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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #75 on: June 06, 2021, 11:18:29 AM »
The old plugs from yesterday, the one’s I swapped out for new. D8EA. Plug 1 is a black white brown type porcelain. Two is black. Plug 3’s porcelain is a reddish brown if you can’t tell. Four is black and grey.
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« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2021, 11:28:13 AM »
It is a lot of things to keep track of, and it's tough being on the receiving end of so much advice when you're relatively new to this.

It's normal to get agitated and angry when your bike malfunctions. I suppose in the old days stepping away for a cigarette allowed enough time and distraction to let the bike and rider's agitation cool down long enough to figure things out. I like to keep a tank bag stocked with tools and snacks, at least 2 bottles of water, 2 apples and maybe some small boxes of raisins. (hydration, sugar and fiber) You never know who you're gonna meet out on the road, especially if you pull over for other stopped bikes.

I don't know how far your ride was, but good on ya for being prepared to take things apart and put them back together out on the road. Limping a bike home may not be fun but it sure is memorable. I've pushed some easy miles myself. I'm not sure if I'd be as cool with the unexpected curveballs when I was 25. I'm 50 now and my only advice is to make the best decisions regarding who you let into your life from here on out. Do EVERYTHING you want to do, and watch how fast these next 25 years pass. Enjoy your bike and the experiences it'll afford you, modern bikes can only take you places and its just not the same as being out on the old Hondas.

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2021, 11:39:30 AM »
So back to all stock carb parts, needle clip in top grooves, you've set your float heights, locked your advancer in the counter-clockwise end of its slop, you're running Shell V-power fuel.

What air filter are you running? Did that oiled paper filter go away?

I'm trying to make a list of what's set to spec, and where any non-stock parts are. (only the muffler right?)

Oh and you've got the stock air screws in? Tiny washers and o-rings are on them? How many turns out?

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2021, 11:42:22 AM »
Thanks Alan, as always I'm still happy to have my old Honda, and cigarettes usually can do the trick for me. I like the idea of keeping snacks, water, and of course tools. Usually I bring a backpack with stuff, but recently found the awesome tool box under the seat!
I truly enjoy the learning, but I'd like the satisfaction and pride in figuring out what exactly the problem is with the bike. I'm not letting this bike go, nor giving up on it, I want to know this machine inside and out. I will pull the engine this winter no matter what. I appreciate the strong advice, it's funny these teenagers just got off shift last night at Home Depot in my home town. I was offering them the same advice knowing it's the advice I need to take. Do what you want to do. Choosing who you let into your life is always something I need to remember. Thanks. I'm about to get back to the bike, and smoke a few cigarettes - lol.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2021, 11:45:57 AM »
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2021, 11:50:38 AM »
Yes, main jets stock 105, slow jet 40 stock, needles set one slot down from the top, float heights at 26mm.

Non-stock: Contact breaker ears on 1/4 2/3. Float needle and seat. Cotton oiled K&N filter which I oiled with 20W-50. Muffler can.  Air screws without washer or o-ring, only the spring (note: thanks, was wondering what those parts were for in the kit, they weren't with the old air screws). Needles, but unsure of the # printed on them.

Intake valves are set at a tight .025, Exhaust valves are set at a tight .04. Advancer unit I am uncertain of at the time-being, about to get out to the bike and take a video of me doing that adjustment so you guys can verify I'm not doing it wrong. Starting to second guess myself after rereading manuals, videos, etc.
Will put the stock air screws in.
I believe I am at about 1 1/2 out atm, will double check and report in a couple hours. Going to grab a strobe light.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2021, 11:55:54 AM »
If carbs are same as K6-K1.
Air screws around 1 turn out, +/- 1/8.
My K2 with my old K6 carbs runs like sh!t with hesitations on 1 1/2 turn out.
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Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2021, 12:01:08 PM »
If carbs are same as K6-K1.
Air screws around 1 turn out, +/- 1/8.
My K2 with my old K6 carbs runs like sh!t with hesitations on 1 1/2 turn out.

I'm glad you're here, with your experience tuning for rideability with those air screws, I've been wondering if that approach will be useful here?

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2021, 12:06:28 PM »
About to install the air screws 1 turn out. Hunting for one of the washer and o-rings, seem to have misplaced. I have three new ones, and all four old air screws. Thanks PeWe, about to give it ago and check point gap, then timing.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2021, 12:26:27 PM »
I'm linking this thread that was solved by changing the fuel lines back to stock routing. http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,166709.0/all.html#lastPost I think Pjl contributed here too.

And Hondaman's thread on how to make those Daiichi points work better. http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,59886.25.html#lastPost

Your thread title is full of the right keywords and will come up in lots of searches, you've covered all of the bases without being an Askhole (ask-argue,ask-ignore,ask-bash)) and I think this thread will help a lot of people in the future.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2021, 12:34:41 PM »
Thanks Alan, is this how the o ring washer spring and air screw are to be installed. Originally the only thing that came out with the air screw was the spring and screw. Confused how to install with o ring and washer now. Seems this is the only way, can anyone verify 75’ Cb750F?
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« Reply #86 on: June 06, 2021, 12:36:19 PM »
There’s no way it takes this kits o ring and washer, not a fit. Can only sit on the face of the port, but the stock air screw has no flange. O ring and washer cannot fit internally of the port where the threads lie.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #87 on: June 06, 2021, 12:55:16 PM »
No o-ring and washer in my carbs.  Only screw and spring. 

The air screw will probably not hit bottom when lightly tighten it until stop followed by open to recommended 1 turn out with additional fine tuning in/out.

 K6 air screws has a plastic knob on top as your screws are designed for. It is only for view.
Mine lost since many years. I have another complete set in a parts with them.
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CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #88 on: June 06, 2021, 03:12:12 PM »
Thanks PeWe, there's definitely no other way, haha.

Update on advancer mechanism: The slop that exists immediately takes up the clock-wise position once rotating the 23 mm hex nut. Thus, the only way I can think of hitting the timing dead on, as it is meant to be, is to make an etching mark on the advancer mechanism of where the counter-clock wise slop should be once aligned. This is exactly what PeWe advised, and I am going to follow suit.
At the moment I tried to rotate the engine to be a touch "retarded" in timing, about 3/4 degrees as PeWe noted on pg. 3 of this thread. Then to toggle the 1/4 timing plate to where it hits the F mark and my 12V light just kicks on.
Battery has hit 12.3V since I was playing around with the adjustment without yet making the etching on the advanced mechanism. It should be super close, heading to O'Reilly's to give them the battery to charge a touch, a timing strobe light, and a compression tester if they have the 12mm adapter.
If there's a will, there's a way. Thanks everyone, things finally are starting to make sense. Bike was running retarded in timing, and it sure was lugging itself around as though the timing was retarded.
Question: Will retarded timing cause the effect of carbon fouled plugs? Or possibly the other way around, a hot plug not getting enough gas? So does retarded timing cause more gas to go unfired, or less?
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« Reply #89 on: June 06, 2021, 03:41:58 PM »
I found my points adjusting procedure:

The points are a simple and basic electrical switch.  When closed they draw current through them, charging the coil.  Open, allows the coils to spark the plugs.  There are only two electrical connections.  One side connects to the engine case, the other connects to the coil.  Pay attention to the wire terminals on the points so they aren't allowed to contact the engine case, and be certain the insulation collar on the post is centered.

Once the connections are confirmed, rotate the crank so that the points are at their most open position.  Ignore the timing marks for now.  Set the mechanical gap to book spec.  If you apply power now, an attached light will shine bright as the lamp filament provides an electrical path around the point contacts.  Now rotate the crank until the light goes out.  This is where the 1.4 F mark should align.  The main plate screws are loosened just enough to allow the plate to rotate.  If the main plate is undersize, the spring pressure from the points can move the main plate in the engine bosses and this can change the gap.  The crank's cam position can alternate which spring is dominant as the crank is turned...which changes the gap setting you just made, because the plate can move with loosened screws.  I like to shim the plate, so it can't move laterally in the engine bosses.  The shims I use are feeler gauge "fingers".  Now, when you rotate the plate, the 1.4 point gap doesn't change, and you can rotate the plate to a position where the light will come on as the F mark aligns with marker.  Lock all three screws of the main plate down tight and do a final check of both max gap on the highest point of the cam on the crank, and that the light comes on when the marks align. You can remove the shim now.  Next move on to the 2.3 point set.  Again rotate the points cam to make the points open their widest and adjust the gap.   Then rotate the crank for 2.3 F mark alignment.  The 2.3 points have their own sub plate, which is moved on top of the main plate, to get the light to illuminate as the marks align.  In most cases, you are now done with point timing.  If ever you loosen the 1.4 plate screws for any reason, you will need the shim for the plate so the plate will hold lateral position, particularly if you attempt to use a dynamic timing light. I've done both, and no longer use the Dynamic to set basic timing, only to verify that the advance is working properly.

If you "run out of range" on either point set, you'll need to pick another of the three engine bosses to place the shims, and start over from the beginning with the 1.4 points.  I have yet to develop a rule about which mount boss to shim.  I think I used the lower left, last time I did this.   Now I just insert shims where ever is the largest before loosening the three screw for the 1.4 plate, 'cause that's where it was needed last time I did the adjustment. No need to do the same work twice.

There is a FAQ entry about shimming the points plate.

The index mark on the case is used to find TDC and other references to crank position.  But if your advancer rotates with slop on the crank, the mark will not indicate the correct crank position.  I don't see how you will ever get accurate timing without getting that advancer located on the crank in its proper position.

I don't know the cause or what has worn between the advancer and the crank mount or if it only has worn in one direction.  If yes, then it will either advance or retard your set timing actual.  If it has worn in both rotational directions as I suspect, somewhere in the middle is the actual timing reference.  The procedure I described earlier with JB weld can restore this accuracy and repeatability.  But, you would first have to find true TDC and then install the advancer to re-calibrate it to the crank.  With the present slop, it is now uncalibrated.   TDC is found with a degree wheel and a piston stop.  Doubt you have these.  But, if you are handy, you can make instead of buy these.  It involves putting on the degree wheel on the crank, and rotating the crank to piston stop inserted int the spark plug hole, noting the degree setting there.  Then reverse turn the crank to the stop again.  TDC is exactly half way between the previous setting and the current setting.  Remove the stop and rotate the crank to that midway setting, and you have the crank at TDC, Top Dead Center.  The degree wheel can be removed and your advancer plate can be placed, and you can find out then if the wear was unidirectional or if it indicates true somewhere in the middle of the slop.

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« Reply #90 on: June 06, 2021, 03:43:19 PM »
Not sure if I can answer your questions on the effects of retarded timing.

But have you removed your spark plugs before turning the 23mm nut? How about using the kickstarter to turn the crank instead?
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« Reply #91 on: June 06, 2021, 06:49:26 PM »
TwoTired, very good explanation. I understand, but my only question of clarification is that the engine bosses are the three thread ports the main plate sits on top of? One, or perhaps two, of the bosses will be chosen in order to assist the points from not re-adjusting in gapping?
At the moment everyone, I will be taking a couple day break. Battery wore out fast with how much adjusting I was doing with trying to account for the slop clock-wise, and where it should be counter-clock-wise. Currently, the advancer appears "advanced", that is assuming that fully counter-clock wise is correct with TDC. I am not sure, PeWe I know you are saying that fully counter-clock wise is TDC, the 3/4 degree, can you confirm that is the case for a 75' CB750F? Or is there the possibility mine is not to sit at the fullest left/counter-clockwise, but somewhere in the middle? Two-Tired, unfortunately, I think I must find TDC for my own bike making tools as you described. Why is it my bike has this slop with a stock TEC plate? Both the dowel pin, and the pin hole are perfectly symmetrical!? Simply the hole is bigger in diameter than the dowel pin.
After asking for the battery to be recharged, which it wasn't properly, the bike would barely start by kick. It would run for a minute (tops), and then fall off. If I gave the bike any amount of throttle, even slowly, a smidgeon, it would die. All stock air screws are installed, 1 turn out. I also rented a compression tester, but the one I got is no good. It won't give me a reading, I'm pretty sure there's a leak in the gauge. The bunk compression tester really burnt me out.
I got work finally to attend to tomorrow, I'm going to take a step away from the bike. 
Soon I'll get a compression reading, find TDC, get new TEC points, do a dynamic timing, and look for electrical circuit loss somewhere.
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« Reply #92 on: June 06, 2021, 10:46:37 PM »
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,113338.0.html

The fact this slop exists, does not settle well with me. I am at a loss as to why a stock TEC advancer unit #300 has the wrong size pin for the dowel hole. Mine is not oval-ed out, both the pin and the hole are concentric. Can anyone here verify if 75' Honda CB750F takes a different advancer unit? There is no way in hell someone tunes this bike everytime with this slop unless they got rid of the slop. It is extremely hard for me to believe the PO was messing with the off-shoot slack everytime he went to do the timing. Or that I must find TDC, then mark that position, fill in the dowel hole to the correct position with the pin seated internally. I think the guy before me swapped a part... I imagine there is an advancer out there with the 4mm pin, and that the stock advancer for this bike fits that hole.

Crazy... and I scratch my head wondering how it is that the bike ever got tuned. And how it was I did the static timing a month ago and the bike was running pretty damn well. But then again, it wasn't... the #4 cylinder wasn't getting enough gas, float was off, but previously it did. Only thing I can think is I was compensating for my own out of tune-timing by raising that float. I also noticed there is a black felt marker marking on the timing plate brim. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a mark used with the original mechanism that go swapped out. I am also convinced this has something to do with why I am checking my timing so much (and it seems to sporadically change), and possibly leading to blowing out condensers left and right.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #93 on: June 06, 2021, 10:58:11 PM »
Thanks for all the info HM.

Is it possible to modify an advancer to work with my F? I was thinking maybe bending the tabs outward (on my "300" advancer) a bit? But then how would I measure how far to bend them?

Any of them will fit any of the bikes, and will run OK. That was one of Honda's hallmarks, which was that any later bike could accept earlier parts, and vice-versa. In a few places, this didn't work well (K0, mostly), but after K1 pretty much all can interchange, given that the whole related section goes with it.

Performance can vary, though, depending on tuning. If you put the early spark advancer in the late engine, the advance rate will be faster than the late engines' original setup. This leads to flat spots, even plug fouling problems, unless you either alter the advance rate (slow it down) or modify the carb settings accordingly. First things first: make sure the bike starts and idles well, then check the throttle-snap performance after warmup. It should be crisp, and the speed should settle down quickly when the throttle is released. If it is too slow to advance the timing, the throttle snap may feel sluggish: if too fast, the engine will back-spit and pop. Total advance on the various years changed a little (downward with time) because the US was struggling to have enough gas, and premium was downright hard to find in 1973-1975, right when the later bikes were being designed. Honda made sure the bikes up thru F1 would run on Regular, while the improved HP bikes of '77-'78 needed more octane again, as the US recovered. Still, the F2/3 engines did not have a lot of total advance, compared to the K0/K1, or even K2.

The K0/K1/K2/K3 advancers were much quicker than the post-1975 bikes that had to meet emissions tests at 2500 RPM, so those later bikes had stronger springs to delay the advance. If the faster-advance spring (or advancer) is installed in a bike with PD carbs, make sure the accelerator pump works, or it will fall on its face with a handful of throttle at 2000 RPM. This is due to spitting back into the carbs during overlap, from the waste-spark cycle being too advanced. It will then need a dose of gas to launch, which will extinguish the back-spit and wet the valve(s) again. Also, raise the needle in the slides, or increase the mainjet by a 5 size, or the bike will feel 'buzzy' as it will be lean enough to act like it is trying to ping, for the extra amount of advance it has at the lower speed. Advancing the cam timing about 3-5 degrees in the later engines will help reduce both of the problems, though, giving those bikes noticeably more midrange torque.

So, go ahead and fit it in, then you can tinker with the rest of the stuff to make it smooth. If you decide you need more total advance, you can just twist the points plate to get it, thus raising the idle timing, too. If taken too far, the engine will not throttle down crisply, which is your tip-off that the static advance is too long.

Smoking gun from previous post? I believed I must have an earlier advance mechanism on a later bike, but then checked partzilla.com and bikebandit.com, both list this OEM part # 30220-300-154. I assume the 300 stands for the advancer # printed on my plate. But how is it I have this slack, is there supposed to be a grommet that fits over the dowel pin?

Well, first: check to see how much the advancer can slide forward or back in timing. A lot of these holes are damaged, as Honda used mild steel on the crank and hardened dowels in the advancer.

So, go to TDC with the engine but removing the #4 sparkplug (and loosening all the others to reduce drag for what you're about to do) and touching the top of the piston through the hole with a cut off piece of stiff coat hanger wire, so you can "feel" it easily. Then, using the big nut on the advancer, turn the engine back & forth a little bit near TDC (BTW, that's "Top Dead Center", if you're not familiar with the acronym) until you're right at TDC. Then make a punch mark on the advancer backplate where TDC actually is: when you're setting timing in the future, you can judge it by the offset between the 2 marks.

Usually, the damage is only a degree or two. This is not very significant on a stock engine, but it does get important if you have high compression pistons or are trying to lean out the fuel mixture to the limit for improved MPG. Since the timing specs are all +/-2 degrees anyway, yours might not be hurt enough to matter?
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #94 on: June 06, 2021, 11:39:24 PM »
300 means its a 750 part and the slop happens when the reaining nut is not tight and the advancer can rock allowing the pin to wear the hole in the crank oval. VERY carefull machining can rectify the problem
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #95 on: June 07, 2021, 02:42:48 AM »
Yes, main jets stock 105, slow jet 40 stock, needles set one slot down from the top, float heights at 26mm.

Non-stock: Contact breaker ears on 1/4 2/3. Float needle and seat. Cotton oiled K&N filter which I oiled with 20W-50. Muffler can.  Air screws without washer or o-ring, only the spring (note: thanks, was wondering what those parts were for in the kit, they weren't with the old air screws). Needles, but unsure of the # printed on them.

Intake valves are set at a tight .025, Exhaust valves are set at a tight .04. Advancer unit I am uncertain of at the time-being, about to get out to the bike and take a video of me doing that adjustment so you guys can verify I'm not doing it wrong. Starting to second guess myself after rereading manuals, videos, etc.
Will put the stock air screws in.
I believe I am at about 1 1/2 out atm, will double check and report in a couple hours. Going to grab a strobe light.
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YoungBlood, 

As this thread is getting longer than my memory at my age, some things you might check; Air screws should be about 1 turn +/- 1/8th turn.  I have noticed that most all carb rebuild kits with new springs have really bad springs.  The spring ends are sharp.  Stock springs have the ends ground so  they are flat and rest against the air screw needles without causing gouging.  Aftermarket springs will gouge/chew into the soft brass and shave off shards of brass that can get into the air passage and lodge there.  I have found that the washers/O rings intended for the air adjust needle don't fit the carbs.  Washer and O ring are too big, at least for my K-6 carbs.  Also, the fuel float needles on aftermarket kits can be off which will effect the resting fuel height in the float bowl.  The level should be verified visually with clear tube method.  (can't remember if you have done this)  Fuel lever in float bowl should be ~2-3 mm below the gasket-carb body interface.

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #96 on: June 07, 2021, 03:05:15 AM »
It is a lot of things to keep track of, and it's tough being on the receiving end of so much advice when you're relatively new to this.

It's normal to get agitated and angry when your bike malfunctions. I suppose in the old days stepping away for a cigarette allowed enough time and distraction to let the bike and rider's agitation cool down long enough to figure things out. I like to keep a tank bag stocked with tools and snacks, at least 2 bottles of water, 2 apples and maybe some small boxes of raisins. (hydration, sugar and fiber) You never know who you're gonna meet out on the road, especially if you pull over for other stopped bikes.

I don't know how far your ride was, but good on ya for being prepared to take things apart and put them back together out on the road. Limping a bike home may not be fun but it sure is memorable. I've pushed some easy miles myself. I'm not sure if I'd be as cool with the unexpected curveballs when I was 25. I'm 50 now and my only advice is to make the best decisions regarding who you let into your life from here on out. Do EVERYTHING you want to do, and watch how fast these next 25 years pass. Enjoy your bike and the experiences it'll afford you, modern bikes can only take you places and its just not the same as being out on the old Hondas.

Sage advice!!!  I'm 65 now and have been riding close to 50 years.  As Alan said, the next 25 years will go by like a flash.  Get as much enjoyment in living life while you are young and can still do things.  I am starting to have a hard time getting my bike on the center stand after an hour of riding. Gravity has gotten much stronger as I have gotten older!  Time has also changed with age.  The older I get the shorter time is.   One thing that has not changed is when I am on my bikes and riding I feel like I'm 20 again.  My bikes are my time machines!  When I'm on them I forget my problems/worries and I'm truly free.  Even though I feel like I'm 20 again I keep the knowledge I have with me and don't do the (what I now consider) foolish things I have done in the past while riding.  Gravity will always win.

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #97 on: June 07, 2021, 04:31:38 AM »
Thanks P, I have not done the clear tube method because I was a bit confused how to hook everything up. Can anyone link a previous thread with strong guidance? I understand it’s fluid dynamics for an accurate reading, but where does the tube hook to? The overflow tube with the gas left on, or the that big drain screw. If the latter, how do I make a secure connection, that cheese head screw is a large port. Does the diameter of the tubing make a difference in reading? Or is only one size possible for hook up, again, where?
Also P, I got the old springs out and the stock air screws back in. Except for #2 carb, I can’t get that spring out, it’s wedged in there because of its poor make. I put the stock screw in with the new aftermarket sprint, I assume I must pull the carbs, unless someone has a fool proof method to get stuck springs out?
Bryan, that previous thread I posted last night stated there were two manufacturers for the advancers. Some were stating they have a four mm hole and a three mm pin. Mine does not appear oval, I’ll triply check and get a reading. I’m going to use Hondaman’s coat wire technique, and follow 2Tired and PeWe’s advice on finding TDC.
It’ll be a a day or two before I attend to troubleshooting on the bike. Info to read up on in the meantime is much needed.
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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #98 on: June 07, 2021, 06:50:21 AM »
Thread with a Printable Degree Wheel, I'll also download it and upload to this post so there's more than one location to find it later on.
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,46734.msg490567.html#msg490567
« Last Edit: June 07, 2021, 06:53:12 AM by Alan F. »

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Re: Hesitation on Acceleration plus Excessive Backfire on Deacceleration
« Reply #99 on: June 07, 2021, 08:45:25 AM »
TwoTired, very good explanation. I understand, but my only question of clarification is that the engine bosses are the three thread ports the main plate sits on top of? One, or perhaps two, of the bosses will be chosen in order to assist the points from not re-adjusting in gapping?

The landing pads for the breaker plate are L shaped.  The bottom of the L has the screw threads.  The upper part of the L bounds the plate in place when screws are loose.    Some plates are under size (or the L pads machined with extra tolerance), which allows the whole plate to move about when those screws are loose, and pushed by the spring pressure from each points set.  You have to loosen those screws when you make any adjustment in timing.  However, that same plate movement also opens or closes the points, altering what ever setting you've chosen before the plate moved, which also alters dwell time that charges the coils.    To keep the plate from shifting laterally, a shim is selected and placed between the L and the plate, to hold in place while gapping and rotational timing is performed.

If you find there is now not enough slot to move the plate to achieve desired timing pick another L and start over.  Same is true if the 2-3 plate runs out of adjustment range.  I use a red marker to remind me of which L pad to shim during the next tune up.

It is also possible to make your plate custom fit into those L bosses, by peening the edge of the plate where you need the shim to fit precisely into the bosses.  Then as long as you use the same points plate, your gap, dwell, and timing should be predictable whenever those mounts screws are loosened for adjustment.

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