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« Reply #450 on: October 06, 2021, 05:32:11 AM »
Good progress Terry! ;)
Look and sound fine. I can not feel the smell but most likely fantastic ;D

You can use castor oil in that engine?
I used sometimes in my modified mopeds. It smelled fantastic and everywhere!!
Castrol had one or 2 oils.


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« Reply #451 on: October 06, 2021, 06:37:59 AM »
Good progress Terry! ;)
Look and sound fine. I can not feel the smell but most likely fantastic ;D

You can use castor oil in that engine?
I used sometimes in my modified mopeds. It smelled fantastic and everywhere!!
Castrol had one or 2 oils.


You have more project to enjoy, Kawasaki's and CB750 970cc stuff, right?

+1 PeWe, we use to run Castrol R in the 4 stroke kart engines, best aroma ever!
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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #452 on: October 06, 2021, 08:45:46 AM »
Congrats Terry! Sorry to hear about the foot/ankle injury...hope it heals up quickly. Some Epsom Salts soaks should help.
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« Reply #453 on: October 06, 2021, 09:12:25 AM »
Hi Terry ! The Suz. T500 sounds great running there through those chambers:that's Progress  8) ;)
Those old points and condensers must have finally gotten arced/over-sparked from a bad condenser? I would use very fine grit(600?)to clean them off if they did that but it can be a long process at times,depending on the amount they were burnt. Fresh stuff,the way to go.How was it using your Central dial gauge ?  :)
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« Reply #454 on: October 06, 2021, 10:27:48 AM »
well in theory you could just flip it over and remove the bottom case , having said that i have never done it that way and locating the selector forks could prove tricky . the kick start mech is a known weak point of this engine im afraid , on the plus side the bike sounds great .

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« Reply #455 on: October 06, 2021, 12:29:29 PM »
Hi Terry,

There are not that many gaskets on the T500.  I always grease the paper gaskets both sides so there removal is easy.  If undamaged they do get used again.  Same for the head gasket.  Not exemplary engineering practice but at £10 a head gasket, and the frequency the heads come off/on with a race engine, a sop to running costs.  Also never had a problem (so far), but I do replace when I deem it appropriate.

Cheers  Geoff

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« Reply #456 on: October 06, 2021, 02:01:35 PM »
Thanks Per, yep once this one’s done I think I’ll re-start the Kawasaki projects, probably the Moriwaki 1100cc Z1B beastie, as I have just about everything I need to finish it. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #457 on: October 06, 2021, 02:28:37 PM »
Terry, how long is it taking for stuff to arrive from the US?
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« Reply #458 on: October 06, 2021, 03:54:31 PM »
Thanks Krusty, bloody ages mate, the wife told me that there was an article on the news a couple of days ago that the US has temporarily stopped shipping to Oz due to the lack of aircraft flying to Australia due to the Covid situation.

What I’m doing is having anything I buy from the US sent to my shipper in Florida, who’ll then Fedex it out to me. The starter gear is going from Michigan to Florida via UPS (2-3 business days) to Florida then my shipper will take a day or two to process, then once I’ve paid the FedEx shipping I should have it in my sweaty palm within a week or so.

I’m working on pulling the engine out again around the end of the month to fix the kicker, but I hope to have the engine out, fixed, and back in very quickly. I’ll do a couple of sneaky rides to make sure that there’s nothing else that needs to be addressed while I have it apart. Hopefully it won’t need anything. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #459 on: October 06, 2021, 05:14:01 PM »
I just finished catching up on the last month or so of this build. Terry nice work as always, glad to hear you're enjoying yourself for the most part. Sorry to hear of this latest foot injury, I'll second the Epsom salts soak for some relief.

I totally get the urge to pick up those shiny pipes after selling a favorite bike. I picked up a few spendy bits for my K3 when I sold my commuter car in 2016, no need for it with a company van...
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« Reply #460 on: October 06, 2021, 05:33:21 PM »
Terry, well the US Postal Service has officially slowed down delivery for all packages and letters as of last Friday and are instituting a holiday surcharge for all packages for the holidays. It was a total cluster last year with packages sent normally in plenty of time to arrive being delivered as late as February for some people. Total mismanagement and they are profitable... crazy thing is they are being required to fund their retirement fund accounts sufficient for 75 years and no other government agency is complying with that arcane rule.
Their rates have skyrocketed in recent years too...

Got a package from UPS today...they are so so on delivery times and care.

There is a monster logistics problem in America and the world since Covid with lots of truckers quit driving and didn't return...
Companies haven't been able to solve the lack of drivers and you see it in grocery store drivers and even in retail stores somewhat.
The bean counters all but drove most US manufacturing abroad over the past 30-40 years and it is coming back to bite hard. US once was a huge semiconductor electronics source for the world, no more.
Change happens, inevitable...


Glad the bike is running well on both cylinders and is looking good. Hope your kickstarter issue is quickly and easily and permanently fixed when you tackle it.

The big Moriwaki K1B will be entertaining when you restart that rebuild. Maybe when the weather stabilizes you will also restart brewing some ginger beer.

I look forward to seeing more.

David

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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #461 on: October 06, 2021, 06:17:30 PM »
Thanks Krusty, bloody ages mate, the wife told me that there was an article on the news a couple of days ago that the US has temporarily stopped shipping to Oz due to the lack of aircraft flying to Australia due to the Covid situation.

What I’m doing is having anything I buy from the US sent to my shipper in Florida, who’ll then Fedex it out to me. The starter gear is going from Michigan to Florida via UPS (2-3 business days) to Florida then my shipper will take a day or two to process, then once I’ve paid the FedEx shipping I should have it in my sweaty palm within a week or so.

I’m working on pulling the engine out again around the end of the month to fix the kicker, but I hope to have the engine out, fixed, and back in very quickly. I’ll do a couple of sneaky rides to make sure that there’s nothing else that needs to be addressed while I have it apart. Hopefully it won’t need anything. ;D
Thanks Terry. I had a GT250 a few years ago and the kick paul was a bit PIA getting it set in place correctly but at least didn't have to split cases to do it.
I was asking about mail times as I may be buying some guitar stuff and wondering how long I have to wait for it as I am getting more impatient as I get older, you know (or will), that sense of running out of time.
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« Reply #462 on: October 07, 2021, 01:43:30 AM »
Thanks Krusty,  if you need anything sent from the US fast, let me know and I'll get it sent out via my shipper. That "sense of time running out" hit me last year when I turned 60, I realised that I was entering the last quarter, but I'm fitter and healthier than I've been in years, so I think I'll still be riding for a few more years.

Speaking of which, I've ridden it! Yep, no tank, no seat, no lights, no helmet, I'm a rebel in track pants and moccasins, lock up your grandmothers! I was out the back cutting up heaps of old cardboard cartons that once contained T500 parts when I realised that my (sloping) driveway was clear, so I pumped the old Dunlop K70's up to 30 PSI and pushed it up to the top of the driveway. I pushed the choke on, turned the key on, and rolled it about a yard before dropping the clutch in second gear, and it fired right up. So there I was, sitting on the frame rails with that beautiful engine "Tak Tak Taking" away when it dawned on me that it'd be a marvellous idea to give it the berries up my street and see if I couldn't kill myself.

Surprisingly, it went really well, tons of power, no flat spots, and what a torquey engine! I was a bit worried that it'd be running lean with standard jets (needles dropped one notch) with those Chinese pods and the Titan exhaust, but nope, I didn't notice anything untoward, no funny noises, rattles, vibrations, no nothing, just went like a new one. I gave it a handful and the front got really light, which was unexpected too.

It's just a pity that the kick starter mechanism is buggared (probably how that engine ended up in a wrecking yard in the first place, because apart from the damaged cases the internals were all good otherwise) and I have to pull it apart again, it's a shame that Suzuki didn't use the same design as the T250/350, (same as your GT250) because if they had I could fix it in 30 minutes without having to open up the engine again. Oh well. 

Bill, the dial indicator thingy worked fine, but it was an absolute pain in the arse to get out after it was done, the body of the gauge mount sits too low in amongst those big fins with not much to grab on to, personally I thought it was easier to just use the factory timing marks. I did see a different timing suggestion in the Australian T500 forums that Eric and just about everyone else here recommended, of 3.1mm BTDC rather than Suzuki's recommended 3.9mm BTDC so I may try that and use the fancy tool to do it.

T500 Wednesday 7 Oct 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

The old points were burned pretty bad, but the loose wire and the oil (no idea how oil got there) between the points plate and the magneto body probably didn't help either. I arced my screw driver across the points wire and magneto body and the right side plug sparked, so right away I knew the points were the culprit, stupid points.

T500 Wednesday 7 Oct 2021 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

The condensors are OK I think, there was no sparking between the points with the engine running, so unless they start doing that I'll leave them alone, as the wires need to be cut and re-soldered when the condensors are replaced. If they're not busted, I'm not fixing them.

Anyhoo, my expensive NOS headlight brackets arrived today, so tomorrow I think I'll fit some shiny new parts, and maybe a tank and seat, and maybe partake in another sneaky ride? Why not..... ;D

I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #463 on: October 07, 2021, 06:47:36 AM »
Speaking of which, I've ridden it! Yep, no tank, no seat, no lights, no helmet, I'm a rebel in track pants and moccasins, lock up your grandmothers!

Ha- that’s awesome. I really enjoy following your project!

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« Reply #464 on: October 07, 2021, 07:33:32 AM »
Dang- I wish there was a video somewhere of that first ride !!   :D

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« Reply #465 on: October 07, 2021, 08:54:43 AM »
A first ride on the T500 !  8)  Terry,3.9mm BTDC sounds a lot more advanced.
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« Reply #466 on: October 07, 2021, 01:33:08 PM »
A first ride on the T500 !  8)  Terry,3.9mm BTDC sounds a lot more advanced.

Hi Terry,

Well done on the first ride, great stuff  8)

+1 on grcamna2's comment wrt advance.  Std. is 3.4mm BTDC, developed in the days of nice lead rich fuel.  Modern unleaded burns faster, hence less advance required.  I would suggest 2.9mm BTDC, I don't run my race ignition more than this.  You can always tweak it back up if your engine runs better that way.

Cheers  Geoff

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« Reply #467 on: October 07, 2021, 02:51:04 PM »
We’d all like to HEAR it run with those nice chambers!
So cool.
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« Reply #468 on: October 07, 2021, 05:51:34 PM »
We’d all like to HEAR it run with those nice chambers!
So cool.

Yes Terry ! I hope you install a GoPro type camera for your first Real Ride.
I imagine by then you'll have many more parts had shipped to you  ;)
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« Reply #469 on: October 07, 2021, 07:37:53 PM »
Maybe a burnout?
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« Reply #470 on: October 07, 2021, 07:40:27 PM »
Maybe a burnout?

Warm tires are easier to remove Terry, he's got a point.

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« Reply #471 on: October 07, 2021, 10:51:44 PM »
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Bill, the dial indicator thingy worked fine, but it was an absolute pain in the arse to get out after it was done, the body of the gauge mount sits too low in amongst those big fins with not much to grab on to, personally I thought it was easier to just use the factory timing marks.

Whenever I've used a dial indicator on my H1A I just whip the left hand head off.  Much easier!
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« Reply #472 on: October 08, 2021, 02:45:14 AM »
Sorry guys, too much Ginger Joe last night, I meant to type 3.4mm for the ignition timing, but anyway, I did that then checked it again using the timing mark on the rotor to make sure, so it's spot on as far as the manual is concerned, once I fix the kicker I'll use my fancy timing light to check with it running.

Today is Friday, the best day of the week as far as I'm concerned, and I struggled with working from home as the sun was out, and apart from an annoying wind, it wasn't a bad day. I eventually wandered outside and installed my expensive NOS headlight ears (once I found the rubber dampers and cleaned up their rusty cups) and cleaned up, then installed the friction steering damper assembly. The fork ears are actually for an earlier model T500 than mine, but I like the smaller reflectors and the placement of these reflectors, the larger "outboard" reflectors original to my model look a bit "tacked on".

T500 Friday 8 Oct 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

I can't install the NOS headlight because the rubber dampers haven't arrived as yet, although I am thinking about making some because I just checked Ebay and they are still in the fcuking US, even though they were sent on September 10th...... Anyway that was all I got done, but I'm running out of excuses not to fit the fuel tank, blinkers, tail light and side cover etc, so I'll probably do that tomorrow. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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« Reply #473 on: October 08, 2021, 09:17:21 AM »
The NOS Suzuki headlight ears you've installed on there look good Terry:I like the small reflectors better also  8)
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« Reply #474 on: October 08, 2021, 02:43:39 PM »
I put K0 ears on my K3 for the same reason.
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