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Hey guys,

After my bike got knocked over in the parking lot a couple weeks ago, my slow leaking head gasket has evolved into a steady trickle - more than I am comfortable with to ride.

I'm looking to pull the motor and replace the head gasket this fall, and was wondering if someone (looking at you HondaMan  ;D) could help me make a list of what I should replace while I'm in there - especially what manufacturers I should use when sourcing parts.

At a minimum I'm thinking head gasket, timing chain, chain tensioner, and piston rings. I know a lot of guys ship their heads off  to CycleX for machining and whatnot. Any recommended services I should do though them? (Cast iron valve guides, head machining, etc)?

My bike is a '77 750F with around 38k miles on the engine. My budget is $800-1000.

and yes, I did get the My CB750 book  ;)

Thanks for your support,
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2021, 01:36:04 PM »
Since you have an F2 I would definitely do a valve job if you can fit it in your budget. The F2/3 engines are known to wear guides and seats faster than all other 750's because of changes Honda made in the valvetrain that are only on those 2 years of the F.

Piston rings would not be a 'while I am there item' for me. Once the head is off take a look at the condition of the bores and let that guide you.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2021, 04:56:47 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 06:00:37 PM »
 You will need the rubber pucks of the correct thickness that go under the cam towers which may be the cause of the leak. Does the bike smoke right now out the exhaust ? Not sure what a head refurb costs for a F2/F3 but its not going to be cheap. If your going in deep which may not be necessary bet I could think of more goodies like tensioner wheel etc.. 
   Weren't people at one time having a real hard time finding stock rings for those pistons ?  Thought a gal on here once quite awhile ago had a batch specially made and was offering some up.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2021, 06:10:07 PM »
The F2/3 engines get 'special treatment' from me because of their typically more-stressed parts.
My first comment, though, is: bore with new pistons and 0.0008" piston clearance, as new rings will not ever seat in those bores now. They are not round anymore. CI makes a decent set of F2/3 pistons I've used 5 times now with no issues.

The other things:
1. Get Ken's (Cycle X) valve retainers for the F2/3 engines. These are pure genius and will restore the valve train reliability you want.
2. If you can find them, get a set of 750K7/8 valve springs and replace yours with those instead. They are slightly less strong, and since you're not racing, they don't need to be like the OEM ones were in these 2 engines. This will also extend valve guide life.
3. Replace the valve guides. I prefer, recommend, and install APE bronze guides using the minimum Honda-recommended clearances. The bronze will live with the non-lubricating fuels we have today, while the cast-iron guides being offered will require you add some lube to your gas tank at each fillup, or else suffer premature wear.
4. Consider replacing the cam chain tensioner roller, if you can get a genuine Honda version. Right now these are scarce: JT MArks had a lot of them, but I don't know what will happen with his massive inventory since he just died.
5. Contact me when it is apart for some special O-rings to install into the oil passages between cylinders and head. Mill your cylinder deck 0.010" and mill the head flat (usually less than 0.005" is enough for that).

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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 06:26:59 PM »
The F2/3 engines get 'special treatment' from me because of their typically more-stressed parts.
My first comment, though, is: bore with new pistons and 0.0008" piston clearance, as new rings will not ever seat in those bores now. They are not round anymore. CI makes a decent set of F2/3 pistons I've used 5 times now with no issues.

The other things:
1. Get Ken's (Cycle X) valve retainers for the F2/3 engines. These are pure genius and will restore the valve train reliability you want.
2. If you can find them, get a set of 750K7/8 valve springs and replace yours with those instead. They are slightly less strong, and since you're not racing, they don't need to be like the OEM ones were in these 2 engines. This will also extend valve guide life.
3. Replace the valve guides. I prefer, recommend, and install APE bronze guides using the minimum Honda-recommended clearances. The bronze will live with the non-lubricating fuels we have today, while the cast-iron guides being offered will require you add some lube to your gas tank at each fillup, or else suffer premature wear.
4. Consider replacing the cam chain tensioner roller, if you can get a genuine Honda version. Right now these are scarce: JT MArks had a lot of them, but I don't know what will happen with his massive inventory since he just died.
5. Contact me when it is apart for some special O-rings to install into the oil passages between cylinders and head. Mill your cylinder deck 0.010" and mill the head flat (usually less than 0.005" is enough for that).

Pop in anytime with questions, glad to kibitz!
Hey Mark. How far will his $800-$1,000 budget go on that package ?

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 10:47:48 PM »
The F2/3 engines get 'special treatment' from me because of their typically more-stressed parts.
My first comment, though, is: bore with new pistons and 0.0008" piston clearance, as new rings will not ever seat in those bores now. They are not round anymore. CI makes a decent set of F2/3 pistons I've used 5 times now with no issues.

The other things:
1. Get Ken's (Cycle X) valve retainers for the F2/3 engines. These are pure genius and will restore the valve train reliability you want.
2. If you can find them, get a set of 750K7/8 valve springs and replace yours with those instead. They are slightly less strong, and since you're not racing, they don't need to be like the OEM ones were in these 2 engines. This will also extend valve guide life.
3. Replace the valve guides. I prefer, recommend, and install APE bronze guides using the minimum Honda-recommended clearances. The bronze will live with the non-lubricating fuels we have today, while the cast-iron guides being offered will require you add some lube to your gas tank at each fillup, or else suffer premature wear.
4. Consider replacing the cam chain tensioner roller, if you can get a genuine Honda version. Right now these are scarce: JT MArks had a lot of them, but I don't know what will happen with his massive inventory since he just died.
5. Contact me when it is apart for some special O-rings to install into the oil passages between cylinders and head. Mill your cylinder deck 0.010" and mill the head flat (usually less than 0.005" is enough for that).

Pop in anytime with questions, glad to kibitz!

Thanks Mark!
 
I have several questions... I'll try to keep them concise.

1. Re: CycleX retainers - I can find the retainers listed on their valve train page in their kits, but not a la carte - I guess I'll call and see what it takes to get those.
2. Re: Valve Springs - Im seeing the 77-78 K springs as p/n 14751-300-003 for "inner" and 14751-300-003 for "outer. There are some NOS listed on ebay right now - guess I need 4 of each? Is inner the Intake side and outer the exhaust side?
3. Re: APE Bronze Valve guides - Found a set on 4into1.com for $93 a set - what do you charge for install if I go that route?
4. Re: Cam chain - roller The part number im finding for the cam chain roller is 14601-312-000. I found some in stock for $29 - I'll go ahead and order one of those.
5. Re: CI Pistons - CI = CruzinImage? I can't seem to find the 77-78 pistons on their page. Do you have a link? How many thou over stock should I go, or is that merely determined by the extent of wear on the cylinder? (Sorry im naive - Ive never rebuilt an engine)

Also, as far as the majority of the gaskets / O-rings, should I just go with an 'overhaul kit'? Any brands you recommend?

I see on page IB-6 of the My CB750 book where you emphasize the importance of the Cam Tower O-rings - are those still avialable? These are different than the ones you mentioned in point 5 of your comment, right?

Is replacing the valves themselves necessary/beneficial? My bike has always run particularly rich (my friends say my exhaust burns their eyes). That could be due to a slew of things, but ive always wondered about valves.
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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 11:09:28 PM »
You will need the rubber pucks of the correct thickness that go under the cam towers which may be the cause of the leak. Does the bike smoke right now out the exhaust ? Not sure what a head refurb costs for a F2/F3 but its not going to be cheap. If your going in deep which may not be necessary bet I could think of more goodies like tensioner wheel etc.. 
   Weren't people at one time having a real hard time finding stock rings for those pistons ?  Thought a gal on here once quite awhile ago had a batch specially made and was offering some up.

I guess you're referring to what is listed as 'Rubber Insert' (p/n 12195-410-000) (#3 on the parts diagram https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/honda/motorcycle/1977/cb750f-a-750-super-sport/cylinder-head)? My exhaust does run really thick/rich right now.

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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 12:35:00 AM »
Nope, part No 18
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 06:01:34 AM »
 If you look at the parts diagram you will see that each valve has two springs. A smaller inner and a larger outer meaning you need 8 of each.  Be very wary of those cheap possibly Chinese rubber cam chain roller wheels as there are documented cases here of some of them falling apart quickly. Don't want to have to go back in for that issue.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 07:22:12 AM »
If you look at the parts diagram you will see that each valve has two springs. A smaller inner and a larger outer meaning you need 8 of each.  Be very wary of those cheap possibly Chinese rubber cam chain roller wheels as there are documented cases here of some of them falling apart quickly. Don't want to have to go back in for that issue.

DOH. Thanks for telling me that. Shows I shouldn't be looking for parts that late in the night. How many of those are there? 4?
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2021, 09:19:01 AM »
For the valve springs: maybe put up a request in the Parts Wanted section in these forums. While the OEM F2/3 springs work, they are excessivley strong and can wear the cam, rockers, and valve keepers over time. I haven't seen an F2/3 make it past 45k miles with those springs unless it was rebuilt. In contrast, the K7/8 springs will give you a solid 80K mile top end if you're not racing.

The cam chain roller: yeah, what Ekpent said: the OEM version is about $60, the bad ones are about $30.

The most important item you can get is Ken's valve spring retainers, about $130 for the set. Next most important is better valve guides, as the OEM versions seldom make it past 10k miles. The machine shop I use here charges $15 per guide for sizing and $12 per seat to recut the seats to match the new, installed, sized guides perfectly - I charge about $50 to pull the old ones and install the new ones. It's about $7 per valve to then have their faces cleaned and cut to match the size of the seats this made. Generally these head rebuilds run around $500-$600 from my local shop, plus the new retainers and the rubber pucks. You can get the rubber pucks from places like PartsNmore or CB750 Supply, about $4-$6 each one. Be careful to get the ones for the CB750: there are others out there that look the same, but are thinner and WILL leak when you put it all together. This caused a lot of confusion and leaky 750/550/500 engines in 2005-2010 when the thin ones were coming in the gasket kits by mistake. Those thinner ones fit later bikes, like from the early 2000 era.

If you have a local machine shop, take My CB750 Book with you to the shop and show them the valve stem clearances you want, and the piston clearances you must have. If they balk at them (because they are small clearances), find another shop. Some shops think they know better: don't believe it, or them. The rebuild WILL fail immediately if these tolerances are not kept.

Shipping back & forth to me would probably break your budget: it can cost $80 to send a head across the USA one way today.

Boring the cylinders: same rules apply, take the book and show it to them. If they don't believe it, tell them to e-mail me and I'll explain it to them - as civil-ly as I can - because normal engines (water cooled) use lots more clearance and these engines will fail unless kept [very] tight. I even rebuilt my own 750 with the old Honda racing spec of 0.0006" piston clearance, and the reward for having done it was immediate, and terrific! Mine has never run so strong nor so quiet before. The local shop here charges $35 per hole for boring and $55 for putting it thru their parts washer and bead blaster, $45 to mill off the 0.010" to compensate for the new head gaskets being too thick today.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2021, 10:14:56 AM »
Weren't the stronger valve springs in the F2/F3 required to increase the red line on the tach?  Going to change the tach, too?

What cost speed?  How many hot rodded motors last as long as a factory setup in other automotive endeavors?

Detuning a motor for lower performance does make it last longer, but then there is the less sporty performance aspect.   Case in point; 72 Ford truck with a 360 V8 factory rated at 150 HP.  Isn't that pretty week?  Good news, it's still running after 50 years.  (Simply putting a different cam in it would bring it up to 300.  And with other valve train and induction mods 360-400 hp.)   But, if using that power, the lower end bits aren't very long lasting.  So, what modern engine in that displacement class makes such low numbers?

The F2/3 was a hot rodded 750 for the era.  I'm sure if you change the bits that make it a hot rod, it will last longer. (as you watch everyone else pass you by...HA!)

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2021, 11:48:07 AM »
Weren't the stronger valve springs in the F2/F3 required to increase the red line on the tach?  Going to change the tach, too?

What cost speed?  How many hot rodded motors last as long as a factory setup in other automotive endeavors?

Detuning a motor for lower performance does make it last longer, but then there is the less sporty performance aspect.   Case in point; 72 Ford truck with a 360 V8 factory rated at 150 HP.  Isn't that pretty week?  Good news, it's still running after 50 years.  (Simply putting a different cam in it would bring it up to 300.  And with other valve train and induction mods 360-400 hp.)   But, if using that power, the lower end bits aren't very long lasting.  So, what modern engine in that displacement class makes such low numbers?

The F2/3 was a hot rodded 750 for the era.  I'm sure if you change the bits that make it a hot rod, it will last longer. (as you watch everyone else pass you by...HA!)

Cheers,


Yeah - I'm a bit conflicted about the springs. I called Ken (CycleX) to ask about the retainers, and he gave me a lot of information. I mentioned Mark recommended K7/K8 springs and he said that they'd be shorter and would need to be shimmed and recommended against them. He also highly recommended against the CI rings. Went into a lot of other things that got over my head quick.

I see some NOS rings on ebay, but no idea how many thou oversize I need.. guess I just need to tear the damn thing apart and make decisions at that point.




For the valve springs: maybe put up a request in the Parts Wanted section in these forums. While the OEM F2/3 springs work, they are excessivley strong and can wear the cam, rockers, and valve keepers over time. I haven't seen an F2/3 make it past 45k miles with those springs unless it was rebuilt. In contrast, the K7/8 springs will give you a solid 80K mile top end if you're not racing.

Well, my bike being a cafe, I mostly use it to commute. Ive had it 2 years and hardly put 2k miles on it, so I might rather have the 'performance' at the cost of lower life expectancy.

The cam chain roller: yeah, what Ekpent said: the OEM version is about $60, the bad ones are about $30.

The one I saw on Partzilla says its an OEM, but is $30, so I should avoid that one? Link: https://www.partzilla.com/product/honda/14601-312-000?ref=null

The most important item you can get is Ken's valve spring retainers, about $130 for the set. Next most important is better valve guides, as the OEM versions seldom make it past 10k miles. The machine shop I use here charges $15 per guide for sizing and $12 per seat to recut the seats to match the new, installed, sized guides perfectly - I charge about $50 to pull the old ones and install the new ones. It's about $7 per valve to then have their faces cleaned and cut to match the size of the seats this made. Generally these head rebuilds run around $500-$600 from my local shop, plus the new retainers and the rubber pucks. You can get the rubber pucks from places like PartsNmore or CB750 Supply, about $4-$6 each one. Be careful to get the ones for the CB750: there are others out there that look the same, but are thinner and WILL leak when you put it all together. This caused a lot of confusion and leaky 750/550/500 engines in 2005-2010 when the thin ones were coming in the gasket kits by mistake. Those thinner ones fit later bikes, like from the early 2000 era.

If you have a local machine shop, take My CB750 Book with you to the shop and show them the valve stem clearances you want, and the piston clearances you must have. If they balk at them (because they are small clearances), find another shop. Some shops think they know better: don't believe it, or them. The rebuild WILL fail immediately if these tolerances are not kept.

Boring the cylinders: same rules apply, take the book and show it to them. If they don't believe it, tell them to e-mail me and I'll explain it to them - as civil-ly as I can - because normal engines (water cooled) use lots more clearance and these engines will fail unless kept [very] tight. I even rebuilt my own 750 with the old Honda racing spec of 0.0006" piston clearance, and the reward for having done it was immediate, and terrific! Mine has never run so strong nor so quiet before. The local shop here charges $35 per hole for boring and $55 for putting it thru their parts washer and bead blaster, $45 to mill off the 0.010" to compensate for the new head gaskets being too thick today.

Okay, thanks for the cost references. My local bike guy used to work for Russ Collins, so I'll see if he has a shop he recommends or source the work through him so he gets a cut.

For now, I guess Im just going to focus on getting the engine out, inspecting the extent of the wear and decide what to go with from there.


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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2021, 03:05:20 PM »
 The Partzilla add looks legit like it may be actual Honda. Best wait for someone else who has bought there to chime in. What I found interesting were all the other bikes in that add that use this same part. Definitely enough where Honda should keep making it.
  Your local guy should have some interesting stories about working for RC. Better buy a six pack and see if he will open up.  Better watch out though or you'll be spending big dough for a Cobra engine  ;)
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2021, 09:03:19 PM »
Weren't the stronger valve springs in the F2/F3 required to increase the red line on the tach?  Going to change the tach, too?
Well, in a way: the stock K0-K3 springs were stronger than the K4-K6 springs (the K0-K3 were all the same) and those had the 8500 RPM redline until Honda got nervous in 1970 and changed it to 8000. Seeing it back at 8500 again on the F2/3 made me laugh: everyone was running 7000-9000 on the roadrace tracks where I ran, using K0-K3 type springs. The cam from all the K0 (non-sandcast) thru K1 Old Factory was the same, changed down in duration at the New Factory K1 and later engines. It changed down again for the K4, as did their springs. The F2/3 has a bad habit of pulling the keepers thru the stock retainers primarily because of those springs.

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Detuning a motor for lower performance does make it last longer, but then there is the less sporty performance aspect.   Case in point; 72 Ford truck with a 360 V8 factory rated at 150 HP.  Isn't that pretty week?  Good news, it's still running after 50 years.  (Simply putting a different cam in it would bring it up to 300.  And with other valve train and induction mods 360-400 hp.)   But, if using that power, the lower end bits aren't very long lasting.  So, what modern engine in that displacement class makes such low numbers?
Long live the FE! I love the Ford FE engines. I had the 390X in my 1963 Galaxie convertible, rated 335 HP (for insurance purposes) but put a full 345 onto the rear wheels, so the engine, ahead of the Cruise-O-Matic slushbox, had to be closer to 400 HP. I also had the 390H (only made from 1966 summer to 1967 November) in my 1967 LTD 2-door Fastback: it could fully bury the 125 MPH speedometer with pedal left, and between 65-85 MPH gave 18 MPG - less at 55 MPH, because the [rare] MX tranny behind it locked the convertor at 1800 RPM, aka 62 MPH w/2.75 differential, and unlocked it below that for snappier throttle response. The FE went from 332 CID in the Edsel to 428 CID in the Boss Mustangs, the latter torquing dynos to as much as 425 HP rear-wheel, while the incredible 427 SOHC versions could (and still do) reach 800+ HP with a pair of 780 CFM Holleys on them. THAT was an engine!

Somehow I need to scan the old 427 CID SOHC articles I have and post them here in the "other bikes" section...
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2021, 09:44:27 PM »
Weren't the stronger valve springs in the F2/F3 required to increase the red line on the tach?  Going to change the tach, too?
Well, in a way: the stock K0-K3 springs were stronger than the K4-K6 springs (the K0-K3 were all the same) and those had the 8500 RPM redline until Honda got nervous in 1970 and changed it to 8000. Seeing it back at 8500 again on the F2/3 made me laugh: everyone was running 7000-9000 on the roadrace tracks where I ran, using K0-K3 type springs. The cam from all the K0 (non-sandcast) thru K1 Old Factory was the same, changed down in duration at the New Factory K1 and later engines. It changed down again for the K4, as did their springs. The F2/3 has a bad habit of pulling the keepers thru the stock retainers primarily because of those springs.


Mark,

I would have to walk out to my garage to be certain, but I am 99% sure that my F1 has an 8500 redline and my buddy's F3 a 9500

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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2021, 06:19:06 AM »
Before order, verify model of your engine.
"77 750F" is not F2 that arrived 1978 as I am aware of.

It can be a 392 head that accept K guides and valves if replacing all.

I have one 392 head that got the entire package with K guides and valves.

Another K6 head got the setup from CycleX a few months ago that fit 392 heads too.
Iron guides, shiny stainless steel valves and spring kit with retainers, keepers.

(Plus locally massaged ports before assembly,  spring force measured for shims height)
« Last Edit: September 10, 2021, 10:31:33 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2021, 09:48:46 PM »
Before order, verify model of your engine.
"77 750F" is not F2 that arrived 1978 as I am aware of.

It can be a 392 head that accept K guides and valves if replacing all.

I have one 392 head that got the entire package with K guides and valves.

Another K6 head got the setup from CycleX a few months ago that fit 392 heads too.
Iron guides, shiny stainless steel valves and spring kit with retainers, keepers.

(Plus locally massaged ports before assembly,  spring force measured for shims height)

Engine number is 2609328, so a '77 engine according to vintageCB750.com: https://www.vintagecb750.com/model-guide-cb750

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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2021, 10:59:57 PM »
Before order, verify model of your engine.
"77 750F" is not F2 that arrived 1978 as I am aware of.

It can be a 392 head that accept K guides and valves if replacing all.

I have one 392 head that got the entire package with K guides and valves.

Another K6 head got the setup from CycleX a few months ago that fit 392 heads too.
Iron guides, shiny stainless steel valves and spring kit with retainers, keepers.

(Plus locally massaged ports before assembly,  spring force measured for shims height)

Engine number is 2609328, so a '77 engine according to vintageCB750.com: https://www.vintagecb750.com/model-guide-cb750
OK, 410 head then. Different than the earlier.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2021, 06:21:06 PM »

I see on page IB-6 of the My CB750 book where you emphasize the importance of the Cam Tower O-rings - are those still avialable? These are different than the ones you mentioned in point 5 of your comment, right?


Vital! I use 2x6mm O-rings there. Honda's minimum spec is 1.9x5.9mm size.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2021, 08:02:44 AM by HondaMan »
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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2021, 07:34:04 AM »
Before order, verify model of your engine.
"77 750F" is not F2 that arrived 1978 as I am aware of.

It can be a 392 head that accept K guides and valves if replacing all.

I have one 392 head that got the entire package with K guides and valves.

Another K6 head got the setup from CycleX a few months ago that fit 392 heads too.
Iron guides, shiny stainless steel valves and spring kit with retainers, keepers.

(Plus locally massaged ports before assembly,  spring force measured for shims height)


I'm not sure what you are saying here. In the US a '77 model 750 is an F2, a '78 model 750F is an F3. They should have the same head on them.
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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 12:11:40 PM »
F2 came 1978 here in Sweden.
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 02:16:58 PM »
also many experts claim that the f3 is not a real/true model designation, as it was identical to an f2 except for paint options
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Re: Recommended 'While I'm In There' Shopping List
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2021, 02:22:37 PM »
also many experts claim that the f3 is not a real/true model designation, as it was identical to an f2 except for paint options

Isn't that also true for some years of the K models?
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Current: '76 CB750F. Previous:  '75 CB550F, 2007 Yamaha Vino 125 Scooter, '75 Harley FXE Superglide, '77 GL1000, '77 CB550k, '68 Suzuki K10 80, '68 Yamaha YR2, '69 BMW R69S, '71 Honda SL175, '02 Royal Enfield Bullet 500, '89 Yamaha FJ1200