Topic: Anyone know how to take this off?

[juntjoo]

I'm stuck around the black wire. Should I be able to pull that black rubber light socket cover? On the other end of the wire where u assume it was last connected, would be a pain to get in there and redo the wiring when done. I think that's the only way. Just double checking. I'm taking this bar off to bend it back into shape. It's a little bent

[juntjoo]

More pics...

[juntjoo]

Last one...

[juntjoo]

Eeh, never mind. Pretty sure I just need to cut somewhere then splice it later

[Don R]

 I'm not speaking for anyone else but from the pics I can't even tell what you're working on. Maybe a pic from further back would help next time. Maybe because I'm not really intimately familiar with your particular bike.

[juntjoo]

I'm not speaking for anyone else but from the pics I can't even tell what you're working on. Maybe a pic from further back would help next time. Maybe because I'm not really intimately familiar with your particular bike.

I just uploaded the last Pic that didn't upload in the above post. I don't know exactly what the part is called, the bars on the side of rear below the seat that at the end hold the rear lights. I want to remove one that's bent out of shape a bit but it's held on y the wires, the black one and basically I just need to either cut or disconnect where it is originally spliced with other wires. No biggie. Just a little hairy process to get it off. Actually I don't need to remove it all the way, just disconnect where it connects at the back, leave it on the top of the strut and turn it upwards, then stick a bar through the top of it, where the rear light wires go through and twist it back into shape. It's a solid bar so I'm not sure how easy it will be. I'll find out once I get to it...

[754]

 Grind a slot In bar or tube, leave wires in the slot. .

[juntjoo]

Grind a slot In bar or tube, leave wires in the slot. .

I'd rather not x but a possibility... Actually that would be a lot of grinding.

[juntjoo]

Actually, as I go forward with any repairs that involve electrical, I'm wondering if there a feasible option of replacing the permanent splicing of wires with more convenient detachable connectors, little plugs or something. Would make working around electrical components a lot easier definitely

[bryanj]

That wire will have a bullet connector farther in towards the loom, new brackets dont come with wires so it must have. Just follow the lead till you find it

[carnivorous chicken]

That wire will have a bullet connector farther in towards the loom, new brackets dont come with wires so it must have. Just follow the lead till you find it

This. No need to cut wires.

[juntjoo]

That wire will have a bullet connector farther in towards the loom, new brackets dont come with wires so it must have. Just follow the lead till you find it

These guys? This is what the bike has? And these are reconnectable? If so I had no idea. That's great

[bryanj]

Those aint Honda ones, you can see connecors in the pic with the big hole, did you honesly think Honda fitted a loom with everything hard wired on the assembly line?

[juntjoo]

Those aint Honda ones, you can see connecors in the pic with the big hole, did you honesly think Honda fitted a loom with everything hard wired on the assembly line?

I'm ignorant of this stuff. If I had to guess they hard CONNECTED it somehow. But looks like they're heat shrink wrapped. So I can just disconnect these and reconnect them? I've never messed with these connections.

Speaking of heat shrink wraps. I've bought some in the past and used a torch to hear them and they all inevitably just burn, not shrink. Is there a skill to it or do you just need the proper heat gun tool? A hair dryer didn't work at all.

[flybackwards]

you will need a hot air gun to shrink the tubing properly - go to the paint dept at Lowes or Home Depot and get a hot air paint stripper gun - they are cheap - use it on low and don't put your hand in the way!

[BenelliSEI]

Those aint Honda ones, you can see connecors in the pic with the big hole, did you honesly think Honda fitted a loom with everything hard wired on the assembly line?

I'm ignorant of this stuff. If I had to guess they hard CONNECTED it somehow. But looks like they're heat shrink wrapped. So I can just disconnect these and reconnect them? I've never messed with these connections.

Speaking of heat shrink wraps. I've bought some in the past and used a torch to hear them and they all inevitably just burn, not shrink. Is there a skill to it or do you just need the proper heat gun tool? A hair dryer didn't work at all.

If you are looking at the original Honda bullet connectors, there is no shrinkwrap. Just a rubber, outer case. The female socket stays in the black rubber tube, the male 1/2 of the connector comes out whenyou pull them apart. Assembly is the reverse...

[754]

Juntjoo, do you not have a manual ? Have you ever looked at or seen one ?
 Do you ever research the work you plan on performing ? By that I mean try to figure it out , without posting a forum question every time ?

[juntjoo]

Juntjoo, do you not have a manual ? Have you ever looked at or seen one ?
 Do you ever research the work you plan on performing ? By that I mean try to figure it out , without posting a forum question every time ?

Yeah, manual doesn't help with certain basics like this I'm not familiar with.

[754]

Well if you changed the head light bulb ever, or had headlight out of the  shell you must have noticed the connectors.
 The 650 is the least familiar of the SOHC  bikes to most of us here on the forum.
 So the pics you posted on this topic, most of us did not know what was shown in the pics.
 But interesting  that the pics showed some of the wiring connects Honda uses throughout the bike.
 I am sure if you look in the manual at removing the signal light (think that IS what you were doing ?) It will tell you to disconnect  the wires.l

[juntjoo]

Well if you changed the head light bulb ever, or had headlight out of the  shell you must have noticed the connectors.
 The 650 is the least familiar of the SOHC  bikes to most of us here on the forum.
 So the pics you posted on this topic, most of us did not know what was shown in the pics.
 But interesting  that the pics showed some of the wiring connects Honda uses throughout the bike.
 I am sure if you look in the manual at removing the signal light (think that IS what you were doing ?) It will tell you to disconnect  the wires.l

No, you just need to unscrew them. But the socket would still be there holding that bar in place preventing me from moving it. These manuals are basic. Messing with wires isn't. I'm going deep!

[BenelliSEI]

1. What manual are you using? Most of the ones I have are very complete.
2. Removing a turn signal or even a grab bar is about as basic as it gets.
3. These tasks are barely scratching the surface and certainly not “deep”.

[juntjoo]

1. What manual are you using? Most of the ones I have are very complete.
2. Removing a turn signal or even a grab bar is about as basic as it gets.
3. These tasks are barely scratching the surface and certainly not “deep”.

Clymers. Turn signal yes, as one would need to do that but grab bar no. Not that I've found. As far as maintenance and typical repairs what would you need to take off the grab bar for

[bryanj]

when you bend the indicator

[juntjoo]

when you bend the indicator

Well I'd have to agree with you that that is common enough a repair, which BTW it was the PO! not me, but clymers apparently doesn't agree. Plus mine is the rare model with special sections for it. But it's a pretty good manual I'd have to say. If the pics were a bit higher resolution in color that would be awesome

[Nurse Julie]

when you bend the indicator

Well I'd have to agree with you that that is common enough a repair, which BTW it was the PO! not me, but clymers apparently doesn't agree. Plus mine is the rare model with special sections for it. But it's a pretty good manual I'd have to say. If the pics were a bit higher resolution in color that would be awesome

Is your bike a DOHC 650 or a SOHC 650 🤔

[juntjoo]

when you bend the indicator

Well I'd have to agree with you that that is common enough a repair, which BTW it was the PO! not me, but clymers apparently doesn't agree. Plus mine is the rare model with special sections for it. But it's a pretty good manual I'd have to say. If the pics were a bit higher resolution in color that would be awesome

Is your bike a DOHC 650 or a SOHC 650 🤔

SOHC

[juntjoo]

Those aint Honda ones, you can see connecors in the pic with the big hole, did you honesly think Honda fitted a loom with everything hard wired on the assembly line?

I'm ignorant of this stuff. If I had to guess they hard CONNECTED it somehow. But looks like they're heat shrink wrapped. So I can just disconnect these and reconnect them? I've never messed with these connections.

Speaking of heat shrink wraps. I've bought some in the past and used a torch to hear them and they all inevitably just burn, not shrink. Is there a skill to it or do you just need the proper heat gun tool? A hair dryer didn't work at all.

If you are looking at the original Honda bullet connectors, there is no shrinkwrap. Just a rubber, outer case. The female socket stays in the black rubber tube, the male 1/2 of the connector comes out whenyou pull them apart. Assembly is the reverse...

These guys! Found this off my stator. Couldn't get the Philips head screw off, stripped it actually, that holds this in place without realizing it was this detachable type. Started wiggling it hoping it might free up and it did. Good to know.

[carnivorous chicken]

These guys! Found this off my stator. Couldn't get the Philips head screw off, stripped it actually, that holds this in place without realizing it was this detachable type. Started wiggling it hoping it might free up and it did. Good to know.

Your bike doesn't have phillips screws, they're JIS. You need a JIS driver or, as you have discovered, the heads will strip.

[juntjoo]

These guys! Found this off my stator. Couldn't get the Philips head screw off, stripped it actually, that holds this in place without realizing it was this detachable type. Started wiggling it hoping it might free up and it did. Good to know.

Your bike doesn't have phillips screws, they're JIS. You need a JIS driver or, as you have discovered, the heads will strip.

Is that what these are? I heard that before. Whatever they are I can't budge em with my arm and screw driver. I didn't strip em with a hand driver but with an impact wrench. Are you supposed to use a an impact with these, as they're often big and been in place for a long time. Either way, wherever I find em I'm replacing them with Allen bolts

[StockRider]

First image below.
NOT second image.

[juntjoo]

First image below.
NOT second image.

Ah.. Now where do you find these screws mostly? Older Japanese bikes? Cars? I don't think I've run into them with cars. If not I won't invest in this tool unless I keep getting older Japanese bikes and as needed I'll just replace mine with better bolts/screws

[Alan F.]

....If not I won't invest in this tool unless I keep getting older Japanese bikes and as needed I'll just replace mine with better bolts/screws

I've had shallow (and shallower) pockets at times, this is a tool that is not just for this type of screws, but is a classic and indispensable solution when needed.

Here's an inexpensive example from a time honored source:

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7769059?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google&campaign=GSC-Tools-Equipment&campaign_id=8553470562&adgroup_id=107047174069&adtype=pla&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlsv_BRDtARIsAHMGVSbGSy4oLtg3Km-eqrv3T063TSTXdwltDAXg2rRBOgH4RKe2ow9fdskaAgHgEALw_wcB

$15.99 at NAPA for everyone not clicking.

[juntjoo]

....If not I won't invest in this tool unless I keep getting older Japanese bikes and as needed I'll just replace mine with better bolts/screws

I've had shallow (and shallower) pockets at times, this is a tool that is not just for this type of screws, but is a classic and indispensable solution when needed.

Here's an inexpensive example from a time honored source:

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_7769059?cid=paidsearch_shopping_dcoe_google&campaign=GSC-Tools-Equipment&campaign_id=8553470562&adgroup_id=107047174069&adtype=pla&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlsv_BRDtARIsAHMGVSbGSy4oLtg3Km-eqrv3T063TSTXdwltDAXg2rRBOgH4RKe2ow9fdskaAgHgEALw_wcB

$15.99 at NAPA for everyone not clicking.

Yeah I've seen these just never thought to need them. Are they specific for unscrewing big screws? I'll probably grab one then if they're not that much

[Alan F.]

For removing screws, bolts, etc.

The difference with one of these is that it pushes the Philips (or whatever) bit into the stuck fastener as it applies torque to loosen (or tighten) so that the bit won't slip and just bugger the screw head. 

I've used mine on lots of different parts of bikes.

[StockRider]

I think this is still on topic....

The Top Ten Most Essential Tools for Motorcycle Riders (not that I agree with the lists..., to each his own):

https://www.bikebandit.com/blog/the-top-ten-most-essential-tools-for-motorcycle-riders

The hilarious thing is that motorcycle.com did an article 6 months later and included a powered Impact Driver instead of a handheld Impact Driver..., hopefully they know the difference.

https://www.motorcycle.com/top10/top-10-must-motorcycle-tools.html

[juntjoo]

I think this is still on topic....

The Top Ten Most Essential Tools for Motorcycle Riders (not that I agree with the lists..., to each his own):

https://www.bikebandit.com/blog/the-top-ten-most-essential-tools-for-motorcycle-riders

The hilarious thing is that motorcycle.com did an article 6 months later and included a powered Impact Driver instead of a handheld Impact Driver..., hopefully they know the difference.

https://www.motorcycle.com/top10/top-10-must-motorcycle-tools.html

Thanks for the recommendation. Got me mine. And got my stator/regulator in the mail and my old one is stuck in with a rounded JIS. Can't wait to use it!

[kerryb]

I always start with the (hand) impact driver if it is the first time I have removed an old jis screw.  10 bikes, and never ruined a screw that was good when I started.  USE the impact driver first!
Now, to get that rounded, stripped screw out you may have to cut a new slot in it with a dremel tool and a skinny cut-off wheel.  Then you can use the impact driver with a straight blade bit.

Editorial comment:  if you are riding an old bike to save money, you have to invest in the basic correct tools and a FACTORY service manual.  The money you save by not breaking stuff will more than pay for the tools.  The money you save by not taking it to a shop will pay for the bike!  Clymer gets their pics by copying the factory service manual so the pictures lose the resolution you need to see the details. 
I have the bike you are working on, '82 cb650sc,  it take 10 to 15 minutes to disassemble the seat and rear bodywork to get to all the wires and fasteners that you want to work with.

[juntjoo]

I always start with the (hand) impact driver if it is the first time I have removed an old jis screw.  10 bikes, and never ruined a screw that was good when I started.  USE the impact driver first!
Now, to get that rounded, stripped screw out you may have to cut a new slot in it with a dremel tool and a skinny cut-off wheel.  Then you can use the impact driver with a straight blade bit.

Editorial comment:  if you are riding an old bike to save money, you have to invest in the basic correct tools and a FACTORY service manual.  The money you save by not breaking stuff will more than pay for the tools.  The money you save by not taking it to a shop will pay for the bike!  Clymer gets their pics by copying the factory service manual so the pictures lose the resolution you need to see the details. 
I have the bike you are working on, '82 cb650sc,  it take 10 to 15 minutes to disassemble the seat and rear bodywork to get to all the wires and fasteners that you want to work with.

That's exactly what I did. I know that trick with the cutting wheel. I might have forgotten it at first. I learn so many more things DIY'ing than actually thoroughly applying them like you'd do if it were a job or regular hobby that I often get stuck on things I've actually dealt with before. I often start a thread then delete it. I need to slow down and think, with everything in life...I will be using this impact driver a lot. I like it. IDK how I never knew about it before. And I've got my eye on that service manual. I think I saw it for like $100. I'm sure it's worth it. Plan on getting it maybe before next repair(lol, it's become an expectation) but after I get my charging issue solved I have a feeling I won't have any problems for a long time. And I'm good on this thread. I know how to get in there and disconnect the Honda connectors. Didn't know about them before. And I got a good idea how I'm gonna bend this hand rail back.

[scunny]

I've got a 1980 650Z, all the case bolts have 8mm hex heads, the only JIS screws are on the oil pump and carb bowls from memory ?