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What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« on: December 17, 2021, 05:32:55 AM »
What I like to see is small upgrades to basically stock machines that make it "your" machine.

I have been adding small things to both my SOHC classics. Some are hidden like solid state ignitions, fuses & charging system updates.  Others are functional enhancements, like mirror extensions, kick stand length changes, phone mounts, oil pressure gauge, oil temperature gauge, and LED headlights.
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2021, 06:11:58 AM »
DVM at front.
How could I ride without it in the 80's on very long trips 2500 km away from home? ;D
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2021, 01:25:04 PM »
I always remove the lube plugs at both end of the standard swing arm bolt. Using the correct drill and tap, install a proper grease nipple. One of my grease guns is loaded with a cartridge of high quality moly-slip lube, just for that.

On bare frames, I drill and tap the brake pedal pivot tube, and the centre stand tube. Loctite a new grease nipple in place. Using a Dremel tool, knock off the part of the fitting that may be sticking too far into the pipes. Angle fittings work best here, so you can get easy access with the grease gun. Now you can pump some grease in there, without dismantling the whole thing.

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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2021, 03:05:58 PM »
Mostly things to bring it into the 21st century with still retaining a stock look...

-Electronic ignition w/ CBR coils
-Shorai Lithium battery with Ricks upgrades
-Gold emulators in front, progressive shocks in rear.
-LED headlight and gauge conversion

Well worth the upgrades, turns it into a whole other bike and you'd never know looking at it.
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2021, 03:21:43 PM »
I always remove the lube plugs at both end of the standard swing arm bolt. Using the correct drill and tap, install a proper grease nipple. One of my grease guns is loaded with a cartridge of high quality moly-slip lube, just for that.

On bare frames, I drill and tap the brake pedal pivot tube, and the centre stand tube. Loctite a new grease nipple in place. Using a Dremel tool, knock off the part of the fitting that may be sticking too far into the pipes. Angle fittings work best here, so you can get easy access with the grease gun. Now you can pump some grease in there, without dismantling the whole thing.

Lubing the swing arm is a challenge with the standard grease nipples. I found a grease gun adapter which clamps on the smooth nipple. Works well on my 550.  The 750 has a single nipple in the center of the swingarm, no fittings on the swingarm bolt.
The center nipple is a standard zerk, just difficult to reach. I use a right angle adapter into a right angle zerk for this application.  See picture of issue I had with this zerk on this rebuild. A couple of hours to disassemble, remove the broken bit, install new zerk, reassemble.

I have been told the best solution on the 750K6 is to buy a swing arm bolt that has been drilled thru with the nipples on the end, I like the idea of changing it over to std. zerks.

What wear did you see in the brake pivot mechanism that lead you to perform this modification?
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2021, 05:15:34 PM »
-"Turismo" type handgrips. These are swelled in the middle: they really improve throttle feel and reduce fatigue on long trips.
- Vetter Windjammer I (betcha can't find one of these!) of hand-laid fiberglass, with ABS Lowers and in cold weather, the up-draft stopper. Added Pop-Vent windshield.
- Krauser removeable saddlebags (from a wrecked 1970s BMW) that are not on it unless touring. My setup has the luggage rack, too, and some stabilizing brackets from it to the taillight mounts to stop handling input from heavy loads in the tour-trunk, which is from (I think) Pacifica, circa 1982.
- Handmade seat on a flexible aluminum pan. The seat is custom-contoured to me in front (and lowered 1.5" from OEM) and my wife's legs in back. This removes the rubber blocks to the frame under your butt, letting the whole seat pan flex a bit on bigger bumps. The foam came from a Yamaha Venture, circa 1982, and it and the cover custom-fitted and made by...me!
- Transistor Ignition with Security Switch.
- Drilled/tapped fork caps to install air forks. Works wonderfully! I run 3-4 PSI unloaded or up to 10 PSI with heaviest loads.
- Teflon-coated front fork seals (starting to wear out) for less stiction.
- ORCA (Mulholland) rear shocks.
- Steering damper (just installed 2019), made by one of our own: an excellent addition!
- Head is ported, chambers were  hemi'd in 2016 and head/cylinders decked from there to restore 9:1 compression, slight flycut augmentations into the intake sides of the pistons (just in case...). Head chambers were all matched to 22.5cc in the 2016 top-end mods. Intake valves are polished. Oil jets were drilled out 0.002" oversize to slightly increase oil flow to top end in hot city traffic riding.
- Installed 750K4 cam in 2013 rebuild to improve torque at 4500 RPM and allow use of lower-octane gas more often.
- Headlight Switch Saver Relay kit (K2 style).
- Keyswitch Saver Relay kit (so I can install a Tourmaster/Chinko keyswitch if necessary, has a Honda version aboard now).
- Modified Fuse to ATC type. (K2 only has 1 fuse.)
- Diamond XDL drive chain, running tip-trimmed sprockets front and rear for increaed smoothness and less need to lube things (per my book's notes).
- Bronze swingarm bushings (I built them) with new collar for 0.0004" clearance, circa 2008.

About to get: new wheel bearings (SKF brand) all around, this winter.

[edit] Forgot one: SKF tapered steering head bearings, after my custom Timkens wore out in 2014.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2021, 06:11:16 PM by HondaMan »
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2021, 06:39:16 PM »
I always remove the lube plugs at both end of the standard swing arm bolt. Using the correct drill and tap, install a proper grease nipple. One of my grease guns is loaded with a cartridge of high quality moly-slip lube, just for that.

On bare frames, I drill and tap the brake pedal pivot tube, and the centre stand tube. Loctite a new grease nipple in place. Using a Dremel tool, knock off the part of the fitting that may be sticking too far into the pipes. Angle fittings work best here, so you can get easy access with the grease gun. Now you can pump some grease in there, without dismantling the whole thing.

Lubing the swing arm is a challenge with the standard grease nipples. I found a grease gun adapter which clamps on the smooth nipple. Works well on my 550.  The 750 has a single nipple in the center of the swingarm, no fittings on the swingarm bolt.
The center nipple is a standard zerk, just difficult to reach. I use a right angle adapter into a right angle zerk for this application.  See picture of issue I had with this zerk on this rebuild. A couple of hours to disassemble, remove the broken bit, install new zerk, reassemble.

I have been told the best solution on the 750K6 is to buy a swing arm bolt that has been drilled thru with the nipples on the end, I like the idea of changing it over to std. zerks.

What wear did you see in the brake pivot mechanism that lead you to perform this modification?

Early cb750Ks  (mine are all 1969-74) don’t have the fitting on the swing arm. On the old bikes I restore the shaft the pedal mounts to passes through a tube welded to the frame. Other than taking it all apart, there is no way to get any lube in there. That’s why I add the nipple.

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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2021, 02:29:12 AM »


What wear did you see in the brake pivot mechanism that lead you to perform this modification?


Early cb750Ks  (mine are all 1969-74) don’t have the fitting on the swing arm. On the old bikes I restore the shaft the pedal mounts to passes through a tube welded to the frame. Other than taking it all apart, there is no way to get any lube in there. That’s why I add the nipple.

When I took this K6 apart (it had 35,500 miles) I saw no evidence of wear, that is why I'm asking what you have seen. 
« Last Edit: December 18, 2021, 08:47:42 AM by markmyodb »
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2021, 03:19:22 AM »
-"Turismo" type handgrips. These are swelled in the middle: they really improve throttle feel and reduce fatigue on long trips.
- Vetter Windjammer I (betcha can't find one of these!) of hand-laid fiberglass, with ABS Lowers and in cold weather, the up-draft stopper. Added Pop-Vent windshield.
- Krauser removeable saddlebags (from a wrecked 1970s BMW) that are not on it unless touring. My setup has the luggage rack, too, and some stabilizing brackets from it to the taillight mounts to stop handling input from heavy loads in the tour-trunk, which is from (I think) Pacifica, circa 1982.
- Handmade seat on a flexible aluminum pan. The seat is custom-contoured to me in front (and lowered 1.5" from OEM) and my wife's legs in back. This removes the rubber blocks to the frame under your butt, letting the whole seat pan flex a bit on bigger bumps. The foam came from a Yamaha Venture, circa 1982, and it and the cover custom-fitted and made by...me!
- Transistor Ignition with Security Switch.
- Drilled/tapped fork caps to install air forks. Works wonderfully! I run 3-4 PSI unloaded or up to 10 PSI with heaviest loads.
- Teflon-coated front fork seals (starting to wear out) for less stiction.
- ORCA (Mulholland) rear shocks.
- Steering damper (just installed 2019), made by one of our own: an excellent addition!
- Head is ported, chambers were  hemi'd in 2016 and head/cylinders decked from there to restore 9:1 compression, slight flycut augmentations into the intake sides of the pistons (just in case...). Head chambers were all matched to 22.5cc in the 2016 top-end mods. Intake valves are polished. Oil jets were drilled out 0.002" oversize to slightly increase oil flow to top end in hot city traffic riding.
- Installed 750K4 cam in 2013 rebuild to improve torque at 4500 RPM and allow use of lower-octane gas more often.
- Headlight Switch Saver Relay kit (K2 style).
- Keyswitch Saver Relay kit (so I can install a Tourmaster/Chinko keyswitch if necessary, has a Honda version aboard now).
- Modified Fuse to ATC type. (K2 only has 1 fuse.)
- Diamond XDL drive chain, running tip-trimmed sprockets front and rear for increaed smoothness and less need to lube things (per my book's notes).
- Bronze swingarm bushings (I built them) with new collar for 0.0004" clearance, circa 2008.

About to get: new wheel bearings (SKF brand) all around, this winter.

Great list!

I have one of your blade fuse upgrades, Thanks for prompt service.

I did the swing arm bushings in 2008 also.  Prepped it and had a local machine shop make the bushings, press them in. I had to use a brake cylinder hone to do the final assembly.  I checked the swing arm during this rebuild, no more than 0.001 to 0.002 inches of lost motion at the wheel shaft mount. I believe this to still be in the 0.0005" inch range at the bushings.

I have the steering damper mount from a member here also. Going to put it on once I figure out which damper I want.

I put a key switch bypass for power to the coils on a '67 CB450 cafe in 2015, is this what you have done?

I would be interested in the testing of altered sprockets, As an mechanical engineer I've understood the tooth design of sprockets promoted gradual engagement as the chain progresses into the sprockets, increasing smoothness and reducing noise.  It would be interesting to see what testing shows when the tips are removed.

I've run Diamond pre-stretched chains since 1975 when I put one on my 500four. I believe they failed prematurely because I did not fully understand what 3/4" slack in the chain meant back then. I was replacing them every 7 or 8K miles.   I had 17,000 miles on the Diamond chain installed in 2008 on this 750. I switched to a X ring chain for this build after reading that they have less friction. Do you believe they are still in business?

I bet your motor pulls like a Massey Ferguson tractor with those modifications!

 
 
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2021, 06:19:40 AM »
Blade fuse type on all bikes I own. Transistorized ignition on one CB750K1.
Voltage indicator.
Tapered head bearings
Bronze swingarm bushings.
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2021, 08:44:51 AM »
All my bikes I have restored got bronze swing arm bushings, solid state regular, solid state rectifier, tapered steering head bearings, sealed wheel bearings, LED lights (H4 headlight), sealed lead-acid battery, electronic ignitions. Most got new wiring harnesses as well.
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2021, 10:00:01 AM »
A frame kit is one of the vital improvements.
I have lost the count about how many times I have had great use of it on my K6. Cyl-head-cam swaps. Even engine pulls without help when top end is removed.
 Just swing it out with a strap.

A few times on my K2.

It really sucks that engine has to be pulled out of the frame to lift valve cover without a frame kit.
Change head gasket and other small things is so much easier.

Both my bikes have Franks weldless frame kit.
I have a new Gordons cut&weld-on kit.
I do not know what to do with my 3rd CB750 bitsa still in parts all over the garage.

Maybe forum member Scottly will continue to make the weldless frame kit clamps?
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CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2021, 01:26:09 PM »
  70 diecast, I mostly undid/removed things that someone else thought was cool. I re-installed the frame tubes with a Gordon's kit. I installed a Pamco ign. because I got one free. H4 headlight, Randakks grips, I got an old swingarm with steel bushings, it is tight and I cut grease grooves in the sleeve. Lester mags but I'm gathering old spoke rims for it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2021, 01:48:39 PM »
Hondaman fuses
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Drilled emulsifier tubes per Hondaman
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2021, 03:57:42 PM »
All good stuff, but maybe should have had a better description of "little"... :)

Some of the items y'all have done clearly show how dedicated and skilled this group is. It will be great if enough of these old machines can continue to 2069.  Maybe some members just getting started riding will find these bikes as rewarding to own and tinker with as this group does.

I digress,  Now back to "little"; Both my classics are as rebuilt & restored as I plan on making them. so I've been combing the magazines & online sellers for additive items like the DVM, phone mount, chrome covers for gauges, pressure gauges etc. I have a nice rear rack and backrest that fits both machines. Made the backrest myself in 2008. It is Bloodwood, notched to engage the rack, held in place with a bungee. Pics attached.

Not sure I will ever need to rebuild either of my classic bikes.  The Goldwing is my current choice for very long rides and for two up riding. IMHO it is tough to beat. PIA to maintain though.

I think I will be taking the 750K6 for our month in Ft Myers Florida in January. We will be in our RV.  My traveling partner is bringing his CB650C, mid 1980's I think. 

Wife had her knee replaced in October so her riding is doubtful.  However I will bring the rack & backrest just in case.



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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2021, 06:52:11 PM »

I have the steering damper mount from a member here also. Going to put it on once I figure out which damper I want.

I put a key switch bypass for power to the coils on a '67 CB450 cafe in 2015, is this what you have done?
Not quite: the Keyswitch Saver arrangement uses the keyswitch to turn on a relay, which carries the bike's loads in place of the keyswitch. The [now very common] Chinese-made keyswitches we are seeing are patterened after the similar unit from the CB350 series bikes, which had an 8 amp load. The wires and internal contacts are sized at about 9 amps, and are not silver-plated like Honda's used to be, so the [also undersized] wires get so hot that I have seen several of them melt the Black wire right off the switch - which is exactly what happened to me in traffic one hot day in 2007. The 750 runs 10 amps with the K2 setup, and more with the K3/later versions, and often even more from things like halogen headlights (like mine).
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I would be interested in the testing of altered sprockets, As an mechanical engineer I've understood the tooth design of sprockets promoted gradual engagement as the chain progresses into the sprockets, increasing smoothness and reducing noise.  It would be interesting to see what testing shows when the tips are removed.

I've run Diamond pre-stretched chains since 1975 when I put one on my 500four. I believe they failed prematurely because I did not fully understand what 3/4" slack in the chain meant back then. I was replacing them every 7 or 8K miles.   I had 17,000 miles on the Diamond chain installed in 2008 on this 750. I switched to a X ring chain for this build after reading that they have less friction. Do you believe they are still in business?
Diamond sells the XDL series chains today, in place of the original XD version. Recently I bought 2 NOS XD chains and 2 NOS XDL chains on eBay from a vendor who found them in his inventory. Diamond also offer a slightly less strong version (dual stakes instead of 4), called their Powersport chain, since about 2004 or so, good on smaller bikes like the 500/550. I do see quite a few of these on the 750, too.

The 'magic' of the XD series chains is in their then-original (1969-1970) design: the rollers are hard as nails, and they have 0.004"-0.008" clearance between them and their pins. They are also narrower than the 'normal' rollers by 0.030" in the 530 size so the lube can more easily enter the interface by the sideplates, to the pins. The sideplates are heat-treated and shot-peened on their outer sides with 0.0005" undersized holes for a hot-only press-fit assembly, and then the pins are quad-staked on the outsides of the sideplates (the Powersport has just 2 stakes). The master link must be installed using an extra (and older style, loose masterlink plate is easier) sideplate and often vice-grips at first, as it is the strongest masterlink made and it prefectly matches the link dimensions of the links, which no other chain can claim. So, you cannot 'feel' the masterlink hitting the sprockets, which is always apparent on other chains after 1000 miles or so. After 1000 miles it is possible to reassemble the sideplate using the pliers in the Honda toolkit.

The sprocket details are outlined in my book, if you have a copy: today we can't get the oversized-base-circle sprockets (unless you stumble onto a genuine Honda sprocket from pre-1996 or so) that made such a stunning power and wear improvement, circa 1971 and later. Having its base circle made 0.5mm larger to [greatl] improve the torque transfer, over 120 degrees of the sprocket instead of the usual 60 degrees of the SAE design, made the tooth tips also shortened by that amount - this accomplished multiple things, most important being the 120 degrees of power transfer. By shortening the teeth today by 1mm or so it will greatly reduce the collision of the tooth tip and roller at entry/exit of the chain on the sprockets, particularly if you have the improved loose-roller versions patterned after the XDL. Most of the better chains today use this model, except in the X-ring or O-ring chains: they are still in the Stone Age of Chains as regards this important minor change, and this is partly responsible for their large power loss - not the O-rings as is popularly claimed.

Using the Honda sprockets and the XD and XDL chains, I obtained 40k chain miles (before 1% stretch) and more than 90k rear sprocket miles on my own bike. I run about 10k miles on the front sprocket, then flip it and run that far again before replacing them. That's the kind of difference this pairing makes, so it's worth the effort to chase down the parts, IMHO.

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I bet your motor pulls like a Massey Ferguson tractor with those modifications!
It sure runs smoother, cooler, quieter, and pulls harder at higher speeds! After I broke it in I surprised myself one morning at a freeway onramp (the first one I happened to hit after almost 1000 miles of in-town and local putting) when I found myself in triple-digit speeds at what used to be the same throttle grabs-and-shifts into 3rd gear. I almost ran into the back of a car in the process, even though he was doing at least 80 MPH. After that day I went to a 19T front sprocket for a month to tame my 50-year-old '750 reflexes' while I re-learned how to ride my old friend. That made 5th gear into an overdrive, putting me at 70 MPH in 4th before using it. That mod required altering the rubber cushion on the post behind the sprocket (on the sprocket cover) because even with the teeth trimmed a full -1mm, they still hit it.
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2021, 07:07:50 PM »

- Teflon-coated front fork seals (starting to wear out) for less stiction.

Mark, where do you find these Teflon-coated low-stiction seals?
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2021, 06:03:16 AM »
Thanks for the detail Mark, as I said amazing level of knowledge in those who keep these classics running. I read your book in 2010 or thereabouts when I first got this machine. Like I said good stuff.

To make sure you understand my thoughts on your sprocket mods:

Changing the base circle of tooth generation will certainly alter the engagement action of the tension side of the chain/sprocket.  It can also change the tooth form; netting a change in the tooth depth.  When you trim a "standard" sprocket you are delaying/increasing the beginning/end  of tooth loading as the chain is pulled over/released from the sprocket.  Goes against what Dr. Keyseleski taught us in our power transmission course. He taught it is the gradual loading of teeth that makes a PT device smoother, you can see how cutting the tip would delay/speed the engagement action. This is why I asked for data. 

Thanks for the discussion. Good for bringing out old memories. Dr. Key was the best;  he left a job designing oil drilling platforms to take up teaching. Said he was pleased not to lose sleep over how well things had been welded.  Gave me 440 of 450 points on my design of a 200 HP tire shredder gearbox. I still have the drawings and the paper.  Like I said good memories.

Amazing sprocket life, you certainly get a lot more seat time than anyone I know.   

 
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2021, 06:53:09 PM »

- Teflon-coated front fork seals (starting to wear out) for less stiction.

Mark, where do you find these Teflon-coated low-stiction seals?

Ah, the question of the year (well, 2 years now, since I started looking last February...). They used to be advertised in the motorcycle magazines when those were worthwhile: today the web seems to have usurped those ads, or maybe China the vendors by selling cheap seals? Dunno...I'm still looking for them. The ones in it now are almost 15: I installed them August 2005. I got them at a local store called Motorcycle Parts Center, which sold Kenz and Leslie stuff, amongst other local warehousing brands. I'm wondering now if K&L is still getting them?
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2021, 07:02:11 PM »
Not a recent article, but good info:

https://www.cycleworld.com/2014/11/04/replacing-original-equipment-fork-seals-with-low-stiction-alternatives/

It seems that these are available for the smaller bore dirtbikes with 35mm forks, but I can't seem to reference all of the relevant dimensions to determine which will fit a CB750 or CB550, it's late and my search-fu is weak.

https://vi.raptor.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=133133779496&category=178039&pm=1&ds=0&t=1594926730000&ver=0&cspheader=1
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2021, 07:21:05 PM »
One indispensable upgrade for riding in the slop and another convenient one when riding all day -
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2021, 07:28:06 PM »
Thanks for the detail Mark, as I said amazing level of knowledge in those who keep these classics running. I read your book in 2010 or thereabouts when I first got this machine. Like I said good stuff.

To make sure you understand my thoughts on your sprocket mods:

Changing the base circle of tooth generation will certainly alter the engagement action of the tension side of the chain/sprocket.  It can also change the tooth form; netting a change in the tooth depth.  When you trim a "standard" sprocket you are delaying/increasing the beginning/end  of tooth loading as the chain is pulled over/released from the sprocket.  Goes against what Dr. Keyseleski taught us in our power transmission course. He taught it is the gradual loading of teeth that makes a PT device smoother, you can see how cutting the tip would delay/speed the engagement action. This is why I asked for data. 

Thanks for the discussion. Good for bringing out old memories. Dr. Key was the best;  he left a job designing oil drilling platforms to take up teaching. Said he was pleased not to lose sleep over how well things had been welded.  Gave me 440 of 450 points on my design of a 200 HP tire shredder gearbox. I still have the drawings and the paper.  Like I said good memories.


Good job! I had one professor like that, and ten years later an Engineering Director who laid off an entire engineering group (in the oilfield) except for...me. I was more than puzzled, and a little scared at the time, but I went to ask him why he did that: he said that in his opinion, I could do what all of the others did, by myself. In the 8 years following that day, when the company wanted something new from Engineering, they never once asked me "how much will it cost?", only, "When can we have it?". With that kind of backing, you can do amazing things. ;)

About my modern tooth-trimming practice: some time [decades] ago I discovered that the extra-loose rollers of these improved-clearance chains were 'tripping' over the next tooth, noticeably on ASME standard sprockets and less so on the Honda versions. The Honda versions had 2mm less tooth-tip OD than the ASME standard ones, and their bottom (base circle) was bigger by about 1mm. It was REALLY noticeable on the 17T front sprockets, which first caught my attention when working on rear-wheel alignment stuff one hot summer day: I was trying to reduce the noise that comes from non-parallel sprocket pairs because...my bike's frame is bent, and the rear wheel is offset laterally by 3mm between the front of the engine and the rear axle. (This came from a memorable accident in Sept. 1972.) By rotating the wheel with a then-cleaned-out (with solvents) chain so the lube would not mask the noises and movements, I was experimenting when I noticed that the roller would lift upward as the link entered the tooth, and then the roller would drop as it moved toward to the bottom of the valley, but it would then move back up again as the tooth rotated further. It was much worse, of course, when I subbed in a worn sprocket (with slightly 'hooked' teeth), but it did not do it with the (new) OEM Honda sprocket, at all. It was then that I measured (because I had finally bought a 15" caliper!) the tooth-tip to tooth-tip outer dimension of the OEM sprockets and discovered that not only had Honda reduced the base circle, they had shortened the tooth tips by 2mm across the sprocket (1mm on each tooth). So, I took a brand-new JT sprocket and ground off 1mm from every tooth and installed it, to discover that the rollers only rose once, at the moment the bottom of the tooth lifted them to engage the chain. I then modified a Sunstar rear sprocket by trimming off each tooth tip 1mm to make it quieter, which worked. BUT-this also was how I came to discover that the Sunstar's as-cast sprocket teeth, with their gritty-looking finish, will quickly loose that grit from the sprocket, directly into the chain, where it EATS the rollers by applying, literally, a chain-lube-based equivalent of a valve-grinding-like compound from the unfinished sprocket teeth, directly into the chain. That's where my recommendation came from, however unpopular, of running for 100 miles on the OLD chain with NEW sprockets before installing the NEW chain. It ruined my almost-new XDL chain by jamming all the rollers with that metal grit... :(
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2021, 07:29:24 PM »
One indispensable upgrade for riding in the slop and another convenient one when riding all day -

Oh, yeah, thanks for reminding me, Ofreen!
- I have a (homemade) rear mud flap on my front wheel, too. It REALLY helps keep the engine clean.
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2021, 12:45:28 AM »


 I then modified a Sunstar rear sprocket by trimming off each tooth tip 1mm to make it quieter, which worked. BUT-this also was how I came to discover that the Sunstar's as-cast sprocket teeth, with their gritty-looking finish, will quickly loose that grit from the sprocket, directly into the chain, where it EATS the rollers by applying, literally, a chain-lube-based equivalent of a valve-grinding-like compound from the unfinished sprocket teeth, directly into the chain. That's where my recommendation came from, however unpopular, of running for 100 miles on the OLD chain with NEW sprockets before installing the NEW chain. It ruined my almost-new XDL chain by jamming all the rollers with that metal grit... :(

I used Sunstar sprockets on my 550 restoration....in 2018. That new RK chain might be scrap by now!  I have been cleaning it every few hundred miles and noted the chain was pretty contaminated, this is certainly a possible explanation.

I like that throttle lock Ofreen. Cut my right hand 10 years ago in a table saw accident, it gets stiff during rides.  Thanks
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Re: What "little" upgrades have you made to your SOHC machine?
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2021, 04:15:29 AM »
Tapered head bearings. Never noticed a difference, btw.
Koni rear shocks
A luggage carrier. At the time it was an exact fit for the CB500/750. BTW, recently I bought a new, better than original, rear chrome rail (BUMPER, REAR) from CMSNL. I can now alternate carrier and rail within 10 minutes. My bike will be original most of the time. For holiday trips I will fit the luggage carrier.
Voxbell horns (which need a relay and an extra 15A fuse)
A homebuilt transistorized ignition
Modest crashbars, back then an exact fit for the CB500/550
Clear lenses for the front indicators in combination with colourless bulbs which nonetheless show amber when flashing. A matter of taste.
Red lenses for the rear indicators. Also a matter of taste.
A simple rearrangement of just two wires in the headlamp bucket to arrive at a DRL, which allows me to ride with instrument lights and tail light extinct during the day. I had an old switch lying around, so the only cost was € 2,- for the 21 Watts Ba9s halogen bulb.
And - another matter of taste - removal of those show boat side reflectors. I could have chosen for the white side reflectors, some early CB350Fs had in Germany, but I preferred the simple crossheads my model originally had in France (CB500K2-F). So now, except for the indicator idiot light, all amber plastic has been removed. :D
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