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« Reply #400 on: February 12, 2022, 12:37:42 AM »
It appears that my older sister has Covid for the second time in a few months. I had to talk her into having the jab, she lives in a little tourist town in the Whitsundays, and at the time that I was trying to convince her to get the jab her argument was, "No-one here has it, so what's the point?" Well begrudgingly she did get her first Moderna jab, then a few months later when she got her second jab she told me that she had some bad side effects of the second vaccine. Trouble was, her "side effects" sounded awfully like symptoms of covid. She didn't go and see her doctor, and a week or two later she was OK again.

She spoke to her pharmacist this week when she booked in for the booster and told the pharmacist about her vaccine "side effects" and the pharmacist said, "They're not vaccine side effects, they're covid symptoms. She's just sent me a text message to tell me that she's got the same symptoms again. The town where she lives is now full of covid and it appears that she has it again, but once again, the symptoms are only mild and she doesn't need medical treatment. She's an asthmatic, so probably good that she's had two jabs. ;D
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« Reply #401 on: February 12, 2022, 01:59:35 AM »
My former neighbors are avid and loud anti vaxxers and now are on FB asking for prayers because they both have it. They both have a side effect now. 

DON, the side affect for some antii-vaxxers is you won't go near them. The effect of them catch what the thought was something and evil shot, it really isn't and never will be a vaccine, so they'll them they don't need to rail against it as it isn't a vaccine. A vaccine prevents you from getting a disease like polio, diptherea, small pox, rubella, chicken pox & the adult outbreak called shingles is akin to a booster because the vaccine didn't have lifetime effectiveness. The polio vaccine prevents you from catching it, not you only end up partially crippled with a mild case. Is is more similar to a flu shot than a vaccine as the flu strains are slowly, in comparison mutating from season to season and the flu generally is cyclical in most commonly spread in winter when we are indoors more and it ebbs drastically in summer. They have to guess at the direction the flu will take for which variant or strain is going to be most prevalent. Lots of years they guess wrong and some years they guess right and sometimes as a result the total case count 8s down as a result and because it attacks and weakens it's host so greatly older people without the robust and full of vitality immune system of a younger person (usually characteristic of a younger person,) they don't survive and pneumonia often results dmfron the flu which leads to death.
Covid8s 9ften doing heart damage that doesn't recover if you survive a moderate or severe case. Doctors are betting as these young people who are suffering this damage will be experiencing significant debilitating heart conditions or increased number of heart attacks earlier in life that is statistically closer to the current norm for which ever variant of heart issues they exhibit when they age. The influenza has been around a long time by comparison so the virologist and immunologists have had time to study it extensively and develop and test theories and prove or disprove of any hypothesis they form. The SARS-CoV-19 and SARS-CoV-2 are so fresh they are all 8n a mad scramble and leveraging existing knowledge of prior SARaS-CoV and Flu and other nasty viruses to look for commonality and testing quickly and hopefully thoroughly as possible given the constraints they are facing to develop and prove effectiveness of treatment strategies in both palatine care and in acute care cases as well as in mild to moderate cases.
They if a good scientist following best practices to have repeatable results as well as sound and accurate analysis that is unimpeachable. Many times a published paper in some fields other scientists work to reinforce or disprove those results, so it can be a brutal world and not one where you can have thin skin" and survive or thrive... Not that you become arrogant and inflexible to entertaining or testing ideas that conflict with conclusions or theatres of how something works. A good scientist is adaptive to the changing landscape.
Too bad it isn't as easy to tell when a scientist is lying for us common engineers, lawyers, nurses, store clerks, managers of various levels and the grease that keeps America moving: the laborers, truck drivers, and tradesmen, etc...
That's my $0.10
I understand the right someone who doesn't like vaccines may have, they have dmdreedon of speech just like everyone. Doesn't say anywhere you have to or need to listen to their free speech. It never gives anyone the right in my opinion to force your views on someone else and force them to come with your point of view or beliefs unless that view is clearly and legally interpreted to be in alignment with law of the land. Laws are suppose to be reflecting that if the society's majority in the USA...
If you cannot legally point to a law that isn't tossed by a court of a state or federal court with the appropriate stair case of authority granted to each as defined by our Constitution and Amendments then it is subject to legal interpretation by the courts of the land when put to the test, a case is brought against that interpretation and the enforcement carried forth by the legally charged groups to enforce those laws and decisions /interpretations, be it local police, lawyers & judges, or State or federal level enforcement authorities defined by law... For others to try to exert that control over citizens has repeatedly through history been denounced or ruled as illegal and unenforceable any the courts of the land

People who complain about what they don't like the currentborvfuture direction or current laws need to use their legal rights to effect peaceful, legal change through the election process and/or working with legislatures to pass laws that reflect the population's majority values ethics and views. The congress and senators are elected to represent you and their vote represents you and everyone in the district,  region ,  State,  or whichever level and group of residents they are suppose to represent. You voice can be heard respectfully and you just might be able to give them points to ponder or counterpoints that might sway them to your views.

The system can work if you use it and any error that for whatever unknown to me reason might not be working from a system that has worked in the past needs examined to determine what changed that made it no longer work correctly. If you can come up with illustrations and results of how and what changed that broke a system that worked for over 200 years will have to be sound and not current soup de jour viewpoint any change needs to be applicable for future generations if we survive for more of the... And needs to be durable enough to reflect society and the long-term values and principles of the country ...those are extremely slow changing in stable societies.

Sorry that's my 25% input no one asked for...

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« Reply #402 on: February 12, 2022, 05:45:35 PM »
What I'm finding crazy is how one person can get covid but not necessarily their "significant other" My oldest brother got it but my sister inlaw didn't, both are vaxxed and my brother just dealt with mild symptoms. Maybe my sis inlaw didn't get it because she's vaxxed but a friend of mine at work, she's had it twice already but not her fiance, both are not vaxxed. My oldest son though, he, my daughter inlaw and my 4 year old granddaughter got it recently. My son and daughter inlaw are both vaxxed but granddaughter isn't. My son and daughter inlaw felt like crud for about a week but my granddaughter, even though she was showing a fever she still was just as active as you would expect a 4 year old to be.
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« Reply #403 on: February 12, 2022, 06:14:41 PM »
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« Reply #404 on: February 13, 2022, 03:21:53 AM »
My neighbor needs a double lung transplant, he got so bad he was taken off and still isn't back on the transplant list.

Was he the anti-vaxxer Don?
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #405 on: February 13, 2022, 10:37:16 AM »
What I'm finding crazy is how one person can get covid but not necessarily their "significant other" My oldest brother got it but my sister inlaw didn't, both are vaxxed and my brother just dealt with mild symptoms. Maybe my sis inlaw didn't get it because she's vaxxed but a friend of mine at work, she's had it twice already but not her fiance, both are not vaxxed. My oldest son though, he, my daughter inlaw and my 4 year old granddaughter got it recently. My son and daughter inlaw are both vaxxed but granddaughter isn't. My son and daughter inlaw felt like crud for about a week but my granddaughter, even though she was showing a fever she still was just as active as you would expect a 4 year old to be.

this is what the crux of the matter is, and  why personal choice is important. The data is inconclusive.....the opinions as to the truth of data sources are divided....and devisive.
We know a couple, early 70's, gone about 3 weeks after their 3rd shot......
Similar family experiences as yours with my family.
In the past two years, I've been to a championship collage football game (indoors), a few concerts, car shows, bike shows, air shows, stayed in hotels, restaurants..pretty much maskless.....flown to Co. twice, multiple surgeries.......just lots of exposure......I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
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« Reply #406 on: February 13, 2022, 11:20:57 AM »

I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
Perhaps the Moderna shot you got a while back had something to do with your luck?

Got a moderna a few weeks ago, reluctantly. Felt a little weird the next day driving to a bike show.....it passed.
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« Reply #407 on: February 13, 2022, 12:46:37 PM »

I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
Perhaps the Moderna shot you got a while back had something to do with your luck?

Got a moderna a few weeks ago, reluctantly. Felt a little weird the next day driving to a bike show.....it passed.

Yep, no super powers after all, just a bad memory. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #408 on: February 13, 2022, 07:38:12 PM »

I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
Perhaps the Moderna shot you got a while back had something to do with your luck?

Got a moderna a few weeks ago, reluctantly. Felt a little weird the next day driving to a bike show.....it passed.
lol...
How does a shot become effective almost two years before you get it? Do you think I did all those things since 9/17/21?....hmm?.....what's your point?....to prove how ignorant you are.....you succeeded.

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« Reply #409 on: February 13, 2022, 07:47:38 PM »

I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
Perhaps the Moderna shot you got a while back had something to do with your luck?
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Got a moderna a few weeks ago, reluctantly. Felt a little weird the next day driving to a bike show.....it passed.

Yep, no super powers after all, just a bad memory. ;D

How's it a bad memory .....Since when does a shot protect you almost two years before you get it?....LSU won their national championship in Jan 2020. yeah, really, look it up......You think all the other places I mentioned were after sept. 20201 to now?.......hmmm?.....the only place basically after sept was barber....and according to you and yours, one shot isn't enough, yet, wow, I survived.....
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« Reply #410 on: February 13, 2022, 07:58:00 PM »

I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
Perhaps the Moderna shot you got a while back had something to do with your luck?

Got a moderna a few weeks ago, reluctantly. Felt a little weird the next day driving to a bike show.....it passed.
lol...
How does a shot become effective almost two years before you get it? Do you think I did all those things since 9/17/21?....hmm?.....what's your point?....to prove how ignorant you are.....you succeeded.
Keeping on topic, have you had any negative side effects after getting the shot?
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« Reply #411 on: February 13, 2022, 07:59:30 PM »
lol......how does a shot protect you almost two years before you get it? You think I  went to all of those places between sept 2021 and now?.....do you even think before you type?.....how is my statement false. I went to more than one bike show well before barber.......and everything else I mentioned well before sept 2021....
LSU played their national game in Jan 2020...yeah, really they did.....and by my calculations, that's,what, 21 months before I received a shot?....and in that 21 months, ya think I might've just done the things I said I did?.......
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« Reply #412 on: February 13, 2022, 08:06:40 PM »
lol......how does a shot protect you almost two years before you get it? You think I  went to all of those places between sept 2021 and now?.....do you even think before you type?.....how is my statement false. I went to more than one bike show well before barber.......and everything else I mentioned well before sept 2021....
I never said your statement was false, I merely asked if you had any negative side effects after getting the shot.
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« Reply #413 on: February 14, 2022, 12:51:11 AM »

I've been fine.....never sick, lucky I guess..
yep, crazy....
Perhaps the Moderna shot you got a while back had something to do with your luck?
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Got a moderna a few weeks ago, reluctantly. Felt a little weird the next day driving to a bike show.....it passed.

Yep, no super powers after all, just a bad memory. ;D

How's it a bad memory .....Since when does a shot protect you almost two years before you get it?....LSU won their national championship in Jan 2020. yeah, really, look it up......You think all the other places I mentioned were after sept. 20201 to now?.......hmmm?.....the only place basically after sept was barber....and according to you and yours, one shot isn't enough, yet, wow, I survived.....
      Quit trying to trap , your only making yourself look a fool....

Er, most of us didn't get vaccinated until last year either, and in January 2020, the virus was hardly even known about, so yes, just like everyone else in the world, you could have walked around freely back then, with very little risk of catching it. Why did did you change your mind and get the vaccination at all if you weren't concerned about contracting it, did you chicken out? I saw a post here where some psycho sent another member a PM telling him that he couldn't call himself a true conservative if he supported the vaccine, I guess that wasn't you then? ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: COVID vaccine - Who has received - provide details and side effects
« Reply #414 on: February 14, 2022, 01:16:30 AM »
I have worked from home from March 12 2020 and still do, maybe back in office  middle of April this year.

My first injection April 28 2021, second in June 9 and finally no 3 December 15. All 3 Pfizer.
Future will tell what I got injected.
They could have added some Testosterone and Viagra into the mix for free ;D

First injection: Pain where injected, like a hit by a baseball bat.
2nd, arm pain again + headache.
3rd: Only arm pain after a few hours appr 3 days duration

Hopefully no more injections needed. I prefer to keep distance and ride my bikes alone. Just me and my bike makes 2 ;D
Sometimes with wife =3.

Jumping on crowded dancefloors kissing and massaging unknown women was done in the 80's early 90's ;D
When music still was good, today horrible!!!

The Covid virus history look like the Spanish flu that was really bad during 2 years. No vaccines. Virus develops to a "nicer" variant. Probably what is called seasonal flu after that.
But recommendations to elders to get vaccine for "norma flu" was common from the 90's.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health
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« Reply #415 on: February 15, 2022, 10:42:38 PM »
I was talking to my physiotherapist, Maria, who's from Columbia (all I could think of was "Narcos" when she told me that) told me that her unvaccinated dad, 59, in Columbia almost died from Covid-19 last year. I asked how he is now, and she said he's pretty much buggared, his lungs are toast, he was really fit before the virus, and now he can't work, he just sits in his lounge chair with his oxygen bottle and gets tired just walking around the house.

A lot of folks think that they'll inevitably get covid (they probably will) then they'll be fine again, but if they haven't been vaccinated, if it doesn't kill them it may well shorten their lives, and affect their quality of life. People should be more concerned about the long term effects of the virus, and less about the long term effects of the vaccine. ;D
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« Reply #416 on: February 16, 2022, 06:34:05 AM »
well, that's your choice and your opinion which you are entitled to. And you shouldn't be vilified for it.

And that should work BOTH ways...which it hasn't, and that is the problem.


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« Reply #417 on: February 16, 2022, 06:58:16 AM »
Myocarditis is extremely rare.

Out of nearly 200 million people who have reeived the vaccine, there are 1626 cases of myocarditis.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2022/02/02/20/05/myocarditis-cases-reported-after

From the article:
"Of the 96.4% of patients who were hospitalized, none died, and 98% had been discharged from the hospital at the time of writing."

"Although the side-effects – myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart – sound worrying, most cases have been mild with symptoms such as chest pain or changes in heart rhythm and don’t last long. It appears to be more common among males, but so far, it is unclear what causes the side-effect, and why there is a gender bias.

Researchers at the US the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) emphasise that such side-effects are extremely rare. Moreover, the benefits of being protected against COVID-19 far outweigh the risks.

The CDC researchers estimated there might be a maximum of 70 cases of myocarditis out of a million second doses given to boys ages 12 to 17, but that the vaccine would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalisations and two deaths."

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-you-need-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-myocarditis-teens?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3rKQBhCNARIsACUEW_aGLzLTHIpB9fi2PprFsCq0-1jo2rjSZcu1POPyOwzorD2QpdIyTKkaApmLEALw_wcB

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« Reply #418 on: February 16, 2022, 08:07:13 AM »
Myocarditis is extremely rare.

Out of nearly 200 million people who have reeived the vaccine, there are 1626 cases of myocarditis.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2022/02/02/20/05/myocarditis-cases-reported-after

From the article:
"Of the 96.4% of patients who were hospitalized, none died, and 98% had been discharged from the hospital at the time of writing."

"Although the side-effects – myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart – sound worrying, most cases have been mild with symptoms such as chest pain or changes in heart rhythm and don’t last long. It appears to be more common among males, but so far, it is unclear what causes the side-effect, and why there is a gender bias.

Researchers at the US the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) emphasise that such side-effects are extremely rare. Moreover, the benefits of being protected against COVID-19 far outweigh the risks.

The CDC researchers estimated there might be a maximum of 70 cases of myocarditis out of a million second doses given to boys ages 12 to 17, but that the vaccine would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalisations and two deaths."

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-you-need-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-myocarditis-teens?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3rKQBhCNARIsACUEW_aGLzLTHIpB9fi2PprFsCq0-1jo2rjSZcu1POPyOwzorD2QpdIyTKkaApmLEALw_wcB

Officially, the cases of myocarditis are rare. The VAERs data paints a completely different picture. The decision was made to not attribute any adverse reactions, injuries, or death to the vaccine unless at least 2 weeks have passed. They don't consider a person to be (officially) vaccinated until the vaccine has been in the patient's system for 2 weeks. That is pretty important, considering most reactions occur within a few days.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html?

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« Reply #419 on: February 16, 2022, 11:09:24 AM »
Officially, the cases of myocarditis are rare. The VAERs data paints a completely different picture. The decision was made to not attribute any adverse reactions, injuries, or death to the vaccine unless at least 2 weeks have passed. They don't consider a person to be (officially) vaccinated until the vaccine has been in the patient's system for 2 weeks. That is pretty important, considering most reactions occur within a few days.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/datasets.html?

The ACC article I linked to actually states that the time frame is essentially right after vaccination, not two weeks:

"Median time from vaccination to symptom onset was 3 days (interquartile range [IQR], 1-8 days) for cases that occurred after the first vaccination dose and 2 days (IQR, 1-3 days) for cases that occurred after the second dose."

It also states that, as a passive system. VAERS may underreport or overreport cases. VAERS also states that although there may be correlation it does not necessarily mean causation. One can imagine someone with very mild symptoms not thinking it is worth reporting, or someone who got the vaccine, ate a bad chili dog, and reported that it was caused by the vaccine when it wasn't.

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« Reply #420 on: February 16, 2022, 01:11:35 PM »
I had peridarditis caused by flu. Forty years ago.
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« Reply #421 on: February 16, 2022, 01:40:15 PM »
Myocarditis is extremely rare.

Out of nearly 200 million people who have reeived the vaccine, there are 1626 cases of myocarditis.
https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/journal-scans/2022/02/02/20/05/myocarditis-cases-reported-after

From the article:
"Of the 96.4% of patients who were hospitalized, none died, and 98% had been discharged from the hospital at the time of writing."

"Although the side-effects – myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart – sound worrying, most cases have been mild with symptoms such as chest pain or changes in heart rhythm and don’t last long. It appears to be more common among males, but so far, it is unclear what causes the side-effect, and why there is a gender bias.

Researchers at the US the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) emphasise that such side-effects are extremely rare. Moreover, the benefits of being protected against COVID-19 far outweigh the risks.

The CDC researchers estimated there might be a maximum of 70 cases of myocarditis out of a million second doses given to boys ages 12 to 17, but that the vaccine would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalisations and two deaths."

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/what-you-need-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-and-myocarditis-teens?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3rKQBhCNARIsACUEW_aGLzLTHIpB9fi2PprFsCq0-1jo2rjSZcu1POPyOwzorD2QpdIyTKkaApmLEALw_wcB

Excellent post Chickenman, so some people are apparently not getting vaccinated because a 1 in 350-ish risk of dying from covid in the US is somehow trumped by a 1 in 123,000 chance of contracting a super rare illness that you probably won’t die from anyway. Yep, that makes a lot of sense. Not….. ;D
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Re: COVID vaccine - Who has received - provide details and side effects
« Reply #422 on: February 16, 2022, 02:20:39 PM »
I don't think you understood what Terry posted. The 1-in-350 is dying from Covid, which you just related to... dying from Covid. So it's .0028 dying from Covid, or .000008 having myocarditis as a side effect (and, as the report states, the vast majority of these are minor). That is, you are 350 times more likely to die from Covid than suffer an almost exclusively mild side effect.

But to say there are no side effects or long term health risks is untrue, naive, and completely unfounded. Mostly because there is not yet equate long term data to analyze. Not…. ::)

This is a straw man. Nobody here has ever said that there are never side effects. But they are, as studies show, miniscule compared to the risk of dying of Covid and almost exclusively minor.

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Re: COVID vaccine - Who has received - provide details and side effects
« Reply #423 on: February 16, 2022, 03:23:48 PM »
I don't think you understood what Terry posted. The 1-in-350 is dying from Covid, which you just related to... dying from Covid. So it's .0028 dying from Covid, or .000008 having myocarditis as a side effect (and, as the report states, the vast majority of these are minor). That is, you are 350 times more likely to die from Covid than suffer an almost exclusively mild side effect.

But to say there are no side effects or long term health risks is untrue, naive, and completely unfounded. Mostly because there is not yet equate long term data to analyze. Not…. ::)

This is a straw man. Nobody here has ever said that there are never side effects. But they are, as studies show, miniscule compared to the risk of dying of Covid and almost exclusively minor.

Ha ha, Yep, he couldn’t comprehend simple logic mate, and I don’t know how I could have dumbed it down any further, but there you go, all of his bluster is just making his argument weaker every time he posts his “untrue, naive and completely unfounded” opinion.

I’m surprised he hasn’t raised his concerns about the long term environmental impact of the manufacturing of all of those masks, hypodermic syringes and ventilators…… ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: COVID vaccine - Who has received - provide details and side effects
« Reply #424 on: February 16, 2022, 05:20:39 PM »
You blokes are gunna get another thread shut down.
I'll give you a tip, there is no forum rule that says "He who types last wins the argument"
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