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Offline Jimcg

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Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« on: February 23, 2021, 09:20:03 PM »
Hi guys!

I started painting last night and ran out of etching primer before I was finished. Some parts only got two light covers and are far from finished.

I ordered more paint but will have to wait for it a few days. Can I just continue where I was or is it ruined now since I will have gone past the 10 minutes between layers by lightyears? Or should I wait even longer than just a few days?

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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2021, 02:57:03 AM »
Primer is just to wet sand a little with grit 800 when cured. Then ready for another round of paint.
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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2021, 03:21:01 AM »
Primer is just to wet sand a little with grit 800 when cured. Then ready for another round of paint.

Okay, do you think that goes for etching primer as well?

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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2021, 04:14:50 AM »
Etch primer isn't used as an undercoat like regular primer, it's meant to just be "fogged" over the metal surface to "etch" the surface so the following coats of primer (or with engine parts, the actual engine paint) will stick. If you've managed to get a couple of light coats down, that's all you need, and you're good to go, it'll be fine. ;D
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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2021, 10:39:58 AM »
Etch primer isn't used as an undercoat like regular primer, it's meant to just be "fogged" over the metal surface to "etch" the surface so the following coats of primer (or with engine parts, the actual engine paint) will stick. If you've managed to get a couple of light coats down, that's all you need, and you're good to go, it'll be fine. ;D
Sounds hopeful, Terry! Maybe I put to much on. Instructions say two light coats followed by one medium coat. But unfortunately I think there are areas on the stupid comstar rims that almost didn't get any paint at all. I have them at work so I can't check right now. A guy on a swedish forum said about my situation that the solvent now has to evaporate completely before I can add more etching primer and that would take 2-3 weeks otherwise it could happen the adhesion won't be good enough when the solvent gases from my first layers wants to get out. I really don't want to wait that long but if I risk the final result being a disaster there's not many options.

I have regular primer and black wheel paint from the same manufacturer (VHT) to be painted after the etching primer is finished.

What I do know is that if anyone asks me about painting comstar rims, I'd say NOOO! Get the powder coated. I wanted them black but without spending a lot of money. I also thought that if I painted myself I wouldn't have to remove bearings and other stuff which I guess would have to be removed for a powder coat job. Another annoying thing I discovered is getting paint on the inside of the "spokes" without getting to much on the surrounding areas of the outside is almost impossible. In retrospect I don't understand how I didn't see that problem before I started. Maybe I should make some sort of paper cover for the outside while painting the insides.

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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2021, 01:30:19 PM »
Yeah mate, don’t worry about waiting 2-3 weeks, that’s just BS. I used to paint cars for money and using that strategy it would take weeks, if not months, to paint a car, something that I would usually do, complete with rust repairs, in a few days.

If you have areas with no etch primer at all, just buy another rattle can and (providing you’re painting somewhere warm) just spray a couple of light coats over the bare areas, let it “flash off” then apply the primer, when it’s dry give the primer a light rub back with 600-800 grit paper to “De-Knib” it, then wipe it with prep wash (wax and grease remover, usually also available in a rattle can) wipe it dry, run a tack cloth over the whole deal to remove any dust or lint, then hit it with the top coat, easy peasy.

Powdercoat on Comstars has plenty of issues too, it’ll be a nightmare for a powdercoater to ensure that during the baking process no old grease, oil or roadkill runs out from inside and ruins the finish, so the only way you could ensure a perfect job would be to strip the wheels, drill out all the rivets, media blast the insides of the “spokes”, powdercoat every piece then either rivet them, or screw them back together, hoping that you haven’t ruined their structural integrity. Just paint’em mate, take your time, and be happy with what you’ve  achieved for not much money. ;D
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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2021, 09:06:42 PM »
Many thanks, Terry! I appreciate all the information. 👍

I'm doing the paint job in the basement at work, a warm and perfect place. Besides the parts for the bike I also have a test piece of scrap that I give the same treatment. I'll start with that one this weekend when new paint has arrived.

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Re: Ran out of etch primer, is it ruined?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2021, 11:48:59 PM »
Many thanks, Terry! I appreciate all the information. 👍

I'm doing the paint job in the basement at work, a warm and perfect place. Besides the parts for the bike I also have a test piece of scrap that I give the same treatment. I'll start with that one this weekend when new paint has arrived.

/Jim

No worries Jim, if you need any more help, just let me know. ;D
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