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Rider training videos
« on: November 06, 2020, 07:20:27 AM »
 Youtube, Bret Tkacs has some rider videos that explain some aspects of my riding habits. I think if I understand more I'll be a safer rider. He mentions things I did and how I got into trouble on my bike.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2020, 07:23:55 AM »
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2020, 07:25:38 AM »
 Braking in a turn is info that I needed. Our bikes may not have all of the anti squat and anti dive designed into the bikes he's referring to.  I know I use the rear brake into/before a turn and throttle out I need to watch more until I understand what I'm doing.
 I'm thinking I want to work on my gl1000's stopping distance with the V65 front brakes. I did a lot of braking practice on my triple disc F1 750 not as much since then.  My K0's aren't as impressive stopping. They need work too.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2020, 08:06:04 AM »
Strongly encourage you to watch or take a Keith Code (Twist of the Wrist) video or one their classes (California Super Bike School). I took 2 of my sons recently to build on their skills and both (me as well despite 40 years of riding) improved greatly. Much more confidence and understanding for both of them as a result.

Only downside is keeping up with them in the mountains now  >:(
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2020, 03:17:13 PM »
Yeah Don!  It is crazy when you realize that even our old, outdated bikes' technology is capable of more than most of our riding ability.  The only way to catch up is to safely practice and improve your skills.  I like Keith Code's stuff.  Even though he is mostly talking about getting faster on track, it all applies to good control under, as well as over, the speed limit.  His most important lessons, in my opinion, are how to use your eyes and what your brain needs to do with that information.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2020, 05:49:37 PM »
 I always thought trail braking was done with the rear brake. I use it and the throttle on tight slow turns to pitch the bike over and then stand it up. There's a tight 110* turn near here I love to turn tight and power it out. Last year I was going to do that but noticed a piece of flat sheet metal in the street right in the turn. That would have been fun. I stopped and picked it up, was a piece of the floor of a car. WoW. 
  I rode today around a local park with some nice banked turns thinking about the video and realized I'm probably just "old man riding" and always have. My odds of overcooking it in a turn are a lot less these days.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2020, 12:19:05 AM »
Hey, everybody has to find ways to approach the limits safely.  I been doing it in the dirt, riding single track trails.  Its pretty fun to be getting out of control at a low enough speed that you can crash into a tree, get up, check out the bike and ride on.

I watch a lot of road racing on youtube.  I see guys backing it into corners at crazy speeds.  I have no concept of how guys can do that.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2020, 12:49:04 AM »
I like how the man teaching the class in that video spoke about 'trail braking' which,I see(imo) as entering a corner on the street 'hot' and going into the corner with the throttle set and a very light foot on the rear brake at the start of a corner:it helps the rear of the bike squat-down a little in the rear and loads the rear wheel.When I do it right,I can adjust how much i load each tire's traction to do it equally front and rear so I don't overload just one tire's traction or have the weight shift back and forth /front to rear with the suspension.. Makes for a smooth transition through the corner at speed.
The variable is always(imo) 'What or who is going to throw themselves into my lane while I'm leaned-over in that corner',be it a dog/animal,child,person or(could also be a slippery substance on the road surface..) vehicle:then be sure I'm comfortable with how much traction I still have left for an evasive maneuver.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2020, 03:16:55 AM »
"Trail" braking is not a reference to the rear brake; it refers to "trailing off the brakes" as you enter a corner. Trailing=smooth, slow release of the brake lever as opposed to "flicking" the lever loose.

Rear brakes "should" be used in conjunction with the front, but this is a very, very debated topic. Lots of MotoGP riders don't even use their rear brakes. Others, "back it in" (intentionally causing the rear tire to slide) to aide in getting the bike pointed in a very acute angle more quickly. There are other techniques of rear brake while in the corner to again, help steer the bike's direction plus offer some extra safety while leaned but reducing the speed.

But the front brake is critical to stopping and should be engaged proportionally to the throttle (throttle off, brakes on, brake off, throttle on). Throttle chopping cause the bike to become unbalanced whereas braking causes the bike's mass to transfer reliably. That is why you "trail off" the front brake to move weight from front-to-rear in the corner and be in position to throttle out of a corner.

It is my experience that despite decades of riding, many of us probably do some of these things innately, but we might also do them poorly. I always marvel at how much better I ride after some these track training sessions. Whether it's reminding myself, or being more conscious of what I am doing, or simply that you spend time on a track riding well beyond the limits of the street and gaining comfort, competence or experience at 50* lean angles at 60+ MPH and realizing the bike can do it. Something you might never likely try on the street due to safety and legal reasons.

It honestly also taught me how critical good suspension is to raise the confidence bar. I personally believe tires and suspension deliver more speed, control and safety than anything else on a bike. Brakes are surely important, but traction is everything in my book.
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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2020, 04:45:04 AM »
Hey, everybody has to find ways to approach the limits safely.  I been doing it in the dirt, riding single track trails.  Its pretty fun to be getting out of control at a low enough speed that you can crash into a tree, get up, check out the bike and ride on.

I watch a lot of road racing on youtube.  I see guys backing it into corners at crazy speeds.  I have no concept of how guys can do that.

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Re: Rider training videos
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2020, 09:00:33 AM »
 We got in some riding yesterday, I had a couple instances of cagers approaching our path as if they weren't going to stop. I did begin to preload the front brake and realized I haven't serviced the forks on this one even though I did put bigger calipers on it.  That's what I'm headed out to do next.
 Between our weight loss and rear shock preload adjustments the ride quality is a lot better. 

 I'm listening to Keith Code now.
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