Topic: Sturgis redux

[calj737]

IMO, it's the same with man-made climate change deniers, and more often than not they're going to be the same people.

Yup, that’s us. The folks who ask, “How good is your data when your projection fails?” Weren’t we just days away from the eastern seaboard being swallowed up when the honorable Al Gore gave us that warning, some 20 years ago? Hmmmm. Wasn’t true that in fact the sea temps cooled when projected to rise? Makes the sensible person question the accuracy of “scientific experts”.

Now I have seen profound evidence of maritime disasters in the ecological realm and don’t deny its dire. But, there is strong evidence to suggest that it’s not “atmospheric” influence but debris/contamination based. Sure, that is a man made factor, but it has little to do with the carbon footprint of my V8 auto or the cows farting in the meadow out behind the shop.

But if pigeon-holing folks with a broad brush is your thing, hey who am I to say boo. It’s your right. And I appreciate the espiración being uttered from behind your mask.

[Gordon]

And I appreciate the espiración being uttered from behind your mask.

That gave me a good chuckle!  Thank you for that.

And thank you for helping to confirm my theory. 

[jgger]

I have lived through the comming ice age and survived the melting of the glaciers,  so I might be immune to climate "change". Through out history man has always been threatened with the " WE'RE ALL GIONG TO DIE" theories, and yes we are all going to die. But to die you must first live, so if you want to condem me from under your rock, that's fine.  Just please keep your rock out of my path and I will live my life.

[carnivorous chicken]

I wonder why that happens? 

Totally admit to exasperation and incredulity-fueled sarcasm and likely misunderstood attempts at humor -- a Zoolander reference and a Willy Wonka reference in one post. But it the sh1tshow was because it devolved into a political pissing contest, which hasn't happened here. Just the usual denial of science to justify selfish behavior -- as plenty of others have pointed out. If it's not entertaining to some degree most people probably just ignore the thread.

[ofreen]

But it the sh1tshow was because it devolved into a political pissing contest, which hasn't happened here. Just the usual denial of science to justify selfish behavior -- as plenty of others have pointed out. If it's not entertaining to some degree most people probably just ignore the thread.

I won't say it isn't entertaining.  But do you see what you did above?  Rather than answer points made, you characterize any disagreement as justifying selfishness.  Is it possible to disagree without denigrating others or their motives?  It should be, but I know how easy it is to slip into the habit of going after the person rather than just address the issue at hand.  Heck, even moderators can fall to temptation. 

And I appreciate the espiración being uttered from behind your mask.

That gave me a good chuckle!  Thank you for that.
And thank you for helping to confirm my theory. 

[Gordon]

Heck, even moderators can fall to temptation. 

I am but a man. 

[carnivorous chicken]

But it the sh1tshow was because it devolved into a political pissing contest, which hasn't happened here. Just the usual denial of science to justify selfish behavior -- as plenty of others have pointed out. If it's not entertaining to some degree most people probably just ignore the thread.

I won't say it isn't entertaining.  But do you see what you did above?  Rather than answer points made, you characterize any disagreement as justifying selfishness.  Is it possible to disagree without denigrating others or their motives?  It should be, but I know how easy it is to slip into the habit of going after the person rather than just address the issue at hand.  Heck, even moderators can fall to temptation. 

And I appreciate the espiración being uttered from behind your mask.

That gave me a good chuckle!  Thank you for that.
And thank you for helping to confirm my theory. 

When all the available evidence shows that wearing a mask is the best way -- objectively -- to prevent someone (knowingly or unknowingly) spreading a potentially lethal disease, how else can you describe someone willfully not wearing a mask? Ignorant? Constitutionally assertive? Grumpy?

[goodtryer]

Yep. All the available evidence.

https://rationalground.com/the-human-studies-cited-by-the-cdcs-recent-scientific-brief-do-not-support-community-masking/

[carnivorous chicken]

Yep. All the available evidence.

https://rationalground.com/the-human-studies-cited-by-the-cdcs-recent-scientific-brief-do-not-support-community-masking/

C'mon, GTFO with that. Where did you find this?

This is the part that is frustrating. Every single person on here has access to the same information that everyone else does, including information that reflects scientific consensus. And yet some people will either search for and find some random study by a fringe group that contradicts the scientific consensus, and, because it comports with their views it somehow carries as much weight as legitimate epidiological studies. This is what prompts -- and deserves -- joking and ridicule. Like saying, "See! Sweden didn't shut down so the US shouldn't" -- without acknowledging the completely different circumstances (or the failures of Sweden).

Why is the USA doing so poorly, comparatively speaking, than all of the other developed countries in the world? Isn't there a simple answer? Could it be that a significant number people refuse to wear masks and take precautions?

Seriously, c'mon you guys. Just a reminder -- quarter of a million dead.

[scottly]

Yep. All the available evidence.

https://rationalground.com/the-human-studies-cited-by-the-cdcs-recent-scientific-brief-do-not-support-community-masking/

Your "evidence" actually shows how effective social distancing and masks were here in AZ.

[calj737]

And thank you for helping to confirm my theory.

And just when you think you know all the answers, you have only proved you have stopped asking the right questions.

[goodtryer]

Read past the part you liked because you agree with it.

“ The study observed, “In Arizona, decreases in daily COVID-19 cases were observed after … mandated and enforced mask wearing,” among a host of other mitigation efforts. This statement was followed by, “the relationship between mitigation measures and changes in case counts are temporal correlations and should not be interpreted to infer causality.” Which makes one wonder: what’s the point of the study?”

“Anyhow, if the CDC is going to use such temporal evidence to support the idea of mask effectiveness, they have an ethical duty to also consider the opposite, where mask mandates do not have a temporal relationship to a decline in cases. Ian Miller has posted dozens of such charts at RationalGround.com here and here. Cherry-picking one study that happens to have mask-wearing coincide with a case decrease is disingenuous. Also, it is now clear the masks weren’t the driver in Arizona’s case reduction in July since they are still wearing masks and cases have begun to rise again.”

[goodtryer]

Are they wearing masks in New York?

[goodtryer]

Spain seems nice.

[scottly]

Nice try, but that is bull#$%*. The "restrictions" imposed by the governor on 3-31 meant restaurants could only serve food to go, bars, gyms, and movie theaters were closed. There was never a federal or state mandate to wear a mask, although the governor did eventually recommend them.
On 5-15 those restrictions were removed, and cases and deaths went up, from 1,047 deaths on 6-8 to 2,000 on 7-9. (The governor had ordered the bars, gyms etc to close again 6-29) The death toll was 4,137 by 8-8. Thanks to most people doing the right thing, the numbers were low enough to allow a return to in person school by early October, but now numbers are going up again, and large numbers of people aren't wearing masks, much more than two months ago.

[goodtryer]

Can we agree that nobody’s mind is going to be changed by anything said on this topic?

Maybe get back to motorcycles?

I’d like to get back to motorcycles.

[scottly]

I’d like to get back to motorcycles.

No problem, just stop posting semi factoids on a subject you don't fully understand. BTW, the state of Texas is now approaching the same level of Covid emergency as AZ was in last July.

[goodtryer]

I knew I could count on you.

I guess we'll keep going...

Looks like the masks are working great in Miami!

But maybe I don't understand charts.

[scottly]

None are so blind as those who will not see.

[goodtryer]

Help me see...

Are the masks working in Hawaii? They must be unless the chart is wrong.

[Don R]

 Statistics will say anything if you torture them long enough.  Or get your into from Breitbart.
 

[goodtryer]

Excellent explanation!

Let’s move on to the Philippines. They clearly don’t understand the mask science!

[carnivorous chicken]

I think I totally get it, goodtryer. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc -- amiright?

[goodtryer]

That seems to be the consensus on this thread...


"People outside not wearing masks (as well as people inside not wearing masks) spread Covid to the neighboring states and to an unknowable amount of people all across the country. A majority of the pople who live in Sturgis wanted to postpone the rally, but politicians caved to business interests and allowed the rally. As a result, there are infections and deaths that could have been preventable, but some people just had to go to Sturgis -- in the name of "freedom"?"

[calj737]

Statistics will say anything if you torture them long enough.  Or get your into from Breitbart.

Or "mainstream media" sources. Those highly reliable and accurate reporters over at CNN, MSNBC and such. They're fool-proof with their "evidence". Fortunately, they get their inside information from the venerable Adam Schiff.