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Offline sadolfson

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1972 CB500 stator resistance
« on: November 02, 2021, 01:21:07 PM »
I purchased a mostly unassembled !972 CB500 and am at the point of installing the generator. The stator coil and field coil are both out of the bike. The field coil tests at 4.9 ohms resistance which according to the manual is in spec. Testing between each of the three yellow wires to each other all show 1.5 ohms resistance. The manual shows that standard resistance is .35 +/- 10%. I have my meter set at 200 ohms. There appears to be no damage to the stator oil. Does this mean the stator coil is bad? They look like the original parts but I don't know for sure. Any help is appreciated.

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2021, 01:42:44 PM »
If you put your meter probes together, what is the reading?
 Whatever that is, subtract it from your stator measurement.

Just  because the meter is digital, doesn't mean it is accurate.

Your stator is probably just fine, unless you see bullet holes or axe marks in it.

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2021, 01:50:41 PM »
When I touch together the two test leads connected to my multimeter  it reads .7 resistance. 1.5-.7=.5. It would seem that this mean the stator is in spec. But the I wonder about the field coil. 4.9-.7=4.2. Spec is 4.9+-10%. Shouldn't be less than 4.4.

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2021, 02:02:35 PM »
Do the field windings look baked?

What is the error accuracy of your meter?

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2021, 02:09:43 PM »
The windings look good except for about a 3/4" dark brown area extending about 3/4 of the width. Looks slightly melted.

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2021, 02:14:23 PM »
Touching the two leads, once the meter settles in it holds steady at .7

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2021, 05:01:39 PM »
Touching the two leads, once the meter settles in it holds steady at .7

The owner's manual for the meter has specifications as to what it's designed accuracy error is.  Never exact,  Usually says something like a % of reading + or minus x number of digits.  Your .7 measurement is what the meter lead resistance is and whatever circuitry the meter has internally up to the actual measurement chip.  While it effects accuracy, that's not the spec for the actual meter measurement accuracy outside of it's connection method.

Accurate low ohms readings are problematic for inexpensive meters, and requires technique to gain meaningful results.   To get real accuracy you need a wheatstone bridge.  With that you can get pretty accurate resistance of nearly any circuit.  I've even used one to locate short circuits, probing for the lowest resistance along the shorted circuit.  Lowest resistance between two shorted circuits is the physical location of the short.

I would assume the numbers you are getting are not a huge concern for the function of the alternator assembly unless you think the melted area has corrupted the thin wire insulation between windings and allowed the coil wires to short together.  Even if field coil wires are shorted together, reducing the effective number of coil loops, the system will still work, albeit with a slightly lower output due to the reduced electromagnetic field strength.  The reduction will be in the percent of error you have measured in resistance below spec.

Your .2 reading out of spec. (assuming your meter has such accuracy)  Would then equate to about a 5% loss in peak performance.  Or about 7.5 watts less than the 150Watts rated. (If I've done the math correctly.)

Your call as to whether you wish to acquire a better field coil.  But, I would measure prospects with your same meter to see if it really is an improvement over what you already have.

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2021, 05:08:19 PM »
TT's explanation is perfect and i would add in over 40 yrsof working on sohc4 the only duff coils ive seen were those ripped off in an accident, never tried an axe and we dont got firearms any more
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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2021, 08:39:12 AM »
Great explanation TT! I'm going to install the way it is. The burn area doesn't look even appear to have melted any wire insulation. Later if I decide to replace it. It's easy. This is the first old Honda I've dug into and for 1972 the engineering is impressive. I have a 1975 Norton and instead of re-engineering to accommodate a starter, they added parts to what was already there in the primary drive and slapped on a two brush Prestolite. It came to be known as "starter assist". Three years to get it right.. Wrong!
  Thanks for the help, guys>

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Re: 1972 CB500 stator resistance
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2021, 10:36:48 AM »
Those Norton starters make a lovely click
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