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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #100 on: March 31, 2021, 02:41:16 AM »
Yep, some folks get "wrapped around the axles" with modern motorcycle oil's advertising gimmickry, but at the end of the day, it's just oil. ;D
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #101 on: March 31, 2021, 08:35:50 PM »
I go into Tesco and buy mineral diesel oil and change every 1500 UK MILES with filter every time
You should be able to extend that 500miles to 2,000 mile intervals withput any problems at all.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #102 on: March 31, 2021, 08:41:48 PM »
If i was riding regularly maybe but even then probably not as the oil is abused by the gearbox and clutch, i will stick to Hondas times.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2021, 08:45:42 PM »
If i was riding regularly maybe but even then probably not as the oil is abused by the gearbox and clutch, i will stick to Hondas times.
The OEM manual I have in front of me  states :
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #104 on: March 31, 2021, 11:29:27 PM »
Yes ever 1500 for oil and 3000 for filter but i dont like putting clean oil through a dirty filter so i do both every 1500. Did you notice the scedule gives a different interval to the manual and the manual is same as the huge wall chart supplied by Honda UK to dealers

PS i have multiple copies of that manual including the original dealer"Blue Book" copy + many parts lists including a Japanese one that shows many different interesting parts including the elusive side panel sticker
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2021, 11:38:07 PM »
Yes ever 1500 for oil and 3000 for filter but i dont like putting clean oil through a dirty filter so i do both every 1500. Did you notice the scedule gives a different interval to the manual and the schedule is same as the huge wall chart supplied by Honda UK to dealers

PS i have multiple copies of that manual including the original dealer"Blue Book" copy + many parts lists including a Japanese one that shows many different interesting parts including the elusive side panel sticker
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2021, 11:43:36 PM »
I don't do exclusive and don't really care ;). Clymer, Haynes and Cyclserv etc workshop manuals usually have little tips in them like using the rear axle bolt to remove the alternator rotor using the rear axle or make your own manometer and such like. I like as many references as possible from various sources and decide for myself what I should to service my machines.

4,000km oil/filter changes work fine for Darky. and has done for over a couple of decades now.As Terry said earlier oil quality these days is far superior to what it was when these bikes were manufactured.

My first manometer was mercury filed but it got tipped over and lost quite a lot of mercury during a house move so made a temporary one out of an aquarium 4 tap arrangement, a few meters of vacuum tube in a cheap and nasty car vacuum gauge. It worked fine using the taps for selecting the carb I wanted to test and closing it for until the needle didn't flicker.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #107 on: April 01, 2021, 12:13:54 AM »
I did not change oil during my long rides to the Mediterranean Sea. Total around 6000km, most of it in higher speeds that needed some oil to be added.

This before synth oils that are able to run harder, hotter and longer ;D
5000km feels OK for a filter after break-in period.

Not much used bike with condense inside engine can need fresh oil w filter more frequent.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #108 on: April 01, 2021, 12:23:20 AM »
I did not change oil during my long rides to the Mediterranean Sea. Total around 6000km, most of it in higher speeds that needed some oil to be added.

This before synth oils that are able to run harder, hotter and longer ;D
5000km feels OK for a filter after break-in period.

Not much used bike with condense inside engine can need fresh oil w filter more frequent.
Especially it the m/c is left outside. Slow around town riding isn't that good either.

Our shed is very dry most of the year but usually my rides are 50kms or more so not many slow around town riding and when I do I make sure the engine is well warmed up. That's one reason I upped the idle speed to 1200rpm or so.

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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #109 on: April 01, 2021, 02:06:00 AM »
i only do the filter every second oil change,bout 5000 kays for oil,rx super in 20 litres cost 99 bucks on special at supercheap,check truck supply places its always been a cheap oil at 100 bucks @20 litres,i use it in my car n mowers,bikes.

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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #110 on: April 01, 2021, 04:43:10 PM »
Pic. of the home made manometer I  put together for those doubting Tomas's

Cost less than nz$40 at the time. Manometers here were a couple of hundred to buy new back then.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2021, 05:41:29 PM »
Doubting Thomas' piss me off, those baastards! One thing I just thought about was how dirty the oil was that came out of the K0 on it's first oil change after 1000 miles. It was Castrol 4T motorcycle oil from memory, and I was surprised because I built the K0 engine from spotlessly clean upper and lower cases, and all the external covers, plus the head and cylinder block had been vapor blasted, and the "guts" I installed were all very clean, yet the oil that came out 1000 miles later looked like it had done 10,000 miles? Another thing I've never noticed using car oil.

I'm with Bryan on the "change both your oil and filter at the same time" point, I can't see any point in running clean oil thru a dirty filter either, filters are cheaper than cheap oil, and considering how filthy the Castrol 4T was after only 1000 miles on a new engine, there's no way I would have left that filter in my engine.

The number 1 killer of CB750's has never been the choice of oil brands, but rather, running bikes with filthy oil. Most of the CB750's I buy arrive dead, and in most cases, the remaining oil is filthy. One bike I bought many years ago had sheep or 'Roo poo in the oil tank, obviously the owner who lived in the country must have pissed someone off. Surprisingly, that engine ran like a timex watch and I on-sold it to another member here, who's still running it in his K1. 

I'm about to have new (Fcuking expensive) tyres put on my original 2007 Triumph Rocket III, it's now approaching it's 14th year, and in that time I've done a whopping 14000 Km. (9000 miles) It's only had it's first service (in 2009 after 2 years as my brother bought it new, rode it home, sh1t his pants and never rode it again until he sold it to me 2 years later) then the output shaft bearing failed after 8000 Km (5000 miles) due to a manufacturing fault (not a design fault) and the engine was completely disassembled, repaired, and of course new oil, filter and coolant etc was used. That was in around 2012 or 2013, so in 2015 with maybe 11000 Km I changed the oil and filter using Penrite semi-synthetic car oil, so I've asked the shop to also change the oil and filter, flush and replace the coolant, and flush and replace the brake fluid when they install the new Avon Venom tyres.

Being that I don't ride it enough, I probably won't change the oil for another two or 3 years, unless I attend the "Long Ride" later this year. for raising money for prostate cancer survivors. I've had prostate surgery but didn't have cancer, but I have a lot of sympathy for those guys (like Bobby R here) and it'll be great to do a ride through several states with some other like minded guys along the way. I suppose the good thing about the R3 is that it does 60 MPH @ 2200 RPM, so isn't working hard and testing the limits of the oil. ;D 
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2021, 08:26:50 PM »
That is a good cause Terry. Got the results from my recent test. Cancer free thank goodness..

On the bright side SuperCheap Autos has NGK D8EA and RP104s or is it  RP401s? BLOODY MEMORY!! on special for members so I'll get 4 spark plugs and 2 oil filters. Darky will be due for an oil/filter change in just under 1,000kms after todays wee skoot. Got home just before the rain started Not that I don't mind riding in rain only. I hate very high winds ( though both bike offer great protection wrt head winds and very stable in side winds.) and cold temperatures.

Have been know to bugger off mid-winter for a long ride (400kms or more) because I'm bored though.

Working on the bikes under the car port or riding them are my "happy places". I'm in no hurry to get anywhere fast ;)
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #113 on: April 02, 2021, 02:24:37 PM »
popped ion to town this morning and got the spark plugs along with the filters. Filters were from SuperCheap Autos The spark plugs from Repco just a block away at around the same discounted price SCA had them advertised. Apparently SCA so winding NGK stock and get in Bosh plugs instead.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2021, 03:01:17 PM »
Might get one of these some time just for #$%*s and giggles.

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/motorbikes/parts-for-sale/performance/listing/3036749263?bof=D4QsMt3U

They are cheaper now the what they were 20 years ago. I have a good cb550  cylinder block/barrels spare. Darky is still on the original standard pistons.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2021, 04:31:44 PM »
The 553 kit for the 500 is 550 + 0.50 piston kits. The 600 for the 550 unless suplied with liners takes the liners too thin
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #116 on: April 03, 2021, 04:38:55 PM »
i'd rather try it out for myself. I've over the years "things that can't be done" have been achieved quite easily by some one without any trouble.

I've sent the saler a message anyway so well what response is.
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« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2021, 04:46:22 PM »
People have modified standard 750 piston kits to fit a 500 and bored the 500 block but having seen one the liners are only about 1mm thick at the bottom and crack easily causing catastrofic damage when bits fall off.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2021, 04:52:40 PM »
People have modified standard 750 piston kits to fit a 500 and bored the 500 block but having seen one the liners are only about 1mm thick at the bottom and crack easily causing catastrofic damage when bits fall off.
Well that is a bit different from what is up for sale on that auction.
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« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2021, 04:56:37 PM »
Just because they say it ca be done dont mean its safe or will last.
I have a so called 605 kit for a 500which comes with new thicker liners so you have to bore the alloy block to fit new linersthen bore the new liners to fit the new pistons----good job i got my own boring bar!!!
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #120 on: April 03, 2021, 05:06:11 PM »
Good for you.  Again totally different to what is on offer. I'd  prefer to hear feed back from bike owners who have actually fitted the kits in the auction
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #121 on: April 03, 2021, 05:39:18 PM »
No liners supplied with the kits. I've asked about replacement rings/ring set available if one or get damaged on installation. Als ask about documentation wrt carb jet settings.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #122 on: April 03, 2021, 06:19:02 PM »
I have one of their oversized(2nd over) pistons in my 79 XL250S, no complaints after a couple of years.
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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #123 on: April 03, 2021, 07:27:03 PM »
ive used xl125 pistons in 500,they have a domed head.

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Re: CB500 largest rear sprocket?
« Reply #124 on: April 03, 2021, 09:41:04 PM »
I've just created acount at https://japbikespares.com

That action price with shipping and a bit of profit isn't bad at all at all I'll do a dummy order all the same to find  out the exact difference between the auction price and japbikepares.com

Bore size for the kit is 61.5mm. Increased from 58.50mm.
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