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Offline 736cc

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Are All Chains Equal?
« on: March 01, 2007, 01:48:56 PM »
Whats the right type and brand of chain to buy? Is there by anybody's experiance a bad choice? O-ring, non o-ring, heavy duty, 10,000 lbs tensile strength, gold, super-x, yadda yadda. I've only broken 1 chain in 35 years of riding, and that was 32 tears ago on an old chain that probably wasn't adjusted or lubed. Not a big expense but too many choices.

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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 02:56:05 PM »
I've always heard to stay away from Tsubaki...
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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 03:01:01 PM »
I've always heard to stay away from Tsubaki...

Gotta love the scientific approach.  Any other pearls from the old wives?


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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 03:02:38 PM »
Hey, I did preface it with an "I've always heard..."  ;D
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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 03:59:02 PM »
I know I put a $30 chain on my 750F and it lasted 200miles. I have a $90 oring xchain on it now but haven't had a chance to "test". Converted to 530.
The thing about common sense is that, it's not that common.

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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 04:30:52 PM »
I run 530 RK o ring chains and JT sprockets on my k5 and gt380 with no issues.It might be overkill but what the heck.

Dont skimp on chain and sprockets.  IMO






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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 07:19:40 PM »
Just go with a mid-price chain from any reputable brand. tsubaki is fine, DID, RK, whatever... all good.
If an O-ring (or X-ring, Q-ring, Theta-ring or whatever) chain will fit - they're all wider than plain chain and will interfere with engine or frame bits on some models - use it. Mintenance and mess is dramatically reduced. Standard chain will work fine too, it sounds like you know how to take care of it.
Avoid cheapo chains, they'll stretch and destroy your sprockets quickly. Top quality chain is a waste of money for an SOHC4 - excepting radical overbored drag motors maybe.

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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 08:01:54 PM »
I got three words  O RING O RING O RING
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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 08:12:01 PM »
O-rings will last longer with less maintenance, although you should lube the sprocket teeth for less wear. Cheap chain works but requires more maintenance for longer life.
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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2007, 08:40:55 PM »
My '74 CB750 runs a Tsubaki 530 HSL/NP which is a non o-ring, self lube, nickel plated chain along with OEM Honda sprockets. Mainly because rusty chains are a pet peeve of mine. They do require an occasional clean & lube. Also ran one on my modified HD Shovelhead for years without any problems.   

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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2007, 05:44:24 AM »
Dont listen to DammitDan, as Tsubaki chains are some of the best out there. How do I know? Road tested one on my Mexico Trip - Tsubaki Sigma O-ring chain - lasted the whole trip (16,000) miles, low maintenance and when it eventually did die, it kindly broke and didnt go through my cases but instead got stuck in the rear sprockect a few miles from the Georgia Welcome Centre on my way back home to Boston  ;). Still have a piece of it on my keychain (thanks to great SOHC friend Bud who came and rescued me from Birmingham Alabama). Ive run Tsubaki o-ring chains for the last 6 years and they are really worth every penny. Just bought an RX X-ring so will be interesting to compare but Im sure any O-ring or X-ring will be more than enough for these bikes.

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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2007, 09:19:29 AM »
My Thoughts ;)

     I got to the point where I felt a new chain and sprockets were becoming a serious consideration.  I contacted one of the well regarded members on this forum; well known for his savvy on the K series bikes.  I will leave his name out; I do not want to put him on the spot to defend his views; however, you may consider this my view because I agree with him 100%.......... I am using his words because he said it so well.  And, once again, he illustrates that things may not be as simple as they seem............ I didn't know about the angled, offset sprockets of Honda's design.........

   This is Beginning of Quote

    " I am a big fan of Honda's own sprockets for a couple of reasons:

   1. Honda tapered the teeth because the sprockets do not run dead true in line. The taper makes
the chain track easier to the settling points in the teeth, improving power transfer, smoothness
and quietness.

   2. The "base circle" of Honda's own sprockets are .5mm to .8mm larger than standard ANSI
sprockets. This was done to improve chain longevity and quietness, and it causes the sprockets
and chain to work together more smoothly and wear together as a mated pair.

   I, too, dislike O-ring chains on these bikes. The main reason is this non-inline tracking that
Honda went with on this design. I don't know exactly why they did this, but it remained on the
whole "K" series. I'm not sure about the "F" series, I've never checked. O-ring chains raise
the quandry of lubricants: a lube that's good for the chain-to-sprocket contact is bad for the
O-rings, and vice-versa. I have had the absolute best luck with Diamond's non-O-ring chains
(try a Kawasaki shop, they often seem to have them) because they have an extra .005" clearance
between the edges of the rollers and the sideplates, and everything is hardened to a high
degree. They also have an extra .002" clearance inside the rollers so lube can work its way
in by wicking action when the sprockets kick the chain sideways (because of the misalignments),
which also forces water and grit out at the same time. This chain will cost $120, but it's
worth it.

   The next best choice is Reynold's chains, IMO. These are available at Triumph shops, as they
are British chains. They are very hard and have extra sideplate clearances, like the Diamond,
for better sprocket entry and exit action, too, which is a common need on British bikes (also
misaligned). These can run $150.

   Many of the late 1960s hi-power bike designs ran this "parallel sprockets" configuration
(instead of inline). It seems the thinking was that having the rear sprocket closer to the
centerline of the frame would reduce the leverage across the axle, especially when the engines
were getting wider and wider. In the case of the CB750K, the swingarm is so strong that I don't
think it mattered, but on a Norton Commando it made a real noticeable difference, because the
swingarm wasn't so stiff.

   I've tried many, many different combinations: the aluminum sprockets are very short-lived and
don't have the tapered teeth edges, but are popular with racers because of the light weight.
O-rings work on 630 size chains because there are far fewer teeth and joints in a given system,
but they rob power with those dragging seals, and they still need lube, anyway, so I can't see
the advantage. I can get nearly 50,000 miles from a set of Honda sprockets with a Diamond XLR
series chain, while no other chain I ever used got more than 15,000 before it became snatchy
and uneven and noisy, which tears up sprockets quick. I use Kal-Gard moly chain lube (still
have half a case!), because it "sets up" and sticks real well to the chain, needing very little
lube to do the job. One (big) can lasts about 12,000 miles if the chain is washed and relubed
at the carwash at 1,000 mile intervals."

    End of Quote

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Re: Are All Chains Equal?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2007, 11:01:08 AM »
Are all chains equal?  NO! That can't be emphasized enough. Spend the $$ on a quality chain. I have a tendency to run the #$%* out of my 750F when I get on it. It gets full throttle at least once each ride. Can't help myself. If you go cheap as I have done before you may be adjusting your chain every week. It will stretch out very fast and hopefully not snap as mine did. There were times when that was all I could afford if I wanted to ride. So be it. My last chain was/is a RK (Sigma perhaps? Can't find the info) O ring. Cost me a few bucks. Gets very few adjustments. Good investment.

One thing I haven't seen discussed here is the strength rating of the chains. This is called tensile strength. This, in addition to O ring, in my consideration, is the most important decision in regards to my riding style/longevity. Not sure what ratings are available now but I would not consider a chain if it had a rating below 10,000 lbs. I doubt a cheap chain would even provide a rating. I think the better chains are glad to show you this figure.
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