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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 05:24:13 AM »
 I'm still curious if you have the original early 'wrinkle' gas tank or a later one. Even the early wrinkle tanks had differences that can affect value like 2 dimple versus 4 dimple etc..

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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 05:30:32 AM »
 So looks  like later motor...
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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 05:31:55 AM »
if there is some way to document what year/model case you have, it could be stamped with a number to go with the frame, as intended and being honest. Of course, you need that old honda dealer with the factory issued stamp set. If it matters to you. Then you wouldn't need another motor.......one thing leads to another....and depends on your intentions.
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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2021, 08:40:46 AM »
There never was a factory issued stamp set
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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2021, 09:00:06 AM »
It looks like there is a bolt hole between 2 and 3 exhaust ports, but no bolt.  I put a piece of wire down the hole and it seems to go all the way into the block.  Should I put a bolt in there?  Also, I did some research about the different heads and read about the production code stamped in to them between 2/3 intake, but my code doesn't look like any others.  Also I don't know if it means anything, but like I said before, when I got the bike the electrical system was a mess, the wires to the stator were melted, so I had to replace the stator.  When I pulled the cover off the oil galley plug was missing, I bought one on ebay and put it in, should I take it back out?
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Yes, put the oil port plug back in, with a new O-ring if you can find one. I might be able to come up with one, I'll look around.
The front bolt: if there are the threads in the cylinders to accept it, do put that in: it was added after the K0 to prevent oil leaks that come from crankcase pressures pushing against the thin zone of the head gasket at that point. Only the K0 engines omitted this bolt. If the head is K1-K3 and the cylinders are K0, there will be no hole nor threads in the cylinder's block to hold the bolt in.

About all the "mix" of parts: another possibility is an insurance-funded rebuild of a major crash of a bike. It was not uncommon for folks to fully insure these bikes in the day so that in the event of an accident it could be replaced, or fully rebuilt, at the owner's discretion. I personally aided (or did) several bikes of various kinds in my shop that underwent this activity. For example: if the bike were originally a K3 and the (fully-insured) rider got rear-ended by a car, the frame would have been toast and the chain, going slack from being hit while the rider may have been sitting at a stop with the bike in gear and the clutch pulled in, then doubled over and punched through the engine cases when the surprised rider let go of the clutch lever. So, the insurance would pay for a new or used frame installation and new cases on the engine. This sort of thing was very common then, and lucrative for shops like mine. When all was said and done, the insurance company would certify the bike to the State as an "insurance rebuild" bike and it would retain its original title albeit with the new frame number, regardless of that part's origin.
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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2021, 09:22:13 AM »
When I bought my K0, a 3/70 build, five years ago, it had a 1974 motor, I found a matching motor , that was withiin  50 s/n, I sent motor to Hondaman for overhaul and now I have a restored matching number bike.

I would guess that your frame was a November 1969 build or sooner. A very early diecast. If I were you I would be patient and search for a matching S/n engine.

Meanwhile restore the frame to period correct condition. When done you might have something worth 20 to 25K

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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2021, 10:15:33 AM »
Oh yes m i forgot, coukd still be a KO cylinder if there is no threads in the cylinder, that would explain missing bolt. . In that case it would mean it may be tge original motor except for cases and geadm if you are lucky.
 The bolt hole being there started somewhere in the 26,××× range.

 Another thing you may see and I have one.... is the hole added to the head that came without the hole..
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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2021, 12:34:27 PM »
I did replace the galley plug, as for the bolt in the head, does anyone know what size it is?  from the hole size I'm guessing M6, maybe 85mm?

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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2021, 03:46:10 PM »
And it does have a wrinkle tank

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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2021, 03:50:44 PM »
Yes 6 mm bolt, but first stick a 3/16 or so drill bit in, see how far it goes..
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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2021, 04:12:26 PM »
And it does have a wrinkle tank
Actually I don't think its an early wrinkle. Wrinkles in the wrong place as seen from underneath. If you open the gas cap and look inside and see wrinkles that's good,if its smooth its later. I'll snap a pic or two of one in my basement later.

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Re: Frame year different than title
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2021, 10:06:59 PM »
And it does have a wrinkle tank

Wrinkle tanks have front to back wrinkles looking through the gas cap, not side to side.
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