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Dragging clutch 550K0
« on: October 12, 2020, 03:12:57 AM »
Hi all,
I have a slightly dragging clutch even though it is correctly adjusted and still has plenty of adjustment left in the cable. Seems to be worse if left for a week or so ( yes I know the cure, don't leave it for a week or so :)  Seriously folks, is there are cure without dismantling the clutch? Initially the bike will creep forward when put into gear and neutral is hard to find, but improves as the bike warms. Revs still drop when put into gear, though. I assume it's the plates sticking, can I alleviate the problem by slipping the clutch and burnishing the plates that way? Or does the clutch need pulling apart ? I know it's not a huge job, but I've just got the clutch cover oil tight and don't want to buy another gasket. It's got fresh M\cycle oil in it.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2020, 03:21:14 AM »
It's got fresh M\cycle oil in it.
I myself have never experienced a slipping clutch no matter what oil was in there (my CB500 doesn't even need JASO), but... if the problem occurred right after the oil change, I'd suspect the oil.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2020, 01:21:23 PM »
The bike has been sitting, unused for many ( 25?) years. PO had done some work on it, but never ridden it. I purchased it and changed the oil as a precaution. The clutch was sticking as purchased. Has only done 100 miles in my hands; maybe it will free up with use? Gear changing on the move is slick.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2020, 10:20:20 PM »
What oil are you using?
Clutch should settle in some when ran but do not expect vast difference. MA2 wet clutch rated oil is going to be best.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2020, 10:33:37 PM »
I stupidly used the oil supplied by PO without checking it. It's 20\50 engine oil. Too thick?  No, not me, the oil. Would explain why it improves slightly when warm.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2020, 01:30:44 AM »
20W50 is the correct summer weight for the air cooled SOHC4 bikes. Spectro and BelRay make very good mineral oil oils for our 4T motorcycles.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2020, 01:41:58 AM »
Depends on ambient temperature, if you are in a colder climate NOT COLD JUST A BIT COLDER 10W40 is better
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2020, 01:59:09 AM »
Says 10W40 on the filler cap. But is the oil viscosity the issue here?
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2020, 03:52:13 AM »
10W40 should be avoided today, formula changes in how they make it makes it unsuitable usually. Motorcycle oil is going to have sufficient ZDDP (zinc and phosphorus compounds) to protect the motor's non-roller rockers. The clutch as well...  Too much ZDDP isn't normally an issue, too much screws up clutches and isn't good either. 
10w40 has too many modifiers in it spreading the viscosity range. 30 is about the most you would want to use UNLESS it is a synthetic oil. Synthetic oils can achieve this without detrimental affects. I would use a 10w30 before I would use a 10w40.
Where are you and what kind of temps are you operating the bike I?
Here in AZ we are still in 100 to high 90s during day and 60s at night. We hit 58 in Tucson last night, been 125 days since it was that cool.
So, we are still in summer weight oils until probable late November or December. With synthetic oil in my primary bike I don't need to worry about it as it has the range.

Your clutch issues could be oil related, but not certain of that. It would be a peace of mind issue for me.
Having a good motorcycle oil in the bike does make a big difference on shifting and running . Sometimes a good oil makes the difference in finding neutral easily or not.
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2020, 04:57:56 AM »
10W-40 is recommended by Honda when operating in all temperatures. But not many of us ride in temperatures below zero degrees. Honda France recommended 20W-40, for most of us probably the best choice. A Dutch tribologist who worked for Castrol and published in a magazine for pro's in the automotive field and who owned himself a CB550K3, used 15W-40. That's what I use. I have best results with Castrol 15W-40 which used to be named High Mileage. It helps keeping the rubber seals elastic. How many of you have had to change the shifter seal? Mine leaked a little bit too. Now hardly anymore. Although the package doesn't specify JASO, I don't worry. Here's why.
1) I never had the clutch slip.
2) Break-in period is decades ago.
3) Could well be my oil meets JASO, but Castrol simply choose not to inform you because they have a complete line of 'motorcycle oils' for a higher price. For instance, the Shell Rotella you all love so much overthere, is also sold here under the name Rimula. On the Rotella package it says: JASO. Not on the Rimula package here. Does that mean Rimula doesn't meet JASO? We don't know. Could well be Shell here choose not to inform you, because here they offer a complete line of 'motorcycle oils' for a higher price. I myself wouldn't go -50 unless in extreme conditions that I have never met, not in Spain, nor in Greece. BTW, in France it usually gets pretty hot too. Don't aim for a higher oil pressure at all costs. Chance is it will make life harder for your engine as a thicker oil will flow slower. I prefer to have my oil circulate as fast as possibly can, to achieve maximum cooling. Also you want the oil to arrive at the camshaft as quick as possible. That's where the wear takes place, not at the bottom end which is practically indestructible.
Back then Honda choose Castrol. In cold start tests Honda had carried out, Castrol arrived the quickest at the camshaft and so became the winner. But... those tests were done late sixties, early 70s. :)
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2020, 05:44:24 AM »
Oil has changed a lot since these bikes came out and you can no longer obtain the formulation of Castrol from the 60s and 70s. Thus, you cannot state Honda specified it as the thing to do and it still be true if that thing is not tied to a constant.

In light of the changes in oil over the decades you can considerr the viscosity range recommended as a rule of thumb.

That is my point.

If it works for you Delta, then keep doing it. If it doesn't then consider change.

HondaMan related an experience with Honda's own oil a few decades ago where they were overdosing with ZDDP their own oil. It took a teardown of the clutch for him to restore the clutch operation as it quickly clogged up with excess zinc and rendered the clutch inoperable. The clutch failure quickly followed an oil change. Once he changed to a different oil and thoroughly cleaned the clutch pack he was able to get the bike running normal.
So, even mother Honda screws up sometimes...
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Re: Dragging clutch 550K0
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2020, 08:02:21 AM »
Zinc is the least of my concerns. Let me say this: if there was a problem concerning lubrication and my type of bike, information would have reached me long ago via other channels than just posts on some forum.
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