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Offline Oly

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1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« on: January 25, 2021, 03:49:09 PM »
Good day to all,
 I'm starting my first restoration project on an old friend of mine that I've had for the last 43 years.  I purchased the bike from the original owner in West Seattle, WA back in 1978.  The original owner and his wife had two identical K1's to choose from that day.  They had just recently completed a multiple month cross country trip on them and each bike had approx. the same mileage (15,000).  I road it regularly up till marriage then road a little less and then kids.....well even less,  till family life took over much of my free time.  Now ...43 years later I'm retired and ready to breathe life back into the old girl.  I've been reading a lot of the projects listed on your forum and it seems to be a great location for getting good info on each particular models variations.  I have just received Hondaman's book and the bike came with the original Honda shop manual.  I'm looking to keep it stock (except for the Kerker 4 into 1 exhaust).


                             
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1966 Yamaha 250cc YDS3c Big Bear Scrambler

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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2021, 04:06:54 PM »
 It's a beauty, congrats on keeping all this time. I'm building a gold K0, myself.  If I'm not mistaken that's a single cut front fender, no bead formed around the bottom.  I'm not sure if they came on k1 and may have some value to a K0 restorer. Then again maybe they did come on early k1's. Experts will weigh in for sure but I've learned Honda used what they had when they took it out of the bin so there are exceptions to what we think we know. 
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2021, 04:41:41 PM »
Don... I'm not quite sure what you mean by single cut fender.  The edge of the fender has a rolled bead around the whole perimeter, except in the very front leading edge.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2021, 05:02:12 PM »
Make that the trailing edge has no bead....it's off bike and I had it flipped around.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2021, 05:57:17 PM »
Great bike. I have the same colour K1.  I can see that you have one of those fancy vacuum gauges attached to the carbs.  Neat aftermarket product.

Good luck with the project!
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2021, 06:19:02 PM »
Nice looking K1 Oly!  It's great to hear that you kept it all these years too.  I also have a Candy Gold K1 that is currently in the process of being brought back to life.  In fact, our bikes are only 103 units away from one another - mine is 1050052 also made in 8/70.

I'm looking forward to following your progress - thanks for sharing.

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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2021, 09:34:19 PM »
Don... I'm not quite sure what you mean by single cut fender.  The edge of the fender has a rolled bead around the whole perimeter, except in the very front leading edge.
The first fenders had no bead on either end (double cut), later they figured out how to put the bead on one end (single cut) and finally it came with a full bead all the way around both ends. I'm not sure when they got it on both ends. My sandcast is double cut,  diecast should be but isn't and the 6/70 build date bike has it's original single cut.
 Don't get me wrong, I love the bike! It's one of those early production things that adds value that I wondered about.   
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2021, 07:55:50 AM »
Great bike. I have the same colour K1.  I can see that you have one of those fancy vacuum gauges attached to the carbs.  Neat aftermarket product.

Good luck with the project!

Thanks Prospect... I've never actually used the vacuum gauge when I was actively riding.  I guess at 25 I had riding and other things on my mind other than researching what the PO had installed.  During this restoration I'll be figuring out if it is a worth while addition going forward.













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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2021, 08:10:24 AM »
Nice looking K1 Oly!  It's great to hear that you kept it all these years too.  I also have a Candy Gold K1 that is currently in the process of being brought back to life.  In fact, our bikes are only 103 units away from one another - mine is 1050052 also made in 8/70.

I'm looking forward to following your progress - thanks for sharing.

Brad

Hey Brad...so we should share some of the same variations having come down the production line in 8/70.  Do you have a single cut front fender?
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2021, 11:07:35 AM »
Like yours, the fender on my K1 is a single cut.

Brad
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1971 CB500 K0 - Star Light Gold
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2021, 11:18:13 AM »
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Thanks Prospect... I've never actually used the vacuum gauge when I was actively riding.

Wow, on-board carb sync setup! That's pretty cool.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2021, 02:04:34 PM »
Very cool project, I’ll follow.
Is that a stiff leg I see on one shock? What is that?
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2021, 02:34:17 PM »
Awesome bike, I love that you've had it for so long.

Also, I believe that's the hanger strap for the Kerker, if I'm not mistaken.  :)
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2021, 04:01:17 PM »
Rick is correct....hanger for Kerker.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2021, 01:39:10 PM »
Pulled the carbs & got them cleaned up.  Fuel tank looks good inside and petcock is off and cleaned awaiting gaskets.

A question for everyone...I'm wanting to really keep my project stock, which includes the existing paint.  Does trying to keep original paint in place make the most sense or should I be considering a full re-paint on the tank, ears, headlight bucket and side panels?  The original paint is not perfect, with slight surface rust and areas that have worn down to bare metal in places.  I like the patina of the original paint as all the marks remind of something in the bikes past, but I don't want any of the surface rust and bare spots to progress into more issues later on.

Thoughts????

Also, a question related to the original throttle tubes ... were all original throttle tubes made of metal like mine?  As I look online for parts, all I see are plastic tubes.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2021, 04:06:47 PM »
I think your original paint looks fantastic and agree there is no way to reproduce the beauty of a well loved old bike.  Just continue caring for it and it will cause you no future problems.

I don't know for sure about the throttle tubes.  I have seen both on various year cb750's so don't know what is original.  I can tell you the plastic ones  seem to have a smoother action, in my opinion.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2021, 04:19:44 PM »
Oly..... Your original paint is lovely. Maguire’s makes a three step set of product. Includes cleaner, polish and wax. The first time I used it on my K1, it took about 30 years off the finish! Well worth the effort! 

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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2021, 09:01:24 PM »
Benelli and Sean...thanks for your feedback.  I'll try to keep it as is.

Benelli...those are a nice batch of bikes.  Are they all yours?  What models are they?  One sure looks like a K1.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2021, 09:08:45 PM »
I also prefer keeping the original paint when it's as nice as what's on your bike.  They're only original once.

That being said, if you prefer the look of new paint you might consider selling your tank, side covers headlight bucket and ears and applying the proceeds to purchasing a new pre-painted set from Yamiya.  At $1,500 (before shipping) for a complete body set - minus what you make from selling your existing painted parts - you'd likely spend less money than if you hired a painter to replicate the original Candy Gold with painted stripes.
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2021, 03:31:13 AM »
I also prefer keeping the original paint when it's as nice as what's on your bike.  They're only original once.

That being said, if you prefer the look of new paint you might consider selling your tank, side covers headlight bucket and ears and applying the proceeds to purchasing a new pre-painted set from Yamiya.  At $1,500 (before shipping) for a complete body set - minus what you make from selling your existing painted parts - you'd likely spend less money than if you hired a painter to replicate the original Candy Gold with painted stripes.

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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2021, 04:41:39 AM »
Benelli and Sean...thanks for your feedback.  I'll try to keep it as is.

Benelli...those are a nice batch of bikes.  Are they all yours?  What models are they?  One sure looks like a K1.

It’s my favourite, the red K1. I have too many and heading out for more today!

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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2021, 07:24:16 AM »

I'm wanting to really keep my project stock, which includes the existing paint.  Does trying to keep original paint in place make the most sense or should I be considering a full re-paint on the tank, ears, headlight bucket and side panels?  The original paint is not perfect, with slight surface rust and areas that have worn down to bare metal in places.  I like the patina of the original paint as all the marks remind of something in the bikes past, but I don't want any of the surface rust and bare spots to progress into more issues later on.

Thoughts????

Also, a question related to the original throttle tubes ... were all original throttle tubes made of metal like mine?  As I look online for parts, all I see are plastic tubes.

From your underside picture of the tank(bubbling paint and cancer rust flaking), there might be rust inside the tank at the bottom forward of the petcock from gas with water in it, (water in gas settles under the gas and rusts tanks) and that is probably why the paint is bubbling and rusting there. This will need addressing or you'll be leaking gas there fairly soon. Close inspection inside the tank down low is necessary. Use a good strong flashlight or better a bore scope to determine. If bad, there are people who have cut out the bad area, which usually runs into the folded edge under the trim chrome strips. (carefully bend the retainer tabs back to remove the chrome strip for further inspection. Is the outer paint bubbling anywhere under the strips?).
There was a post in the past year where the tank looked great and he had a dent massaged out but he failed to inspect the lower inside for rust and ended up finding bubbling paint with pinhole leaks under the paint that looked so good.
I have seen posts on repairs having been done to save the tank when the paint is as good looking as yours is(top picture shows minimal sun fading or scratches, no bubbles in the paint?). Have you de-rusted the inside of the tank yet?(5 gallons of Evaporust or Electrolosys method)

I'm not a fan of tank lining as many of the problems with failed liners are from someone not getting All the rust out first before putting the liquid liner in and also the chemicals added to the gas today attacking the liners and clogging the carbs later on. Do your full homework before you choose to go down that road......

The underside of the tank needs addressing. I would suggest after removing the chrome strips and inspection, is to sand off the loose rust areas to bare metal to see if the metal is solid. Pin holes will require tank repair of cut out bad areas and new metal welded in.
Evaporust has a gel that you can spray on if the metal is good, use a brush to coat the rust fully then cover with plastic wrap to slow evaporation. Once the time is up you rinse it off with water and dry the surface with paper towels or rags and then a heat gun on low(be careful not to blister the outer tank paint!). Then prime the underside of the tank followed by paint to protect it from further rust. Honda didn't put a lot of paint under the tanks....

As to the throttle tube, apparently the early 750s had metal and probably in 1972 k2 they changed to plastic (the plastic was being made better around that period of time than early days of plastic, as formulations evolved). I was a parts manager in the mid 70s and kind of remember the change period of the tubes.
If the barrels of the cables hold well in your tube, you don't necessarily have to change to the plastic. If there is a lot of slop in holding the barrels, you can add solder using a torch to build the hole wear back up if needed, shape flat with a file, then re-drill the hole. Or change to a new plastic tube for riding but keep the metal tube to stay with the bike for a 100% restoration. K1 models will be gaining higher values soon enough for 100% original parts complete bikes.
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2021, 07:39:09 AM »
I forgot to mention.... You have a great looking bike and a fun project breathing new life back into it. Well done keeping it so fine all these years. You'll have a blast on it getting it back on the road again. I truly have kicked my butt many times for selling my 76 that I bought new and put 45,000 miles on it before selling it in 1983 for family needs...... But that is life.
I have a couple more now and have been having a blast riding the 75 and in process of rebuilding the 76. I do hope the bottom of your tank is good and just needs the underside cleaned up and painted.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2021, 11:37:24 AM »
Newday... thank you for the great advice. 

   I'll be removing the tank trim for inspection and looking for some Evaporust.  Earlier I did look into the tank with a good light to see if the corners hid any surprises.  The entire inside surface of the tank looks just like the internal surface shown in my picture.  When I last registered the bike for the road in 1991, I emptied the entire fuel system (drained tank and carbs).  I'm glad I did as I'm sure it saved me a lot of grief now.  During the carb clean-up there was very little varnish to clean out in their bowls and the passage ways all opened easily with minimal soaking in Berryman "Chem-dip" & carb spray.
   When I paint the underside of the tank after processing down to bare metal, do you have any suggestions on paint types to use?  Are any of the choices for painting the underside available in a somewhat matching color?
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Re: 1971 CB750 K1 Restoration Project
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2021, 04:40:52 PM »
Good to hear you did the layup correctly. I empty the tank yearly in the fall, drain out the float bowls and run the motor until it dies after a good ride to fully heat it up, just before draining the oil, filter remove and replace filter and oil then run the starter to build the oil pressure, then pack it away for the winter. Sure am glad I did it a year ago as I didn't get back home this past summer and fall as normally do....

Paint I don't have a recommendation as I haven't dealt with matching. You could paint it a matte black under there but you'll have to find a match maybe at a local automotive paint supplier with a computer scanner to mix a match for your tank. They can usually do a pint or a spray can.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A