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So did a quick test between bulbs. Now I am using the smaller vintage turn signals versus the standard bigger ones but the results should be very similar.

The Bulbs I tested were.

1. Standard 1156 Full Size Tungsten Bulb

2. Standard 1156 Mini Size Tungsten Bulb

3. Superbrightleds A-12 Amber 105 lumens
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/miniature-and-subminiature-bulbs/67-led-light-bulb-12-smd-led-tower-ba15s-base/3698/8010/

4. Superbrightleds  A-18 Amber 250 lumens
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/miniature-and-subminiature-bulbs/1156-boat-and-rv-led-light-bulb-18-smd-led-tower-ba15s-retrofit-base-325-lumens/2337/722/#tab/specifications

5. Superbrightleds A-27 Amber 310 lumens
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1156-boat-and-rv-led-light-bulb-27-smd-led-tower-ba15s-retrofit-base-420-lumens/2623/5696/

This is so you can get an idea of LEDs vs Tungsten for your signals. I chose superbrightleds cause they make good stuff

Lastly I realized I put Ba9s on the pictures, disregard that it is 1156 I just didnt feel like re-exporting the pictures

Have fun !

Update 07/07/20 with Headlight.

So I added a test of the stock sealed beam against a H4 replacement 45/45watt halogen and LED.  I am usually against LED because nothing says modern then a very blue 6000kelvin light. Plus what is the point of that! If you put a daylight light in your bike it will be harder to see you during the day?!? So I found this cool company that does vintage color temperature bulbs so you get the benefit of light and power draw with LED but maintain the color temperature of a classic !
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That's a nice fair comparison done under controlled conditions, thank you.

I tried to photograph an LED turn with my mobile phone once, completely unreliable for comparison due to automatic exposure.

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But... it's all about brightness... again, (sigh). Brightness is not a quality in itself.
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But... it's all about brightness... again, (sigh). Brightness is not a quality in itself.

Agreed that is how mosts tests are and that is why I showed how the light patterns are and areas they hit . That is why I personally am not going to use LED turn signals cause the light pattern wasn't that great but definitely going to keep the LED 3000 Kelvin headlight
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I like that LED headlight, how well does it show up in daylight?  Where did you find it with the vintage color temperature? And are they available in different sizes (like the odd-ball 6 1/2" ish headlamp in my CB175  ::)).

I agree with you on the signals, the savings in electricity isn't worth the reduction in side visibility. 
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I like that LED headlight, how well does it show up in daylight?  Where did you find it with the vintage color temperature? And are they available in different sizes (like the odd-ball 6 1/2" ish headlamp in my CB175  ::)).

I agree with you on the signals, the savings in electricity isn't worth the reduction in side visibility.

Oh the light pops out in daylight unlike most LEDs which color temperature is the same as daylight. So tungsten color sticks out well.

The Company that sells the bulb is a company called Dogstar https://www.dogstar-trading.com/led-sirius-classic
I believe I ordered the bulb from webike

Lastly the housing , the cb175 has just of a strange size as the cb350f.  Your part reference number is 33120-292-673 (https://www.cmsnl.com/honda-cb175k6-super-sport-1972-usa_model422/unit-head-light_33120292673/#.XwZcCpNKht8)

Here are H4 housing fits based off the part number for cb175

https://www.common-motor.com/honda-cb-headlight-lens-bulb

Also here are addition H4 housings that would probably work. Just remember Japan and UK drives on the wrong side of the road

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/2FastMoto-Honda-Halogen-H4-Headlight-Assembly-Unit-CB350-CB350F-331W0-292-750/202871506008?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item2f3c158458:g:noIAAOSwL9BeE3h8&enc=AQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkrmmq8hWevtuKE7%2F%2BLfVXtjIRLVW3nZ0ED1iuTzhoY5KEXnYFGDI%2BynOqj2Ud03CoqC0vSb6vBDkgaBTg5wLL2yVAy6AXfUmJxhfuQj52fsu8mIWwwpMXuNZ3RLHkpqgJWyY79aYlx6NWcUEBJL5U%2Fyct7UlW0MNSh9UuL3I5oer8dlXLPWMWRmTHhj3gMFeofvXxA%2Fy0u6bcjyMGpBbpWmPCGvFMXzKWJoiyBNQzE2FPWzFVOE2pyDMOwOoy446%2F7Plfcs%2BvRXWq35tf6wNn2huvqQ5L1fCP4V4fQzs8xJ2%2FDTjsWmju6jwwY8xj%2BwXrVSpIJRZGrueLp45aY4wGqMqSwCKU%2BwkmRAuSwi5iu%2BDk9HwlatpEfRwDhcCeU3OiIpMztAB2H%2BTxzKkcOS4%2F0iPWeIJl2gZdIDlxzpts9tTJoa5BLrhh1ph9%2Beqx3ondLGhlN9VpUlAqlXaXMuTirCrLswCqtQ0i%2BJYyEcCVvAQ5q01iq0AzUUjBjRAHPqWWryJl7jjQ%2FyU54e8zcOTvH%2Fqhe3Y2O4caoNi4MQzrlLVk4etCqsfiN5A5bGAhpmcr1irqsJtPA8xGbC4GWxCuamvH17qtT9jjPbsrLXgu0F4a5X8b%2F1n%2F0sVTvqLeqmsh6oTQXAUP8Jk%2FNuMYeHqYXSA%2FU2ruMcPAKMvCmmVGwRC17VOK9SyJbr61a1bm6zKACL%2FO4YhDthVJFXLlASgykbmNPsYHrFEX0HB8ynRDToNePSaT37rGUnerFj5VqP%2F55CJpSN5MfsziWKFzLekolg%3D%3D&checksum=2028715060080b9c56b5b409418bb4ff2cc4d123359b

CB-4
https://www.cb-four.com/cgi-bin/shop/__Headlight-insert-Honda-CB350F-CB400F-H4-new__280244132720-32i_01.05.html

BRC
https://japan.webike.net/products/21726680.html

MARSHALL
http://www.win-pmc.com/replace_cb400four/02.html

CANDLEPOWER
https://store.candlepower.com/638inhe.html

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https://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/search/search?p=cb400f+cibie&va=cb400f+cibie&exflg=1&b=1&n=50&s1=bidorbuy&o1=a





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This should be added in the Tips and Tricks section and saved as a sticky. Its a very through test and I really appreciate the comparison.

Great info! Thank you!
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But... it's all about brightness... again, (sigh). Brightness is not a quality in itself.

What is your critique here? The LED headlight bulb has been shown in this post to have comparable colour to OEM and increased brightness/visibility of the road ahead compared to OEM and H4 bulbs (see the Dogstar link for further info). If increased awareness of the road ahead is an important parameter in your night time riding then this is good information to have that LED headlights can increase the field of view of the road ahead. A solid piece of well researched and well documented information in contrast to many subjective posts.

From the Dogstar website:

"The actual brightness is more different than the halogen bulb compared to the image. The object in front has a stronger contrast than halogen and is clearly visible."

 i.e. good if you ride at night.

Do you ride at night at all? Do you think the OEM bulb is sufficient? It may well be in the Dutch metropolis where you have adequate street lightning but think about those of us who have to navigate dark poorly-lit  country roads or highways filled with deer or other nocturnal animals. Speaking for myself I value this kind of research where the OP has taken the time and effort to detail his finding in a clearly explained post. Easy to armchair from the Netherlands and give it a negative but why not make your post constructive rather than non-constructive?

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Andy, if you had closely read my posts about headlights, you would have known my concern has always been about night vision in the first place. If there has been one, who continuously has stressed the importance of it, it has been me. You might also have learned that I avoid riding in the city as much as possible. That's why I have never fallen victim to the 'poor charging system'. Is not only me that has communicated that sofar the conventional 55/60 Watts H4 that has its filament exactly in the right spot, behind a good lens offers the best beam pattern for safe riding at night. This combination also happens to be legal. For being noticed during the day, almost anything is good enough, as long as it doesn't irritate oncoming traffic. For bikes a slight yellowish coloured DRL has proved safest, as it makes bikes stand out from the rest of the traffic (like in rear view mirrors of cars in front of them). It's not me, it's research, done here in Europe, but I see no reason why the results would not apply to other continents. Because of this, some bikers have already changed their OEM headlamps accordingly (see pic). Below that a pic of my ideal DRL, just a modest and certainly not irritating dot. The third pic is a known good Marchal headlamp that will offer you maximum safety. Marchal has quite a reputation, like CibiƩ, Bosch and Hella have. Maybe you can inform us what reputation China has... Most of the LED thingies made there, are not even approved and many, at least IMO, aren't worth the packaging they arrive in. They do great in advertising though, stressing the thousands of this and thousands of that. It is enough to make those susceptible, drool like a Pavlov dog and - having the money already burning in their pocket -, leave them not able to resist buying stuff, that so wonderflul matches their fantasies and then as a bonus experience this 'Christmas present rush' when it arrives. It has nothing to do with the persuit of quality however. Yes, Andy, this post has not only been about headlamps, it has also been about us. Maybe that is what you don't like.
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But... it's all about brightness... again, (sigh). Brightness is not a quality in itself.

Well, it is, but it isn't the only quality to consider when selecting a headlight. Where it falls depends on where you tend to ride your bike.

If I spent all my time riding on the well lit streets and highways in and around Chicago then how well the light illuminates the road would be of less importance than how much more visible the light is to oncoming traffic and people looking to turn out onto a road in front of me.
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For me it would be color and night time visibility. I can spot the old Harley in the pack by its headlight color, and that makes me happy.  But I still want to make it home but my headlight illuminates the pavement. No headlight will ever save me from an unpredictable deer, that's down to the way you ride.

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For me it would be color and night time visibility. I can spot the old Harley in the pack by its headlight color, and that makes me happy.  But I still want to make it home but my headlight illuminates the pavement. No headlight will ever save me from an unpredictable deer, that's down to the way you ride.

Agreed and I don't think a 70's Honda would look good with 12 of these stuck on them! lol
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James, how about a comparison of the headlights shining down a stretch of road, as in real world use? Oh, and those deer whistles also work for elephants; I've never had an elephant dart out in front of me on any vehicle equipped with them. ;D   
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James, how about a comparison of the headlights shining down a stretch of road, as in real world use? Oh, and those deer whistles also work for elephants; I've never had an elephant dart out in front of me on any vehicle equipped with them. ;D

Sure I can do a comparison this weekend on a road.  Just know this is Los Angeles so finding darkness is pretty tough
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Could you do the brake light as well? 

I did my headlight awhile ago with the lens replacement and this light:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GM4PPKC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and I love it especially since I commute at night.  Lights up the whole road and then some.
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Could you do the brake light as well? 

I did my headlight awhile ago with the lens replacement and this light:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GM4PPKC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and I love it especially since I commute at night.  Lights up the whole road and then some.

Well I can tell you in the meantime the tail light standard bulb does around 27/8 watts pull and the bulbs typical lumens is 402/38.  Now this is your standard incandescent bulb with the red reflector so the reflector will absorb some of the light. So grabbing a bulb to LED is a little tricky you want to keep it the same color as the reflector so more light passes through. You can't compared it one to one.  The bulb I put in my tail light is 26 lumens on the running mode and 420 lumens on the braking which the pull is basically 1.3 watts/ 5.5 watts pull on it.  So if you are going by just the lumen numbers you would think they would match the incandescent bulb close....no...much brighter because of it being red. But I can see if I have time to do a test this weekend for you

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Here is your comparison for tail light bulbs. As you can see even though the lumens are less on the running light LED and the lumens are close on the braking light standard bulb, having the light be the same color as the reflector (red), keeps the intensity higher. So if you are looking for an LED replacement bulb for your tail light you don't have to match the original lumens as the stock bulb because RED LED will be brighter/fuller/less power draw
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This obsession with brightness... For generations we had standard bulbs for taillights and it was collectively agreed on. What do you think will happen, when everybody tries to outbright the other? In Europe a standard brake/taillight has always been 21/5 Watts and I have never heard of any complaints. Do you really think, saving 3 or 4 Watts is a great achievement?
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