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Offline Maraakate

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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2021, 12:33:16 PM »
If the problem still persists after swapping 1 and 4 wires then you really need to do a compression test.  OTC has a decent one for about $70 on Amazon.  Just avoid Harbor Freight ones as they may give unreliable readings.  If you can't afford the tool ask a buddy to borrow one or stop by and test for you.  Without confirming the compression you may be chasing your tail.
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2021, 12:33:56 PM »
I saw one CB550 at a friends garage a few years ago with electrical gremlins. We ended up into the fuse box when measuring the wires with help of circuit diagram.
One fuse sat wrong, between the real places shortening 2 circuits. Owner had placed the fuse wrong.

3 fuses beside each other, too close so a fuse could be placed one notch wrong.  Designed to cause errror....
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2021, 01:33:29 PM »
1 and 4 can be finger tested, you can probably feel if it only had 1/2 -the compression it should..
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2021, 02:23:06 PM »
1 and 4 can be finger tested, you can probably feel if it only had 1/2 -the compression it should..
exactly...compression tester is nearly the most worthless tool around for these.  If it will push your thumb off the hole, it will run.  If you need to buy a tool, buy a leakdown tester
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2021, 01:36:26 AM »
use the guage to compare equal compressions,60 psi will blow your thumb off,so will 120 psi,your thumb wont tell the difference.

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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2021, 03:55:20 AM »
use the guage to compare equal compressions,60 psi will blow your thumb off,so will 120 psi,your thumb wont tell the difference.
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2021, 03:57:19 AM »
we aint allowed to say dykes over here,some thing about it upsets lesbians?

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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2021, 04:29:57 AM »
Fun reading about compression
https://www.motorcycleproject.com/text/compression_truth.html

I like it as a tool to verify that all cylinders are equal, not differ that much.

And compare what changed with another cam.

I have seen increased compression with more lash on a DP315 cam that need lots of lash or higher static compression.
Numbers reduced a lot with 0.1/0.15mm lash  (common hot cam lash) compared to its recommended 0.3mm lash. Road test verified the numbers. Really dull response despite higher lift, more duration.
Lack of compression did it.

So more valve lash is not a guarantee of lost power, maybe opposite.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2021, 10:07:18 AM »
Well Cat was supposed to respond to this thread last night and save you guys a bunch of time. But we got the bike running after figuring out what was a really stupid problem. We are getting this 550 engine running in its original chassis which is a 77 K model that is really beat to #$%* but 90% stock. And when the engine is running we were going to pull it to put it in a 500 chassis. So really all we wanted to do was confirm it runs before we move forward on the project.

Anyways, we swapped the coil leads for 1 & 4. Didn't do anything else besides the valve adjustment the night before, but all valves were close to spec. Not sure what that helped but now the bike was running on all 4 cylinders. It was still running weakly on choke only, though.

Since we are planning to pull the engine the chain and sprocket are removed as well as the sprocket cover. As we had it running I noticed the sprocket shaft is spinning really fast. So I stick my foot out to stop it and it's not stopping. So we shut the engine off and it is in THIRD gear. This whole time, lol. We put the gearshift lever back on and shifted to neutral, and it ran fine, no choke. It revs up and returns to idle. It will need a carb sync, but that's all. There is also some puffing from the carbs when you crack the throttle, but I think that can be fixed when the airbox is installed and air screws adjusted.
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2021, 10:09:40 AM »
Guess you beat me to it jake, thanks for posting the update

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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2021, 10:12:16 AM »
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2021, 10:58:02 AM »
Bad connectors, oxide, right?
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2021, 01:21:06 PM »
Always check the easy (and free) stuff first..Congratulations on getting it running!!!  My guess is you seated the plug cap to the wire when you swapped 1 &4..
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2021, 01:28:54 PM »
That is totally possible.
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Re: Setting points - extremely weird problem
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2021, 02:30:21 PM »
All's well that ends well.

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