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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #525 on: October 17, 2021, 03:46:02 PM »
We are all out here waiting to hear this thing run!!
Very nice

That's looking Good Terry !
I imagine an OEM petcock gasket might serve you better than that 'repro rubber' cheap part does.Do you have an NOS Honda petcock which you can swap it's rubber 4-hole donut seal with ?

No mate, and I didn't feel like waiting 2 or 3 months for a new one (if I can find one) to arrive from the US. ;D
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« Reply #526 on: October 17, 2021, 03:49:26 PM »
That bike look very fine Terry!
You plan to pull engine to fix the kick spring?


G'Day per, yes mate, the engine will be coming apart again as soon as the new parts arrive. my plan is to have the engine out, fixed and back in, in the shortest amount of time possible, as I want to get it inspected and legally registered. I've already done the "21 rides in 2021" thing, so will be riding all of my non-Honda's as much as possible. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #527 on: October 17, 2021, 04:12:33 PM »
We are all out here waiting to hear this thing run!!
Very nice

That's looking Good Terry !
I imagine an OEM petcock gasket might serve you better than that 'repro rubber' cheap part does.Do you have an NOS Honda petcock which you can swap it's rubber 4-hole donut seal with ?

No mate, and I didn't feel like waiting 2 or 3 months for a new one (if I can find one) to arrive from the US. ;D

Terry,I'm thinking you might find an OEM Honda 4-hole rubber packing/seal to fit into your repro Suzuki petcock? The OEM is So much better quality rubber,it'll stand-up for years to the Ethanol fuel we run from the pumps now Much better than that repro rubber stuff.The one you installed in there now,is that a repro-China rubber 4-hole ?
I've tried using repro petcock units and they start leaking within a couple months max.

I have had to hunt-around to find the certain size OEM 4-hole rubber seals to install in riveted Honda OEM petcock fuel valves(then tap the holes for screws w/o rivets)and was able to match one up.They don't leak later-on even after years;the hunting around is the chore though..
I went to a few swap meets and such and had a look through some NOS Honda boxes of parts while trying to match the size of my original worn-out fuel valve petcock 4-hole seal and that works out.The thing is it's quite a chore to hunt for exactly the correct size,but pays-off quite well when I found the one that was a good fit.I saved the part number for later when i could find an NOS one online  ;)
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« Reply #528 on: October 17, 2021, 04:23:22 PM »
Yes Bill, I understand what you're saying, but I think you're missing my point. I'm more than happy to buy OEM, but I don't have one mate, and I'm not going to wait for a couple of months to ride my bike because I don't have an OEM part to put in it now. I mentioned earlier that USPS is not delivering to Australia due to Covid, and as you should know by now, there's not much in the way of OEM parts available in Oz.  ::)
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #529 on: October 17, 2021, 04:28:52 PM »
Yes Bill, I understand what you're saying, but I think you're missing my point. I'm more than happy to buy OEM, but I don't have one mate, and I'm not going to wait for a couple of months to ride my bike because I don't have an OEM part to put in it now. I mentioned earlier that USPS is not delivering to Australia due to Covid, and as you should know by now, there's not much in the way of OEM parts available in Oz.  ::)

I understand you Terry.
Do you have an NOS(or one that's still not leaking)OEM fuel valve somewhere in your large stock of parts which could be substituted into that Suzuki valve ?

I ask because that leaking valve will overflow your engine,and on a 2-stroke will foul many plugs;too much 'juice'.
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« Reply #530 on: October 17, 2021, 04:30:02 PM »
Yes Bill, I understand what you're saying, but I think you're missing my point. I'm more than happy to buy OEM, but I don't have one mate, and I'm not going to wait for a couple of months to ride my bike because I don't have an OEM part to put in it now. I mentioned earlier that USPS is not delivering to Australia due to Covid, and as you should know by now, there's not much in the way of OEM parts available in Oz.  ::)

I understand you Terry.
Do you have an NOS(or one that's still not leaking)OEM fuel valve somewhere in your large stock of parts which could be substituted into that Suzuki valve ?

No, or I would have used it.
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #531 on: October 17, 2021, 04:31:18 PM »
Yes Bill, I understand what you're saying, but I think you're missing my point. I'm more than happy to buy OEM, but I don't have one mate, and I'm not going to wait for a couple of months to ride my bike because I don't have an OEM part to put in it now. I mentioned earlier that USPS is not delivering to Australia due to Covid, and as you should know by now, there's not much in the way of OEM parts available in Oz.  ::)

I understand you Terry.
Do you have an NOS(or one that's still not leaking)OEM fuel valve somewhere in your large stock of parts which could be substituted into that Suzuki valve ?

No, or I would have used it.

I understand.
Terry,do you have a part# for the correct year rubber 4-hole disc? I would like to help to hunt one down for you.What year is the tank/petcock ?
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« Reply #532 on: October 17, 2021, 07:16:10 PM »
Terry, plenty of oem parts available in Japan.  If you want that Honda rubber part, why not hit up Yamiya?  Or CMSNL?

When it comes to a good fuel tap, I have learned it does not pay to mess around.   If I can't get a non-vacuum operated oem good one,  I just accept the fact that I am gonna have to spend the cheese for a Pingel.
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« Reply #533 on: October 17, 2021, 11:20:17 PM »
Terry, plenty of oem parts available in Japan.  If you want that Honda rubber part, why not hit up Yamiya?  Or CMSNL?

When it comes to a good fuel tap, I have learned it does not pay to mess around.   If I can't get a non-vacuum operated oem good one,  I just accept the fact that I am gonna have to spend the cheese for a Pingel.

Ha ha, thanks Sean, just to make sure everyone here understands, I'm HAPPY to buy a better rubber, but yesterday, in Australia (not the US, or Japan, or Britain) on a Sunday, as my OEM fuel petcock (that retails for $500 so I'm definitely NOT buying a new one, before anyone asks, and I commit suicide) was leaking all over my garage floor, and all I had at hand, was a non OEM rubber, which, as inferior as we all agree they are, was all I fcuking had, and it stopped the petcock leaking from the fcuking lever. Today there are no pools of fuel under the bike, so I will, at my leisure, find a better petcock, or rubber, or both. Everyone happy?  :o   
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #534 on: October 18, 2021, 12:26:59 AM »
Damn guys, let's give Uncle T some space... Enough about the F fuel petcock. It is under control and Terry is aware of the ins and outs...so quit playing Captain Obvious and pissing him off.
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« Reply #535 on: October 18, 2021, 04:48:50 AM »
 Sooo - how's that petcock situation working out Terry ?  ;D ;D   Soon the worlds longest lock down will be partially over and hopefully the show can begin !!  Bet your good and ready to get a nice long ride  on a bike and get a delicious meat pie at your favorite place.
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« Reply #536 on: October 18, 2021, 05:31:21 AM »
Possible to make one using good rubber/silicone?
Or find same gasket other bikes/models use.
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Re: Terry's Boneyard Barn find Budget Suzuki T500 Reanimation.
« Reply #537 on: October 18, 2021, 08:04:04 AM »
Sorry I missed the video, it sounds great!! Not sure where I was when you posted.
I wont talk about fuel petcocks. I have not bought one for my Z1 yet, what came on it was toast.
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« Reply #538 on: October 18, 2021, 11:15:32 AM »
Possible to make one using good rubber/silicone?
Or find same gasket other bikes/models use.
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« Reply #539 on: October 18, 2021, 11:53:19 AM »
Guess you guys are trying to needle/piss off Terry...treating the petcock like a Please Delete thread...
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« Reply #540 on: October 18, 2021, 01:57:41 PM »
Guess you guys are trying to needle/piss off Terry...treating the petcock like a Please Delete thread...

 ;D ;D and here I was all set to make some popcorn. ;)
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« Reply #541 on: October 18, 2021, 02:33:34 PM »
Terry, I get excited too about newly revived bikes and I just don't quite have all the parts to make it safe or reliable and then I usually end up pushing the damn thing 2 blocks back to the shop.  I was thinking maybe you too can sometimes need a reminder that there are always options if you are just a little patient...guess you did not need a reminder...my apologies...
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« Reply #542 on: October 18, 2021, 11:07:12 PM »
All good guys, I like David's "Captain Obvious" post, it can be very frustrating, but as I get closer to the end of this thread I'm thinking more about going for a ride than whether my petcock seal is a quality OEM product or not, so I won't waste my time or yours responding to any more petcock posts. If you're that interested in petcock seals, start a thread.

Our state Premier, "Dopey Dan" Andrews has pulled the rug out from under me, yes we're out of lockdown on Friday, but no, I still can't go for a ride in the country. No biggie, (apart from not being able to see my 93 year old mother, who I haven't seen since May) I can still travel around the metropolitan area and that's unlimited, distance wise, so I'll try to do some loops of the city and find somewhere nice to eat.

I suppose the good thing about that is that there is a much better selection of eateries, the closer you get to the city. The down side is, there's also a lot more traffic. Oh well..... ;D
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« Reply #543 on: October 18, 2021, 11:48:41 PM »
I took a ride this evening to grabsome dinner and intended to have some seafood tacos , Baja style,but arrived too late. They closed early and I was running late. No worries though as I was in  in South Tucson about 25 miles from home and there is no lack of great Mexican restaurants to choose from on 12th...so a ride about a quarter mile up the road to another well regarded place and I put my order in for some taquitos at a place I had ony list of great places to eat.

City traffic is no fun to deal with as the risk is much higher and the reality is Tucson is not really a safe place to motorcycle. I prefer to stay outside the city and I chose my time of day and locations where I will ride. I wear lots of hivis clothes and suppliment my gear with a reflective vest and a Helmet Halo which works great at night...
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« Reply #544 on: October 20, 2021, 02:56:36 AM »
Yep, I think there's a nice mexican place in the inner suburbs David, I might have to go give it a try, I haven't eaten any decent food in so long, my cooking is starting to taste good, and I'm sh1t at cooking.

Today was a beautiful, warm, sunny day, maybe only the second nice day this month? The mailman was even good today, and dropped off the steering damper rod I bought ages ago, and the throttle cable from Finland, which I only bought a couple of weeks ago. I installed the steering damper rod, because the old one is a tad short after I had to grind the end off it, and I could no longer put the split pin (cotter pin) back in, which means if I backed it off too much, the damper assembly would fall on the road, never to be seen again. While I've somehow managed to accumulate several damper assemblies, I'd rather keep them in a tub than out on the highway.

T500 20 Oct 2021 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

T500 20 Oct 2021 1 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Anyway, the sun was out and the driveway was clear, so I filled the tank with premix (the petcock police will be happy to know it's stopped dripping, so I'm guessing the rubber seal has swelled and it's fine now) and wheeled it out the front, to bump start it down the driveway. I thought that, just in case I dropped it, I better take a pic first.

T500 20 Oct 2021 5 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr

Luckily for me I didn't drop it, and it started right up, so I took a short vid while it was warming up.


I jumped on, and rode it in a big loop of my suburb, so that if it did conk out and I couldn't start it, or if something got loose and needed tightening (I was only in a T shirt and jeans, with no tools) I wouldn't have far to push it, but I did ride maybe 6 or 7 miles, and that was enough, because I wanted to check on my oil pump.

The bike ran fine, the speedo is quite possibly MIA which pisses me off because I bought it from the US and it appears to be in good condition, but I did the electric drill thingy and unless the new speedo cable has somehow become a two piece, it aint working. I do have the original speedo, I might have to install it and hope it works, as #$%*ty as it looks, it has to function for the Roadworthy Inspection.

Anyway, apart from that it runs great, all the gears work fine, it's quite high geared, but that's OK, it'll probably be fairly fuel efficient, if you can put "Two Stroke" and "Fuel efficient" in the same sentence. I've got an "Unregistered Vehicle Permit" for 21 days, so I can do a few more short sneaky shakeout rides before I take it over to Jeff for a Roadworthy Inspection.

I do need to sort the oil pump, I can see that it's pumping oil to the left bank of pipes, but it's blowing air bubbles on the right bank, so I may have to loosen the banjo bolts so I can pump the air past them, and the oil up to them. More on that soon. ;D

T500 20 Oct 2021 7 by Terry Prendergast, on Flickr
 
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #545 on: October 20, 2021, 03:17:53 AM »
Nice one, Terry  8)

The issue of bubbles in the oil lines is a common problem, especially as they age.  A tip for priming the lines is to assemble the oil pump end as if you are going to fit it, but slip a washer and nut on instead and lightly clamp the sealing washer to the banjo.  Then you can simply inject oil (oil can/syringe) up the bolt and fill the oil line.  Parts to refurbish the pump are available if needed.

Cheers  Geoff

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« Reply #546 on: October 20, 2021, 03:57:10 AM »
Nice one, Terry  8)

The issue of bubbles in the oil lines is a common problem, especially as they age.  A tip for priming the lines is to assemble the oil pump end as if you are going to fit it, but slip a washer and nut on instead and lightly clamp the sealing washer to the banjo.  Then you can simply inject oil (oil can/syringe) up the bolt and fill the oil line.  Parts to refurbish the pump are available if needed.

Cheers  Geoff

Thanks Geoff, I ordered a new seal kit for the pump from Canada on the 9th of October just in case the pump isn't pumping, but I suspect that it's OK, and having no idea how long it'll take from Canada I'll take your advice and prime the lines from the pump, it'd be miserable to have it running so sweetly, only to seize due to a few drops of oil not getting to where they need to go. ;D
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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« Reply #547 on: October 20, 2021, 04:24:30 AM »
Hi Terry,

Even with a few bubbles going through you are unlikely to cause a seizure.  Always reassuring to see a solidly filled line though.  The lines are prone to cracking at the interface between line and the fittings.  Carefully cleaned and with a small smear of epoxy these can often be repaired.  NOS are likely eBay only, and cost a fortune.

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« Reply #548 on: October 20, 2021, 07:57:00 AM »
Sounds like making new custom lines is a cottage industry opportunity for some enterprising resourceful soul out there given the margin is there currently.
They look simple enough but making them "oil tight" is likely not as simple as I might imagine.
Are the ends of the lines anything special or available? Too bad you cannot have an Aeroquip style fabricate your own type setup.

Terry, bike looks great! Sucks about the speedo, you going to #$%* at the seller?
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« Reply #549 on: October 20, 2021, 08:13:30 AM »
My Z1 gauges are on the way back from CB750 faces. Yes, it was expensive.
Very nice T500, sounds great and not much smoke.
i've always wondered about those oil lines, it seems like there must be a way to recreate them and I'm sure there may be better material to use these days. Or not.
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