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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2026, 11:27:21 AM »
Yeah, the biggest struggle I have with mics: "Is this one calibrated the same as mine?"
Once, in a machine shop where I worked for 15 years, we compared our mics' measure of a given steel plate, flat-ground, between 4 guys at separate times, and not talking with each other. I was shocked to discover in the end that my reading was "right" per the guy who ground the plate, but it turned out that my micrometer was also the newest one: I had bought it a month before and took it out of the new plastic wrapper to measure that little plate, and used the ratchet spring tension in the handle as my "tightness" setting, not being yet familiar with this new one.

Now, 30 years later, I'd bet $$ that the spring in the handle's knob wouldn't give me exactly that same reading of that plate today.

That's why I like Plastigage. ;)
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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2026, 03:44:21 PM »
Might I suggest Plastigage for measuring bearing clearances........
https://www.plastigaugeusa.com/how.html

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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2026, 08:13:17 PM »
Yeah, the biggest struggle I have with mics: "Is this one calibrated the same as mine?"
Once, in a machine shop where I worked for 15 years, we compared our mics' measure of a given steel plate, flat-ground, between 4 guys at separate times, and not talking with each other. I was shocked to discover in the end that my reading was "right" per the guy who ground the plate, but it turned out that my micrometer was also the newest one: I had bought it a month before and took it out of the new plastic wrapper to measure that little plate, and used the ratchet spring tension in the handle as my "tightness" setting, not being yet familiar with this new one.

Now, 30 years later, I'd bet $$ that the spring in the handle's knob wouldn't give me exactly that same reading of that plate today.

That's why I like Plastigage. ;)

Gage blocks come with a row that go .1001, .1002, .1003, .1004, .1005 up to .1009. Any decent machinist should be able to sort those out just using their own micrometer that has 1/10 vernier. Honestly a good machinist should be able to sort them out with mike that only reads in .001. Telescope gauges and bores is a bit more finicky. The "rule" I was taught was that the measuring instrument should resolve to 1/10 of your tolerance. Another "rule" is to use at least two methods of measurement to confirm an important dimension. More than one shop would take all of our stuff to the QC lab and check it and put a calibration sticker on it at least once a year, my stuff never needed changed, it was dead on every time because I kept it that way. They use an optical flat to make sure mike faces are square and of course I had no such thing of my own.

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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2026, 09:39:54 PM »
The "secret" issue with trying to measure these engines' bearings/journals is: the journals don't all wear evenly across their whole widths. Most often I have found that the center main bearing is evenly worn, but it is the only one: the outer 2 are usually wider toward their outer ends, and the #2 and #4 bearings vary, sometimes being wider at one side and sometimes being straight all across. This is shown using Plastigage, if when I find one that is 'worse than usual' I will Plastigage it twice to be sure, then go from there with the measurements it shows. I have done them 3 times on occasion, too. It is almost always the #2 and #4 mains that do this, and once in a while the #5 (by the points) is often the worst (loosest) wear. That probably makes sense from the standpoint that the main journal fills from the center via the oil filter. The rods, though, are more often evenly worn across their faces, which is interesting given they get less oil than the mains.

Plastigaging my old Ford 200 CID inline Six (in 1996) when I rebuilt it was a similar experience, although there were no stamped numbers on that one's crank nor rods: it was just measure it, guess which bearing thickness might work, Plastigage the results (and then buy new bearings again, or trade them, if it was too loose). During that one I became much more practiced at using the ID bore gage.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2026, 08:05:28 AM »
The "secret" issue with trying to measure these engines' bearings/journals is: the journals don't all wear evenly across their whole widths. Most often I have found that the center main bearing is evenly worn, but it is the only one: the outer 2 are usually wider toward their outer ends, and the #2 and #4 bearings vary, sometimes being wider at one side and sometimes being straight all across. This is shown using Plastigage, if when I find one that is 'worse than usual' I will Plastigage it twice to be sure, then go from there with the measurements it shows. I have done them 3 times on occasion, too. It is almost always the #2 and #4 mains that do this, and once in a while the #5 (by the points) is often the worst (loosest) wear. That probably makes sense from the standpoint that the main journal fills from the center via the oil filter. The rods, though, are more often evenly worn across their faces, which is interesting given they get less oil than the mains.

Plastigaging my old Ford 200 CID inline Six (in 1996) when I rebuilt it was a similar experience, although there were no stamped numbers on that one's crank nor rods: it was just measure it, guess which bearing thickness might work, Plastigage the results (and then buy new bearings again, or trade them, if it was too loose). During that one I became much more practiced at using the ID bore gage.

I really wish somebody would come on board with modern bearing shells. Jim's Automotive would be a really great guy to work into grinding cranks. That would let us salvage cranks that need ground. I think you said you had your own mine of crank cores.

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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2026, 11:30:48 AM »
Personally I am a plastigage guy when it comes to plain rod and main bearings. This stuff is great for guys that do not trust their eyes or hands or there is access issues. I have done bearing bores and outer bearing races with a micrometer with accurate results, the key being to use one micrometer with a telescoping gauge or double plunger arm. Because you are using the same micrometer, a numerical calibration variance means little since we are looking at a clearance or difference of a few thou at best in tool thread movement. Employing the same tool means one choice. Now that being said there are those of us that would screw up the |Lord's Prayer; provided they knew how it went lol!

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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2026, 12:20:00 PM »
Personally I am a plastigage guy when it comes to plain rod and main bearings. This stuff is great for guys that do not trust their eyes or hands or there is access issues. I have done bearing bores and outer bearing races with a micrometer with accurate results, the key being to use one micrometer with a telescoping gauge or double plunger arm. Because you are using the same micrometer, a numerical calibration variance means little since we are looking at a clearance or difference of a few thou at best in tool thread movement. Employing the same tool means one choice. Now that being said there are those of us that would screw up the |Lord's Prayer; provided they knew how it went lol!

Good point about using same mike to measure the telescope gauge and the crank journal :-), and or set a dial bore gauge.

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Re: 750 sohc main bearing dilemma
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2026, 12:28:39 PM »
The "secret" issue with trying to measure these engines' bearings/journals is: the journals don't all wear evenly across their whole widths. Most often I have found that the center main bearing is evenly worn, but it is the only one: the outer 2 are usually wider toward their outer ends, and the #2 and #4 bearings vary, sometimes being wider at one side and sometimes being straight all across. This is shown using Plastigage, if when I find one that is 'worse than usual' I will Plastigage it twice to be sure, then go from there with the measurements it shows. I have done them 3 times on occasion, too. It is almost always the #2 and #4 mains that do this, and once in a while the #5 (by the points) is often the worst (loosest) wear. That probably makes sense from the standpoint that the main journal fills from the center via the oil filter. The rods, though, are more often evenly worn across their faces, which is interesting given they get less oil than the mains.

Plastigaging my old Ford 200 CID inline Six (in 1996) when I rebuilt it was a similar experience, although there were no stamped numbers on that one's crank nor rods: it was just measure it, guess which bearing thickness might work, Plastigage the results (and then buy new bearings again, or trade them, if it was too loose). During that one I became much more practiced at using the ID bore gage.

I really wish somebody would come on board with modern bearing shells. Jim's Automotive would be a really great guy to work into grinding cranks. That would let us salvage cranks that need ground. I think you said you had your own mine of crank cores.

Bill

I asked my machine shop about this: like, "Where do you guys get bearings shells?". He replied, "My brother, who rebuilds cranks for me in his crankshaft shop. He starts by grinding the journals 0.010" and then finds bearings for them."
Well, rats. I haven't met his brother...maybe I should?
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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