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85 fz 750
« on: November 12, 2021, 09:03:57 AM »
I have no idea what I was thinking when I picked this up. It was advertised on FB as an '88 but once I looked closer and checked the vin, it's a '85. Its been repainted and had aftermarket bodywork applied. The exhaust isn't '85 either, but it's remarkably intact mechanically, albeit a bit neglected.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2021, 01:50:48 PM »
A local vintage bike repair guy I know was pulling his hair out working on one of those 5 valve engines. One major problem he said he had was that he could not find the correct size shims for the valves.  Is it  runner right now ?

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2021, 03:16:25 PM »
A really cool bike. The beginnings of Yamaha’s Genesis engine and the precursor to the FZR and eventually the R1. In its day it was one of the best 750 sport bikes available. A really nice piece of Yamaha sportbike history. Looks kinda rough but if you’re a Yamaha guy, not a bad bike to have.

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2021, 04:38:58 PM »
That looks nice. A real classic !
I have new valve shims for it:they're small O.D.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2021, 07:47:14 PM »
I had lots of fun with one of those back in the mid 80's. Does it still have the 16 inch front tire?
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2021, 05:05:43 AM »
great bikes .

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2021, 05:22:03 AM »
Its an early version, has the single throttle cable. Its been sitting since oct. of 2000 in a dump of a garage. Its been abused and a bit neglected, looks like it fell over at some point. There's 18k and change on the clock. Currently draining all the fluids and going thru everything to find out what's garbage and whats not. Turns over, everything lights up and turns on, so there's a plus right there. I've got a couple a hundred invested, so its not a money pit yet. The real problem with these bikes is the cosmetics, the bodywork is out there but most of it is in tough shape, lots of cracked and broken panels. Hard to believe what people want for near 40 yr old plastic that's already in tough shape. Still has the 16 inch frt wheel.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2021, 04:00:54 PM »
Yes, welcome to the “vintage sportbike” world. Most of these bikes were ridden hard by the squiddly crowd and have been down on the pavement. Finding plastics for them in any kind of decent condition is a pain. You may be able to find repop or Chinese plastics for it if you’re just looking to get it back together and out on the road. If you’re wanting to do a restoration job your quest will probably be a lot harder.

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2021, 05:31:47 PM »
You understand why many sportbikes become naked bikes with age...
Problem is they are quite ugly without their skin...
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2021, 01:15:20 PM »
   It's completely understandable,  but nonetheless hard to see. I really couldn't pass it up regardless of its condition,  in my neck of the woods you just don't see them often, if a all.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2021, 09:53:17 AM »
   So the carbs are essentially useless, every slide is stuck solid. It's a great parts rack, the brass and all the other essential internals are in good shape.  Just did the valve lash, they're all under spec,  so that's gotta be done. But before I even worry about that I've got a stuck intake valve, its hanging open by about 15 thou, so I've got that to look forward to 1st. On the upside,  it looks relatively clean inside, cams don't show any unusual lobe wear, yet.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2021, 02:29:08 PM »
Glad to see you own it  :D
You can try soaking those carbs.
I would pull the head if it was mine and remove all valves and check guides and seats,etc.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2021, 03:14:39 PM »
   I pulled one of the carbs off of the rack, soaked it for the day, cleaned it off then tried the torch to heat up the slide. Wouldn't budge and inch, really pissed me off, used racks that are rebuildable are pricey. The heads coming off, will look closely at everything, may even throw in a new set of rings while I'm in there. For that matter everything on this bike's a little pricey. There's no over sized pistons available any where that I can find. But you can drop in a 87-88 FZ1000 topend (pistons and cylinders). so, yeah... I have some options... Would like to keep it as stock looking as possible. More pic's to come.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2021, 05:28:21 PM »
I love that FZ,it's a nice classic  8)
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2021, 09:24:47 AM »
for hard to find pistons try egge machine in los angles ca.   they have pulled my fat out of the fire a few times

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2022, 10:41:12 AM »
   So, I've pulled the head and found a real mess, at some point in time, someone dropped a screw from the carb rack down the #1 intake which intern became part of the #1 combustion chamber. It damaged the head (junk) right next to one of the valve seats and then bent 2 valves  and turned the piston into junk as well.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2022, 01:33:08 PM »
 So are you going to continue on or cut your losses and move it on out ?

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2022, 02:01:33 PM »
I've got another head already, reconditioned it, getting ready to reinstall. I'll post later tonight or first thing tomorrow about the process.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2022, 04:04:33 PM »
I've got another head already, reconditioned it, getting ready to reinstall. I'll post later tonight or first thing tomorrow about the process.

 ;) Good of you to not give up.
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2022, 07:47:37 AM »
   I was able to find a salvageable head on ebay ($102 shipping included), it even had all the valve shims still in it. Let me start by saying, rebuilding this type of head became a series of compromises, there's 20 valves at over $50 each and guides are over $20 each, so finding the best of the two heads became my only option to recondition without spending $800 - $1000.
   I had to replace 3 valve guides (cmsnl), all were intakes and all the middle valve in the configuration (????). All the seats were serviceable but the intake valves were beat up. So I went thru and picked out the best 12 of the 24 in front of me. Once the head was disassembled and the 3 guides replaced, I went about rechecking all the valve and seat interfaces just to see where they were showing on the valve face. All were seating out at the margin of the valve so after some conversations about what might be the best approach I decided to only use a 45 degree cut to clean up the seat and then a 30 degree cut to narrow the seat down and to the the center of the valve face. Part of my concern was removing alot of seat material and then having to shim the springs and then find all the right valve stem shims ($8 ea) to get all the valve gaps in spec. It starts to add up.
   This process of cutting the seats took the better part of the week as I was working with one of my machinists at work to get this done, and we only had about an hour time each evening. Once the seats were done, I lightly lapped each valve with a fine lapping compound to confirm our seat location on each valve. Whew! 20 valves. Re-cleaned the head then reassembled using new valve guide seals (again,  20 of them).
   Let me take a step back, to get to this point was time intensive, when disassembling this head, everything has to be documented (gaps, shim sizes) and returned to its original position when reassembling, every seat and valve is checked for runout. Then once the seats are cut you have to reassemble and remeasure to determine your next shim size. The exhausts were not a problem, the intakes became a little more intensive. 1st swapping out all the intakes contributed to this, I measured each valves overall length and found that there was very little variation in length (.001-.002) but there is some, so it's a problem. The 1st reassembly on the intakes was interesting, I had no clearance to .0025, all well under the .0043 minimum. Long story short, was able to locate the correct shims (used) and bring the intakes gaps back to spec. But it takes time and patience.
   Now I've got to replace the #1 cylinder sleeve, its got a bit of corrosion that can't removed w/o going over sized and o/s pistons just don't exist. So once that's done I  can start reassembly
   I like to have attached more pic's but taking pic's thru this was really the last thing on my mind.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2022, 09:25:28 AM »
Lot's of pieces in that job.  ;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2022, 10:50:02 AM »
   So yeah, "lotsa pieces", is an understatement.
Not a ton of progress but progress non the less. Gathering all the engine internals, getting ready to drop engine, clean, and repaint what ever needs it, then reassemble. I've gotten more of the bodywork together and just seeing how everything aligns up. We're getting closer, one step at a time.
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2022, 11:15:21 AM »
   So yeah, "lotsa pieces", is an understatement.
Not a ton of progress but progress non the less. Gathering all the engine internals, getting ready to drop engine, clean, and repaint what ever needs it, then reassemble. I've gotten more of the bodywork together and just seeing how everything aligns up. We're getting closer, one step at a time.

Did you have much trouble sourcing oem Yamaha parts for that ?
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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2022, 01:37:23 PM »
That bike needs to give you a big hug for saving it !

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Re: 85 fz 750
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2022, 01:57:08 PM »
   Depends, o/s'd pistons and rings are just non existent. (I'm not on face book and have no inclination to join and to see the fz group on there) Most other items are available and pricey so I've been trying to keep it reasonable (probably not gonna happen). Found a set of cylinders that were usable on ebay, but it took 6 months of looking and a myriad of emails to find it, most of the items on ebay are absolutely unusable. Same with the cyl head, and even it was well used. Then there's the valve shims, that's a whole new thing for me, I've never hoarded Yamaha parts of any kind, mainly a kawasaki and suzuki guy, then later Honda. So time will tell. Would really like to keep this one, it's 1109 of 1st year. 18k in change on the clock, really not bad mileage, just basic neglect with a bit of abuse thrown in. The only items that I'm gonna need but haven't gotten yet are a gas tank and exhaust. Ka-freaking-ching!!!!!!
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