Topic: Early Sandcast Found......

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, sounds like bullsh1t to me Frank, if the parts manual has a pic of a centre stand with the brace, and the only other pic is the owners manual with an obvious "pre-production" model, sans brace. I've decided that most "Experts" are full of sh1t..........    

[BenelliSEI]

According to sandcast site.
 It changed at 1120 ? Or 1256 ?    Amd goes on to state no known part number change..

Frank ....., thanks for all the info and history lesson. As always, much appreciated! John D.

[PeWe]

Was that bracing initially for specific markets where needed?
Heavier foot
Later for all...

[Don R]

 Mine all have the brace, 5511, 14100, 36??? I have a K0 stand on a K2 that was narrowed for a hooker header, it  also has the brace. 

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, looking at that page from the Honda parts manual, there’s only one pic, and one part number. All other changes are listed as “from engine number XXX” with a picture of the different part (the original sandcast gear shift mechanism, for instance) but not the stand. One pic, one part number, no changes listed.

[754]

Most but not all changes are noted..
 I tried to add screenshot, but i can  not post images right now.
 That is why I included the note from the sandcast  site, it says...no known part number change.
 And it is not the only piece..

 All that aside, you can probably tell if its an early one , by the welds on it... they look different than later welds..

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, well the good thing for me, and John, and Don, and probably everyone else here with a K0, we have the "correct" centre stand, as per Honda's official parts manual.

[PeWe]

There is no older parts manual printed 1969 which will ensure whats used back then?

Later manuals have the parts Honda had available when printed.

[Terry in Australia]

There is no older parts manual printed 1969 which will ensure whats used back then?

Later manuals have the parts Honda had available when printed.

No doubt Per, mine is dated 1974, but lists all changes from 1969 to 1974. I do have a “Green” workshop manual, (printed before Honda changed them to blue/white) I’ll check to see if there are any pics therein. 

[Don R]

 I'm gonna cut the braces off all of mine just to be contrary. L0L!

[754]

When I had # 572... there was no brace to cut off..

[PeWe]

There is no older parts manual printed 1969 which will ensure whats used back then?

Later manuals have the parts Honda had available when printed.

No doubt Per, mine is dated 1974, but lists all changes from 1969 to 1974. I do have a “Green” workshop manual, (printed before Honda changed them to blue/white) I’ll check to see if there are any pics therein. 

Here a little bit earlier CB750 parts manual.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362840436568?hash=item547af9af58:g:TRkAAOSwQ5tftJdS

It must be earlier around too.

[PeWe]

There is no older parts manual printed 1969 which will ensure whats used back then?

Later manuals have the parts Honda had available when printed.

No doubt Per, mine is dated 1974, but lists all changes from 1969 to 1974. I do have a “Green” workshop manual, (printed before Honda changed them to blue/white) I’ll check to see if there are any pics therein. 

Here a little bit earlier CB750 parts manual.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362840436568?hash=item547af9af58:g:TRkAAOSwQ5tftJdS

It must be earlier around too.

Earlier one here!
"K0" was not invented then. It came after K1, right?
CB750 was the model name.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363338376584?hash=item5498a7a588:g:GuAAAOSwJ2dgYiSe

[Terry in Australia]

There is no older parts manual printed 1969 which will ensure whats used back then?

Later manuals have the parts Honda had available when printed.

No doubt Per, mine is dated 1974, but lists all changes from 1969 to 1974. I do have a “Green” workshop manual, (printed before Honda changed them to blue/white) I’ll check to see if there are any pics therein. 

Here a little bit earlier CB750 parts manual.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362840436568?hash=item547af9af58:g:TRkAAOSwQ5tftJdS

It must be earlier around too.

Earlier one here!
"K0" was not invented then. It came after K1, right?
CB750 was the model name.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/363338376584?hash=item5498a7a588:g:GuAAAOSwJ2dgYiSe

Thanks Per, I just did the "Buy it now" to add to my collection of Honda manuals. The "K0" did exist officially according to one book I have here, but only referred to the "Transition Model" that came out in mid 1970 which had some K1 parts fitted in the factory, such as K1 gauges, K1 carbs, etc etc.

Marcel (CB750gaugefaces.com) was a member here and he bought one a few years before he started his business, we all thought he had the wrong gauges (even though he bought the bike from the original owner who swore the K1 gauges were on it from new) but we convinced him they weren't right, so he restored some earlier CB750K gauges and restored them, and hey presto! His business started. I should remind him that I inadvertently was responsible for his business next time I have him restore some gauges so I get a fat discount.......  

[754]

I have a green  one like that, i think aound 6th month of 70.
 If it was a 69 one it wont show gold paint introduction, and a lot of parts change on KO at 26 ***

 I think it might be oil lines, that it does not mention the black ones or when they stopped using them... I thing 300 or less bikes had them..

[PeWe]

Terry, I was sure you could not resist that one!
It must show the really early parts.

It was sold just around your corner, as made for you!

If you have a scanner and printer, you can multiply it.
Use one of the copies.
Or only scan to pdf's.

[BenelliSEI]

Wow..... I don’t look in for 24hrs and my thread is completely hijacked! What fun!

[PeWe]

Yes, earliest CB750 talk is very contagious!
Terry will hopefully soon know more about the part number and how the center stand looked like 1969.

[RAFster122s]

If PeWe postedthebookfor you,Terry has it... Don't know if you can have visitation rights or not...

[BenelliSEI]

Yes, earliest CB750 talk is very contagious!
Terry will hopefully soon know more about the part number and how the center stand looked like 1969.

Per..... I’m sure the “braced stand” on #1250 is original. It’s going back on!

[754]

What dothe welds look like... i know on rear footpegs, they had welds you never saw the likes of on 72 or later bikes..

[PeWe]

If PeWe postedthebookfor you,Terry has it... Don't know if you can have visitation rights or not...

My search for an older manual was initiated by Terry's 1974 Parts manual. It must be earlier manual out there. I found up to K1, new printed manual from vintagecb750 and finally this one from April 1969.

I saw the manual was sold in New Zeeland so my thought when I saw it was perfect for Terry. Just around his corner.

Terry can hopefully trade copies to people in need

[PeWe]

Yes, earliest CB750 talk is very contagious!
Terry will hopefully soon know more about the part number and how the center stand looked like 1969.

Per..... I’m sure the “braced stand” on #1250 is original. It’s going back on!

It is strange if it is not the  original when it was mounted on the bike.
The stand can go off with 4-4 when changing to 4-1.

Interesting detail anyway. Side stands have looked different too for CB750.

[BenelliSEI]

What dothe welds look like... i know on rear footpegs, they had welds you never saw the likes of on 72 or later bikes..

Some brutal welds. I picked off some really sharp splatter, but otherwise  left them alone.

[Terry in Australia]

Yep, I think Honda must have hired new welders due to the surge in CB750 sales, as some of the welds on my K0 and my 1970 K1 frame are worse than my crappy welds, and I’m half blind!