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« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2020, 01:28:47 PM »
Guys..... stop torturing yourselves..... in 1973 a buddy and I bought an Alfa Romeo GTA race car from Bobcor Motors in Buffalo N.Y. Ex-Trans Am car driven by Bert Everett. Paid $6-7,000 and sold it a few years later for a bit less. Car sold at auction recently for over $200K. Just shoot me.

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« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2020, 02:37:05 PM »
Compare it to JTMarks stuff. If it were me I'd start at $500 or set the reserve at $500

Jerry..... couldn’t resist. I plan on keeping this stuff, but let’s see how silly it gets. Opening bid is $400, no reserve!

I’ve bought parts (very occasionally) from JT. He’s not cheap, but parts are always PERFECT.

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« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2020, 02:43:08 PM »
 Do you have the switch on E-bay right now ? Hopefully you tossed in the word Sandcast also to give it a little more muscle. If listed keep us up to speed,be interesting to see where it ends up at both in price and location.

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« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2020, 02:57:02 PM »
Do you have the switch on E-bay right now ? Hopefully you tossed in the word Sandcast also to give it a little more muscle. If listed keep us up to speed,be interesting to see where it ends up at both in price and location.
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« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2020, 04:17:52 PM »
It's the "Unobtainium" parts that cost the money to someone restoring a K0, I paid way more for a set of carbs than I paid for my frame, rear wheel, forks, airbox etc. There was only one OEM black switch on Ebay USA which was used, and he was asking for $300 USD. I seriously thought about it, but common sense prevailed as my bike is a rider, not a show bike, and I bought both left and right swtches from Yamiya.

What I found interesting when going through the Yamiya catalogue is that there was a dual throttle cable black switch as well as a single cable black switch, because the very few last few "Transition model" K0's had the K1 and later style carbs. Also interestingly, the book that Spotty gave me about CB750's says that calling the CB750's built before 6/1970 (from memory) "K0" is a misnomer, there was an official K0 model, but it was the transition model between the CB750 (sandcast and diecast) and the K1.

I reckon a starting price of $500 for that switch would be quite acceptable to someone building a show quality K0, although this close to Christmas it's a bit harder to sell stuff, in my experience. ;D     
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« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2020, 04:48:32 PM »
 I bought the Sandcast about 23 or 24 years ago.. it looked far worse when I got it.
 When I got a KO which is 200 or less bikes from the end..... last week of production. . It was mostly a frame , engine, busted up side covers and a black kill switch,  with , not sure may have snipped wiring..? Not sure , I think bottom is not there..
  When I saw that, always wondered  if it would have had black kill.. still not sure..

 At one time I had a Sandcast tach or speedo., near mint face, case was hooped.. face had some paint flaw but I think it was factory..  got a hundred or 115 for it...  and I knew what I had.. it had the Sandcast housing....
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« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2020, 07:12:34 PM »
500 ! That's all I paid for my Sandcast  and  it had , black switch, good guages, long choke, lefty horn, 28 carbs...etc..

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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2020, 07:27:41 PM »
You are right ,that  WAS LIVING......
 This year it's just GETTING BY.....hanging on by the skin of my teeth...
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« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2020, 10:45:23 PM »
Sandcast value is a later "madness" as many other older things. Last 15 years, right?

Remember how we all tossed the heavy metal junky 4-4 off our bikes to mount a liberating tough sounding 4-1 or even tougher dragpipes. Repainted since stock looked boring. 6" longer fork pipes another must making the handling to a real adventure.  Some went the racing style with fairings.

I remember when I had thoughts to jump off the bike in speeds of 100mph and a little bit more when bike wobbled all over the road. The dense forest beside or many cars stopped me. Jump off in a controlled way could have been better than bike just lost it all and enter the forest. ;)

The train goes in the other direction now paying lots to get 4-4 and stock paint back on again.
I missed my chance to buy a new tank from a Honda dealer that sold out stock tanks for less than $100US each. This was around 1983. He told me which colors in stock,  I did not like them. Who knows if a shrinkle tank was included?

But I really enjoy riding my old K6 today I found as used stock bike January 1979 at a dealer.

More this year with more and longer rides. I'm surprised about how fun my stock K2 is to ride too.

A parallel of sudden value is how expensive old furniture and copper kettles from 1600 to 1800's were in the 80's, almost worthless today. This might have been a Swedish thing only.

Thanks to the fun restoration interests that now rage as a global fever, new parts are made for our bikes, CB750 especially.

I'm sure that this very forum has a big part of it and the old shops that have started to make parts and work again. APE and CycleX as examples of many.

Old forgotten shop stocks dug out for sale again. I wonder how much that were thrown into the bins during the 90's?
(I heard from my tuning shop that they throwed lots of CB750 parts back then, maybe early 2000. It could have been modified parts, engines, RC and Action Fours parts they sold for CB750, Z1900 and similar.)

Internet make us to relive our 20's when we are in the 60's and older. ;D  I'm currently riding to the 70"s!! Have 10 summers ahead!!
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« Last Edit: December 19, 2020, 01:51:42 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2020, 12:28:23 AM »
There's a theory that in 10 or 15 years, the price of CB750's, Z1's etc, will plummet because they are only of interest to us old farts that lusted after them when they were new, and the next generation, have little or no interest in them. My sons, for instance (in their mid 30's) really like my Harleys and have told me that when I leave my mortal coil, they'll keep them and ride them, whereas they really couldn't care less about the Honda's and Kawasaki's, apart from what they can sell them for.

What is confusing then is the price people are paying for Vincents, BSA Gold Stars etc, considering that most people still able to ride bikes weren't around when these bikes were new? I suspect that the folks buying those bikes are more "Investor" than "Motorcyclist" which is a shame, there's nothing worse than seeing a row of over-restored bikes at a bike show, knowing that they're not being ridden, just trailered from bike show to bike show.

I guess it takes all kinds, but I'd rather be riding my bikes.............. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #60 on: December 19, 2020, 01:49:05 AM »
We have time to ride our restored bikes with new parts to give them a nice patina that will look as original in 10-20 years from now!! ;D

Will future people know that 75-76 K's did not have petcock of earlier style with dual pipes on right side as all Yamiya tanks have?
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2020, 02:35:40 AM »
Ha ha, and will they care? ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #62 on: December 19, 2020, 04:46:40 PM »
So I followed up on the advice from Prospect and found the Ontario dealer with a perfect, new, matching K1 tachometer for my new K1 speedometer. Too bad they know what it’s worth......

So now I’m thinking the “pair” would look fabulous on my Rickman CR project. Listed the new 1973-75 speedometer on EBay. If it sells, I’ll go for it. Damn the internet!

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« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2020, 08:13:21 PM »
Several years ago I scored a perfect condition NOS stock CB650 tach for $99 and shipping when shipping was still inexpensive. because I was going to drop a CB650 cam in my CB550 I have been amassing parts for its rebuild and restore. I found a nice cam and camshaft gear from a member here before they surged in prices. You can still find a good deal but it is rare.

Know a guy in Australia who has designed a cool stepper motor drive instrument that can give you a ton of info and can drive a tach as the needle driven instrument. With proper sensors it can display tach and water temp and voltage of course as well as fuel if you can engineer one into the tank if it didn't have one. It has mileage and trip functions and if given fuel signal it can aleet you to low fuel. Then there are other functions as well as odometer.  It fits in your existing speedo or tach cade and uses the needle, faceplate and glass. You cut an opening for the two OLED displays built into face above and below the center of the needle.
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Rae-San Dash Meter


Dash meter with glass and needle on – glass and needle not supplied – reuse existing.

The Rae-San Dash Meter is designed as a modern electronic replacement for original motorcycle gauges.

I t provides a stepper motor driven needle indication of speed or RPM (configurable) that is able to be adjusted to suit the original face plate and graduations on the face plate, providing a means to update and replace the old gauge mechanics but maintain the original look of the dash and to use the same gauge mounting buckets.

The gauge re-uses the face plate, needle and glass, but everything else is new and electronic.

In addition to the needle movement it provides two OLED displays that are configurable by the user to provide displays of several quantities.

The Gauge is able to measure and display the following quantities.

Fuel, Coolant Temperature, Oil Pressure (with appropriate sensor) Speed, Tacho (RPM), Odometer, Tripmeter, Clock ( with optional clock module), System voltage and Gear selected (calculated from RPM/speed).

The Fuel measurement can be done from an analog sensor, or on fuel injected motorcycles by measuring the accumulated injection pulses.

Using the injection pulses gives a very accurate fuel indication and allows for the measurment of the actual fuel used. Calibration occurs at the first refuel where the user adjusts the fill amount on the display. From there just reset the fuel tripmeter when filling the tank. Additional displays with litres remaining, distance to empty and fuel economy can also be selected.

The Gauge supports 4 profiles, and each profile allows for 4 display configurations – which are able to be cycled though with button presses. Supplied with a base set of profiles to support common bikes.

Support for two buttons is provided – for clock setting, display cycling, trip reset and activation of programming or check mode.

All inputs are configurable allowing for different sensor input ranges, wheel circumference adjustment, correction of the gauge and sensor non-linearity etc.

White Back lighting is provided to allow for face plate illumination. OLED display is white to allow for daylight readability.

Gauge configuration is performed usb connection using a simple ANSI terminal (such as Putty).

The gauge is available in a number of sizes to suit the face plate and gauge bucket diameter of a large range of motorcycles.

For those wishing to completely replace the original gauge cluster, 3d printed outer housings (gauge buckets) and diagnostic light clusters are also available to support building a custom dash.

https://www.rae-san.com/rae-san-dash-meter-2/

He has accessories products for the dash meter. Ray has been designing and testing lots of products starting out with CDI power supply for the CX / Gl 500 and then developed replacement CDI ignition and TI ignition using Hall effect sensors for crank positioning and similar needs of the replacent ignition sustem. CDI boxes fail as well as high and low speed coils, all of which are NLA. He stsrted on his ignition system before the Ignitech product came out for the CX and GL bikes. His designis far better and easier to install and has been optimized for several profiles and performance levels as some guys have managed to find performance build solutions using other bikes parts to bore and port and carburator upgrades as well as other changes guys have come up with.
Murray Feldman has been behind a bunch of those solutions as well as enthusiast in AU and the UK.

Anyway...
Tach/Speedo instrument goes for  $200-215 plus shipping and sensors he carries are extra. Then of course freight from the land down under...
The insert is a drop in into your housing replacing the guts of the instrument and and as I spreviously mentioned it uses your glass needle and faceplate.
So buying a new faceplate, glass, and crimp at Marcel's or get a faceplate decal from someone else. I don't know any sources for the glass and crimp-ring besides Marcel. I spoke to him in late October but Terry mentioned it was crickets when he emailed him about his K0 instruments...

Ray is a great guy and very trustworthy. Many members on CX/GL-500/650 forums are satisfied customers.
Murray Feldman is in NC and sells Mikuni carb solutions along with some other stuff. He used to do the CX-GL performance motor rebuilds but quit doing it after or bit before having neck fusion surgery a couple years ago.

Of course your bike wouldn't look right with a modified tach or speedo but it makes a great option for a customized runner and not a collector bike...

David- back in the desert SW!

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« Reply #64 on: December 20, 2020, 02:58:13 AM »
Ray is a nice guy David, I bought one of his early CX500 ignition fixes for my CX500 Custom. I bought a set of Murray's carbs for the same bike and they worked well, if a little agricultural in design, and construction. I convinced him to start making CB750 twin carb setups and he sent me the first set he made, but it wasn't a success, the bike ran like sh1t with them and the first set of manifolds wouldn't fit properly, (re replaced them) so I took them off, and I've just recently sold them after sitting on a shelf for 7 years. He's sold a bunch of them since, so I guess he's sorted them out since then. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #65 on: December 20, 2020, 06:58:23 AM »
About "Damn Internet ......". This site is part of it,  I get lots of inspiration how to drain the wallet, future salleries included! ;D
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #66 on: December 20, 2020, 08:27:15 AM »
I own three of the most dangerous "give me all your money" things a regular guy could have.
1. Our home (especially on Maui)
2. My 73 K3 750
3. My 2021 Jeep Wrangler JL Rubicon 2 door manual transmission. It keeps asking for new farkles.
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« Reply #67 on: December 20, 2020, 11:06:07 AM »
So I followed up on the advice from Prospect and found the Ontario dealer with a perfect, new, matching K1 tachometer for my new K1 speedometer. Too bad they know what it’s worth......

So now I’m thinking the “pair” would look fabulous on my Rickman CR project. Listed the new 1973-75 speedometer on EBay. If it sells, I’ll go for it. Damn the internet!

Same situation for me on my one year gauges (tach) for my F0. Dark green faces and 8500 redline. I found a NOS tach at David Silver in England. They did not have this tach in Europe. They had 5 but stupidly I only bought one. $85!!! To get the matching speedo I had to pay JTMarks $425... I had been looking for MANY years and I'd bet it is/was the only NOS speedo in the world. Not a bad average price was my rationale. Jump when you have the chance. Snooze you lose.
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« Reply #68 on: December 20, 2020, 02:54:40 PM »
Hi Benelli, You mentioned you have some early carb parts. I am starting to rebuild a good set from 2. Am missing a few odds and ends like 1 choke gate, choke lever etc. I had picked up a set about 12 years ago in Paris and didn't recognize they had the 28 caps on them until I started to rebuild a few years ago. I now have another set so starting the process again making a good set from 2. Anything you may have would be appreciated.

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« Reply #69 on: December 20, 2020, 06:49:54 PM »
Sorry.... try sending a PM to LASH, on this site. He’s just N.W. of Toronto. He has all my “leftover” carb bits at the moment.

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« Reply #70 on: December 20, 2020, 07:10:04 PM »
So I followed up on the advice from Prospect and found the Ontario dealer with a perfect, new, matching K1 tachometer for my new K1 speedometer. Too bad they know what it’s worth......

So now I’m thinking the “pair” would look fabulous on my Rickman CR project. Listed the new 1973-75 speedometer on EBay. If it sells, I’ll go for it. Damn the internet!
I have a rough k1 tach. Would need a full restoration. Let me know if you're interested.
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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2020, 08:01:03 PM »
Ray is a nice guy David, I bought one of his early CX500 ignition fixes for my CX500 Custom. I bought a set of Murray's carbs for the same bike and they worked well, if a little agricultural in design, and construction. I convinced him to start making CB750 twin carb setups and he sent me the first set he made, but it wasn't a success, the bike ran like sh1t with them and the first set of manifolds wouldn't fit properly, (re replaced them) so I took them off, and I've just recently sold them after sitting on a shelf for 7 years. He's sold a bunch of them since, so I guess he's sorted them out since then. ;D

He has fixed and made things a lot better than the early days... Look at his carb kits now, definitely not a prototype.
The intake manifolds designed now are very nice.
https://murrayscarbs.com/product/honda-cb650-sohc-cb750-sohc-mikuni-carb-system/
Look at the CX500 system, much nicer than the hybrid rubber and metal design of oem carbs.
I have bought some things from Murray and Ray. Going to buy the instrument for my restomod cb550 if things go as planned.
David- back in the desert SW!

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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2020, 10:15:26 PM »
Look like the 2 carb kit from  CycleX.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2020, 10:40:30 PM »
CycleX may be buying it from Murray or knocking off Murray’s design. They stole FunJimmy’s CR carb manifold design but did not make it as curved as Jimmy’s to simplify machining, cutting work. Waterjet cutting FJ’s manifold for the CRs could be much faster than milling or bandsaw and milling them. Very little post machining cleanup needed on waterjet cut parts.
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« Reply #74 on: December 22, 2020, 03:09:43 AM »
Ray is a nice guy David, I bought one of his early CX500 ignition fixes for my CX500 Custom. I bought a set of Murray's carbs for the same bike and they worked well, if a little agricultural in design, and construction. I convinced him to start making CB750 twin carb setups and he sent me the first set he made, but it wasn't a success, the bike ran like sh1t with them and the first set of manifolds wouldn't fit properly, (re replaced them) so I took them off, and I've just recently sold them after sitting on a shelf for 7 years. He's sold a bunch of them since, so I guess he's sorted them out since then. ;D

He has fixed and made things a lot better than the early days... Look at his carb kits now, definitely not a prototype.
The intake manifolds designed now are very nice.
https://murrayscarbs.com/product/honda-cb650-sohc-cb750-sohc-mikuni-carb-system/
Look at the CX500 system, much nicer than the hybrid rubber and metal design of oem carbs.
I have bought some things from Murray and Ray. Going to buy the instrument for my restomod cb550 if things go as planned.

Thanks David, I just looked at the pics, and they're exactly the same as the ones he made for me. See those super thin pancake airfilters? The first set were so tight against the frame the airfilters wouldn't fit, so he had to make me some slightly shorter ones, which still fouled the frame. the alloy tube is just cut and welded, and while I'm sure they must work better than the set he sent me, they still look just as redneck.

He said he couldn't make them shorter for fear of "Reversion" (spitting fuel out the back of the carbs) but they looked terrible, and worked just as bad. I think if some one came up with sandcast manifolds with nice smooth inlet runners and used Mikuni's with spiggots cast into the carbs (like CB750 stock carbs) with rubber insulators securing the spigots to the manifolds they'd look way better, and would probably allow for a better range of air filters, or even an airbox. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)