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Offline Old Moe Toe

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Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« on: August 26, 2020, 01:25:35 AM »
I got a painter to quote me on a new paint job (Sunrise Orange flake 750K2) as well as installing a quality tank liner.
I nearly fell over when he told me how much it might cost. He did say in his defense that he would use 2 pac paint as well as painting the black and white tank stripe as opposed to using a sticker/decal.
Shipping aside, I see that a Yamiya tank and sidecover set would cost me not much more.
I asked Yamiya if they used 2 pac paint and the reply was that they do not know, they just trust the painters.
Be interested to hear feedback from people who have bought the Yamiya tank and sidecover sets regarding the quality of the product.
I do have a spray gun and compressor however have only ever used acrylic single color paints, never tried a flake type.
Be also interested to hear and maybe see results of those that have tried painting their own tank/sidecovers with a flake finish and how difficult or otherwise it is.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2020, 03:44:24 AM »
an original sunrise metalflake orange paint from honda required a candy silver base coat, then a silver flake middle coat that contained the flakes, then a candytone orange final coat. ( there was no clear coat back in the day) . The final shade you see on the part is determined by how many final coats were applied.....It's a tricky process.
     there may be shortcuts today from some paint suppliers that make honda paint kits.
    I thinks it hard to beat the yamiya parts....brand new tank. ...no lining required etc.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2020, 11:32:50 AM »
What did he quote to paint the tank and covers?  Is this including prepping the surfaces?  You can save some money by prepping it yourself and having any holes masked off so he just has to hang it in the booth.

Spraying a real tricoat isn't as hard as everyone makes it out to be, unless you're trying to blend.  Since you're respraying... if you want to do it yourself with an HVLP gun at 20-30PSI do some spray patterns (look online at how to do this) at 6-10 inches away.  Once you're satisfied spray your sealer, wait for it to flash off.  Spray your base like you normally would, the second coat for the metallic spray at 6-10 inches, then do a second coat (while still wet) at 12-18 inches, then finally a third coat at about 24 inches away while wet.  Don't go crazy, the second and third wet coats are to help the metallic lay out evenly.  Do the same thing for the candy clear coat.

That's a general guideline, you can get some spray-out cards and test how many coats for the mid and final coat.  Be certain to use the proper sealer colour that is recommended by the paint vendor.  Don't just spray generic "mid" gray if it does not call for it.

Also, does your painter specialize in hand painting pin stripes?  If not, don't use him to do the stripes as there may be rework or overspray, etc.  If you must have the stripes cleared over then it may make sense to have it sprayed minus the final clear coat, then lightly scuff the surface with gray scotch brite after it flashes and have someone who specializes in hand pinstripes do it within the next 24 hours.  Check with your paint supplier, but usually its about 24 hours in between base and clear coat for modern stuff.  After the pin striping has dried, again do a light gray scotch brite over it and then finally do your clear.  However, for all that work, I'd rather spend the $100 on the decal, clear over the decal in the booth (with gray scotch brite of course).
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2020, 11:48:48 AM »
 Unless your tank had pin holes, in which case an expensive paint job wouldn't be worth it, installing a liner is just asking for trouble. Any misstep in the prep could cause it to peel away.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2020, 11:51:24 AM »
Unless your tank had pin holes, in which case an expensive paint job wouldn't be worth it, installing a liner is just asking for trouble. Any misstep in the prep could cause it to peel away.

True, this is assuming the tank is in good shape.
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2020, 12:02:34 PM »
The beauty of Yamiya.. being a brand new tank.
 But some like liners.. maybe they deserve them.
  A FEW years back , I offered up unused 400 F tank.  Had a few dings, shelf wear , original paint, cap, decals.
I was asking 150 or 140 I think.  Got informed by several that was too much, cuz you can get a beat tank on ebay, and put a bag (liner) in it for around the same..
 I  said hey, rot free, unused tank..... if you rather have one with a bag in it ..go right ahead.. i hate tanks with bags in them, why bother if you can have real steel..
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2020, 02:26:06 PM »
Yamiya paint is very good quality. Yamiya doesnt know, because they arent the painters. There is no question that their painter is doing it the right way. I think it is safe to assume that yamiya paint will be show-worthy and long-lasting. At least, it has been for me (I bought a gold K0 set and am happy with it).
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2020, 03:26:20 PM »
Thanks for the responses.
Maraakate; The painter said it could cost $1500 AUD which included a quality tank liner. I paid $1500 for the bike when I first bought it however it owes me more than that now. The tank is not leaking but does have some rust on the bottom seams so I was thinking a POR liner may have been a good pre-emptive option. I have heard of lots of people who have installed them with the right prep and had long lasting results.

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2020, 03:35:54 PM »
If you use the tank and drive the bike fairly often and its relatively clean it's probably OK.
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2020, 06:43:24 PM »
In response to the Yamiya question..... here’s a K0 I built a few years ago. Used their full kit: headlight, fork ears, tank, sidecovers, airbox, and badges. Quality, fit, finish, shipping, packaging were all superb. Not cheap, but I was impressed.

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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2020, 07:55:26 PM »
Whichever you decide, share the "after" pics!
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2020, 09:09:30 PM »
  Benelli, that looks great. It is just like my 70 that I bought new. It's going to cost me two or three times what I payed for it new.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2020, 01:32:06 AM »
NEW tank is nice.
My K6 got a new set from Yamiya soon 6 years ago (avatar bike). The only detail is only old dual piped petcock available, not as K5,K6 had on left side, one piped petcock.
It is just to switch side of the idle screw if using stock carbs on K5, K6.

I do not trust liner... too many posts here about failing liners.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2020, 08:46:35 AM »

True, this is assuming the tank is in good shape.


Also assuming the side covers are in good shape. I wouldn't want to spend the dough for paint for a set of original plastic knowing they'll crack when I look at them. I took off my originals to preserve them and bought a set of Yamiya's because of that. The Yamiya covers are excellent too.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2020, 09:40:24 AM »
My K3 is an all Yamiya event. Tank, fork ears, headlight, side covers. I wanted the K0 color scheme like my original K0 back in the day. They sent it all perfectly packaged and flawless. Candy Blue Green is tough to replicate, they did a great job. Shipping right now is a challenge.
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2020, 04:53:07 PM »

True, this is assuming the tank is in good shape.


Also assuming the side covers are in good shape. I wouldn't want to spend the dough for paint for a set of original plastic knowing they'll crack when I look at them. I took off my originals to preserve them and bought a set of Yamiya's because of that. The Yamiya covers are excellent too.

Do the 750 covers use inferior plastic?  My 550 and even my 400 Twin sidecovers seem to be decent plastic that holds up.  Never had cracking issues with them.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2020, 06:09:19 AM »
Marakate, the plastic is the same.  Hoeever the total design is different.  Keep in mind, cb750 has one sidecover in close contact with the oil tank, which gets very hot.  Surprisingly, that is not the cover most usually broken.  I think the lh sidecover, because of its simpler design, has less reinforcement, and thus is more often found broken.
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2020, 06:52:59 AM »
At over 40 yrs old the plastic is both age and uv hardened and cracks easily when the tabs get tight in the equaly old rubber grommets
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2020, 06:53:52 AM »
Marakate, the plastic is the same.  Hoeever the total design is different.  Keep in mind, cb750 has one sidecover in close contact with the oil tank, which gets very hot.  Surprisingly, that is not the cover most usually broken.  I think the lh sidecover, because of its simpler design, has less reinforcement, and thus is more often found broken.

If you use a bit of red rubber or silicon grease on the tabs and/or the rubbers and pull gently you should not have any problems with fitting, and more importantly, removing the covers without cracking them.

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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2020, 08:32:53 AM »
When 750 side covers are in normal steady use , the grommets tend to get loose and covers pull off easy .
 Left sides fly off... the rights stay on because the oil cap holds them..
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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2020, 09:36:11 AM »
And the grommets tend to harden. Buy a new set and lube them for easier insertion of the side cover tabs.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2020, 11:08:43 AM »
My stock K6 side covers cracked easy when max 3 years old.
My Yamiya covers have not cracked. Have been on for 5 years now.

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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2020, 03:12:04 PM »
I believe the Yamiya covers are better plastic than stock.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2020, 09:47:43 PM »
Okay, I didn't know the 750 ones had flaws that made them easy to lose or break.  That's unfortunate.
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Re: Yamiya Tank and sidecover sets.
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2020, 10:16:52 PM »
I replaced my stock covers with fiberglass versions that were very durable. Popular aftermarket parts here in the 70's.
I still have them.
They have flat sides without indents for 750 Four badges and diamonds.
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