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Offline middletons

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550 voltage drop at regulator
« on: August 08, 2021, 12:06:42 PM »
Chasing down a charging prob with my 550f. New Ricks r/r installed. Batt voltage is 12.8 resting. From batt to blk wire at regulator I’m getting a 1.25v drop with headlight on, and .25v drop with headlight off, bike not running. Batt voltage tops off at around 12.8v at high rpm with headlight on, and about 13.5v with headlight off. Voltage drop in the grnd path is .05v. These measurements are after cleaning all connectors in the harness, and the key switch. Any suggestions for how to proceed?

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Re: 550 voltage drop at regulator
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2021, 12:09:26 PM »
Chasing down a charging prob with my 550f. New Ricks r/r installed. Batt voltage is 12.8 resting. From batt to blk wire at regulator I’m getting a 1.25v drop with headlight on, and .25v drop with headlight off, bike not running. Batt voltage tops off at around 12.8v at high rpm with headlight on, and about 13.5v with headlight off. Voltage drop in the grnd path is .05v. These measurements are after cleaning all connectors in the harness, and the key switch. Any suggestions for how to proceed?
At what RPMs are your volt readings taken at?
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Re: 550 voltage drop at regulator
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2021, 12:29:38 PM »
Yep, that neg path drop is just to illustrate that the grnd path is solid.

Will take the readings and report back.

I should add that a new fuse box is installed and I’ve gone through the steps at the Oregon Parts page.

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Re: 550 voltage drop at regulator
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2021, 12:41:29 PM »
What wattage headlight do you have?  What other non-stock electrical loads have you on the bike?

The stock alternator makes a minimum of 150 Watts (Some examples can be more due to production variances).  But it is self limiting to never make more power than capable.  If you demand more current, then the voltage output reduces.  So, likely what is happening is the extra headlight power load is causing a system voltage drop, which is low enough to not really charge the battery.

The stock bike draws about 10 A (120w) with lighting on.  This leaves 30 W for battery charge when needed, or 2.3 A for battery charge when revved.

Higher watt headlight, 3 ohm coils and dyna ignition will all rob power from the that 2.3A margin and leave you with none to charge the battery.

Some help can be had by improving the v loss between battery and vreg, as the vreg powers the alternator field with the voltage it gets.  The high voltage the stronger the alternator output can be, or restated the lower voltage sent to the field coil, the lower the magnetic field strength, the lower the peak watts output.

To find the connection loss, you place voltmeter leads on either side of the inline component in question while full load is place on the circuit.  Resistive elements will show the exact voltage drop across that component.  In this way, you can find he max contributor of v loss in the circuit.

Clean contacts are a good first step.  But, contact pressure can effect resistivity, as well as contact area of the connection.  A clean contact that is half worn will added resistivity.  A fuse that doesn't make full end cap contact can also add resistance and voltage drop across the connection.

You do know that the charging system at idle allows only about 1/3 of max alternator output, right?  Same rules for volts plus current limits apply.

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Re: 550 voltage drop at regulator
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2021, 02:11:11 PM »
Waiting on batt to charge up to take more readings.

Stock coils, 40/50watt headlight. Electrical system is stock save for r/r and fuse box.

I’m aware that the charging system doesn’t really kick in until higher revs.

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Re: 550 voltage drop at regulator
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2021, 02:28:07 PM »
Motor off 12.8v

No headlight, motor running, 4K rpm, 14.9v
Headlight on, motor running, 4K rpm, 14.2v

Only change from prior readings is that I connected the extra grn wire in the turn signal flasher bundle to grnd. Weird. From prior readings, the grnd path was proven solid. Not sure how adding another grnd changed things.
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