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Broken oil filter housings
« on: December 01, 2020, 06:32:01 PM »
In the last 3-4 years I have seen more broken oil filter housings (cracked, right thru the bolt hole) than in the previous 30 years. I started wondering if there was some 'life limit' to the aluminum, until it dawned on me that the year of the engine involved didn't match up with a chronology.

Then someone e-mailed me about his that just broke, during which he mentioned that his Clymer manual called for "19-24 ft-lbs torque" for this bolt (!!!!). That then rang a bell (like it was filled with concrete): Clymer typo'd away a decimal point in those numbers! The figure of 1.9-2.4 ft-lbs is much closer to what this should be reading, and I'd bet lunch that 24 ft-lbs will make short work of one of these filter housings.

Heck, even the head nuts on the 750 don't take that much torque! Don't do that... :o

Honda is once again offering the 'real' O-ring for these housings, too. It is a custom part in these bikes. The ones that come with EMGO or Tourmaster filters are NOT the correct ones, as they are much too skinny to seal. The cross-section of the correct one is 4.5mm, as in Honda part
O-RING (89X4.5) 91316-425-003
and this nice, thick one will last about 10 years under normal use. It just takes snugging down of the big bolt to make them seal (2 of them if you are using the F2/3 "tweener" oil cooler plate).

I just switched mine out (from 1980) to a new one, I think it was finally time... :)
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Re: Broken oil filter housings
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2020, 06:40:47 PM »
 Good thing I'm not a torque wrench person. About the only time I used one on these bikes was for the head and a few other engine block bolts. I've never had a leak with the o-rings in Fram filters yet. Whoops gotta be careful saying that naughty word  ;)  :D
  Two of a few things I always cross my fingers with on new to me projects. I hope the spark plugs come out and the oil filter bolt loosens up easily  !
« Last Edit: December 01, 2020, 06:49:15 PM by ekpent »

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Re: Broken oil filter housings
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2020, 07:14:45 PM »
Hondaman, here in Canada the Honda oil filter comes with both O-rings. Is it different in the US?
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Re: Broken oil filter housings
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2020, 07:21:32 PM »
they come with both as well.
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Re: Broken oil filter housings
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 02:33:06 AM »
Honda tried to make people to not overtighten by the head size of the oil bolt, 12mm. Enough with 1/4 socket wrench, 12mm socket and a gentle twist.

Too much, the o-ring will collapse and no seal.
I have ordered separate o-rings with OK size and thickness. 50 pcs pack.
EDIT:
Found O-rings here. 50 pack was good price.  100 cost just a little more.
https://www.bearingshopuk.co.uk/89-x-4-5mm-nitrile-70-o-ring-35739

Most o-rings delivered with filters are not good, a little bit thinner or only a weaker rubber. Some delivered with 2 thicknesses and for oil bolt.
Same filter for many bikes.
« Last Edit: December 02, 2020, 10:05:02 AM by PeWe »
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Re: Broken oil filter housings
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2020, 03:20:07 AM »
I need three for two bikes  ;D  Yes, I still sport the cooler on my F engine and the 900C uses the same filter housing.

I will check with the local Honda dealer.
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