaki