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I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« on: January 08, 2022, 09:05:30 PM »
looks like a good idea and its around 120 something for the analog version and 118 for the LED. What does everyone else think?

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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2022, 12:44:30 AM »
Can't you think of anything else to spend your money on? If you really must spend money, that is... Holy moly, this, IMO, is about the most nonsensical product for our bikes, you can come up with. Maybe you have missed it, but all our bikes have a reserve and a tripmeter one can zero at every tankstop. Look at it, it involves labour, it can fail and it might not be as accurate as you fancied...
It's a product in the D.O.U category. Like all products it has to be manufactured, shipped, marketed and advertised for. It's a waste, targeted for a market that is addicted to consumption of, of... no matter what. If you ever wonder, how it can be, that only 4% of the world's population manages to squander 25% of the raw materials, there's your answer.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2022, 12:49:36 AM »
Well said Deltarider. Are we now catering to the lowest common denominator? Same with all this crap on new cars; people don't know how to drive without supreme electronic intervention.
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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2022, 01:35:24 AM »
will i work? sounds like it should (unless when it fails, of course).
is it a good idea? well if you're into unnecessary clutter then yes - otherwise it's a waste of money, time, material, cockpit space and the rider's attention.

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2022, 06:18:25 AM »
Looks like a fun idea. I'm not going to go hissy about it, but personally I don't need it.
First, I think I have better uses for €118.00 plus shipping & duty, the calibration procedure has to be a complicated nightmare, and mounting the display would be challenging.
And my 400 consistently needs a fillup at 100 miles so the trip meter is my fuel gauge: sometimes it's on reserve by then but usually not. I have yet to actually run dry on reserve. If someone twists the reset and I don't know what it was at (I have children...) I just top off the tank and reset to zero or wait until it needs reserve.
If your trip meter is broken or you installed a digital dash with a less obvious display then OK this would be pretty cool.

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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2022, 06:31:44 AM »
Biggest problem here is we only have a quarter of the petrol stations we had in the 70s. So the most useful tool is mobile to find station if in coverage.

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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2022, 07:26:05 AM »
It seems cool I would not use it for my bikes.
I am interested to see how it would work on a CB though.
I always liked that Asahi Denso fuel gauge even though it has been said its unreliable.

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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2022, 08:09:43 AM »
Can't you think of anything else to spend your money on? If you really must spend money, that is... Holy moly, this, IMO, is about the most nonsensical product for our bikes, you can come up with. Maybe you have missed it, but all our bikes have a reserve and a tripmeter one can zero at every tankstop. Look at it, it involves labour, it can fail and it might not be as accurate as you fancied...
It's a product in the D.O.U category. Like all products it has to be manufactured, shipped, marketed and advertised for. It's a waste, targeted for a market that is addicted to consumption of, of... no matter what. If you ever wonder, how it can be, that only 4% of the world's population manages to squander 25% of the raw materials, there's your answer.
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2022, 08:43:10 AM »
The problem I see is the sensor, you are measuring a very small amount of weight in that column of gas. The sensor would have to pretty robust to be mounted on the bike with vibration /heat.
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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2022, 12:35:38 PM »
Can't you think of anything else to spend your money on? If you really must spend money, that is... Holy moly, this, IMO, is about the most nonsensical product for our bikes, you can come up with. Maybe you have missed it, but all our bikes have a reserve and a tripmeter one can zero at every tankstop. Look at it, it involves labour, it can fail and it might not be as accurate as you fancied...
It's a product in the D.O.U category. Like all products it has to be manufactured, shipped, marketed and advertised for. It's a waste, targeted for a market that is addicted to consumption of, of... no matter what. If you ever wonder, how it can be, that only 4% of the world's population manages to squander 25% of the raw materials, there's your answer.
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2022, 02:11:08 PM »
It's good to see people like delta are still around. Instead of offering help, he gives a jerky opinion.

OP, if you want to try something like this, have at it. If it doesn't work, you haven't lost much. There are times when riding that a gas station might now be close by, especially when you might be in an unfamiliar area. Knowing your fuel level without having to stop the engine, could be handy. This is in no way worse then people putting on a cellphone mount and charge port.

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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2022, 03:48:19 PM »
It's good to see people like delta are still around. Instead of offering help, he gives a jerky opinion.

OP, if you want to try something like this, have at it. If it doesn't work, you haven't lost much. There are times when riding that a gas station might now be close by, especially when you might be in an unfamiliar area. Knowing your fuel level without having to stop the engine, could be handy. This is in no way worse then people putting on a cellphone mount and charge port.
I feel that is a little unfair to Delta. I've been riding these bikes since 1973, and know that when I go to reserve I've got, at best, 50 miles to gas up. Never failed to pass a gas station within that restriction. As others have pointed out, it's the OP's choice, but I for one have better things to spend my money on. Sure can't see it adding value to the bike, if that's an issue.
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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2022, 04:23:49 PM »
Thanks Shtonecb500,  I like it for my vw trike.  No fuel guage, no trip meter, and the numbers on the odometer are so small and far away I can only read them while riding in the best sun angle.  I put the fillup mileage on my phone, but that's in my pocket while moving.  I've been wondering about a guage that didn't require cutting a hole in the tank, and this might be it.  Especially if it has even a little accuracy.
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2022, 07:26:39 PM »
Kevnz, maybe if the comment hadn't been so condescending, fine. However, it was. Let me ask a question. Do you only ride in the area you know, or do you like to occasionally go new places? Sure, a person can pull over and stop the engine, open up the tank, and slosh it around to get an idea. Or a person could have a gauge and glance and just keep going.
So, it might not be of value to you, or even most riders, but I doubt it would devalue a bike. Besides, I am pretty sure others have made changes to their bikes that have even less value, but the bottom line, it's their bike. And as we know, we ride for the emotional experience, not the resale value.

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2022, 10:28:40 PM »
Eldar,
I have no desire to step into someone else's fight, so my apologies. But if I'm going on a long ride, I gas up, reset the tripmeter and know that I've got 100 miles, give or take on main. If I'm getting near reserve or am not sure how far away the next gas station is, I'll top up and know I've got another 150 miles in me. Hardly rocket science and it's not failed me yet. I think the OP asked for opinions; that's what he got. If he only wanted positive ones, that's called affirmation. I think Delta's point is and he can correct me if I'm wrong, is this is pointless consumerism, and maybe it's time people started thinking about what's important in life, not what's merely convenient. Possibly a discussion for a different forum. I'll stay out of it now, don't want to make enemies.
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Re: I might try this fuel system on my bike, anyone else try this?
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2022, 06:35:36 AM »
No worries if some of ya dont like the idea and trash talk, we can all keep it light. Im considering an option like this because my buddy and I are going to trek back out to Yellowstone  and through wyoming and what not in the summer. The bmw I rode last time had a much larger tank and I was able to ride as long as my buddy who had larger newer GS. Anyway, there were a couple times where the gas station off the pony express was miles off our path and the 750 tank is much smaller. The bmw was 5.8 gallons. I wont be able to mindlessly ride this time and I get distracted by the mountains ( while our bikes were 40 years apart, they were getting the same range), so I wouldn't mind an indicator if im gonna be on out on the road for a month or longer again.

So, in short. Im willing to spend 120 bucks on a system that doesnt look terrible to give me more peace of mind while im out in the middle of nowhere.
This is not for me to ride from Detroit to Chicago or my city riding, its just meant to get installed on my touring bike. Another thing, Im not excited to put this on bike, its ugly, it adds pain points to my fuel line and system, but like i said...just looking for added peace of mind while out on the road.
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2022, 07:32:40 AM »
I can't help but wonder if a 'sight tube' of sorts could be run off the fuel line beneath the tank with a tee like that? I'm thinking of a straight tube just running upward somewhere outside the tank where you can see it, with a check valve at the top to let air in but not let fuel out. You could even slip a larger diameter clear tube over this line to protect it.  As you fill your tank from dry, place a zip tie at the level for each gallon, then add different color zip ties for half and quarter gallons. If this idea has any merit it could probably be added for under $10.

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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2022, 07:53:03 AM »
 You sound like quite a road warrior Stone. I know you have zipped by Kalamazoo before on some of your long forays. You'll have to take a fuel break here sometime and meet a couple of the local members !  Eric

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2022, 08:12:04 AM »
This forum is about our bikes and - inevitably - about us, so please allow me.
When I read the OP first time, I wondered: is he serious or pulling my leg?
Over the last years, I have seen a range of strange products been advertised for, so I decided to take it serious. If you'll allow me a side step: I can stand on my head for as long as I like, but I will still fail to see how a Motorgadget can be useful for our type of bikes. We have also seen many posts on the replacing of incandescent bulbs by LEDs. One can argue that the old bulb is better noticed, not at least by spreading its light omnidirectional, people will still buy Leds. That's how I became suspicious: maybe there's more here at play and is it the mere buying that gives satisfaction. Could it be that folks are trapped in the socalled D.O.U cycle: Drool - Order - Unbox, which seems to bring 'happiness' to so many these days.
Ever since the mid 70s I have studied human behaviour where it concerns decisions made about buying stuff, me being specialised in persuasive language in advertisements and politics. But the one can't go without the other and you cannot study the manipulative tricks in adds unless you oversee the whole field. It's not just looking at the language and the tricks played; you have to study the whole interaction in a consumer market. Let me limit myself to just two oldies. I cannot present these works as scientific, because they aren't, but they're easy to read by anyone. It's also to honour these American gentlemen for being trail blazers. Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard, is a book most of you will know. It was first published in 1957. The second is Ernst Dichter's The Strategy of Desire which followed in 1960. I admit both are oldies, but they're very accessible and still provide a good read today. Nowadays Motivational Research is carried out much more advanced: it involves electrodes to measure the brain's activity, whilst monitoring the release of happiness hormones. Gradually we have learned more and more about how we react to stimiluses presented in adds and how we experience the chain of events which starts at the click to order a product, followed by the happy awaiting and resulting in an almost Christmas day like excitement of unboxing. We now know that we - better said: our brain - can drool like a labrador. Recently we discovered, that, even when a product in practice turns out to be of little value if at all, our brain will still remember that process: click, await, receive and unbox, as a chain of happiness. The more this cycle is repeated, the more one is at risk to become addicted and some people need to order stuff almost on a daily basis to fight of depression. The industry knows all this and is clever to hand you a 'good' reason (like brightness in K or the number of lumens) to 'help' make a decision. They know you prefer to be helped over the threshold with a 'rational argument' to silence possible other voices deep inside you. As a reward for your 'rational' decision, you'll receive 'a present' and then be able to unbox something brand new, which for some is a joy in itself.
Now am I criticising capitalism for this? No, I'm not. Capitalism is a Dutch invention and I am Dutch ;D. In the year1602, the first stock exchange in the world was established in Amsterdam, which event is worldwide acknowledged as the start of capitalism. To give you an idea: with the thus created funds, Dutch have been able to buy - not steal - Manhattan from the Indians to found New Amsterdam, later renamed by the Brits as New York. No, what I do criticise however is its counterpart, consumerism which critic by me, some see as blasphemy. If people continue to buy products out of addiction, stuff they don't need, it's going to tax the planet in a dramatic way. More and more products will end up in garage sales, a typical American phenomenon, which reflects the vomiting in an eating disorder like bulimia.
It's a hard fact that 4-5% of the world's population (US) consumes - some say squander - 25% of the earth's raw materials. It's also a hard fact, that the US economy is for two thirds a consumer driven economy. The US can allow themselves to be in that position, as long as the dollar remains the world currency, which status provides unlimited privileges. In the meanwhile the Chinese sit and wait, whilst the rest of us watch the Americans being eaten alive and it's not a pleasant sight...
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2022, 10:04:59 AM »
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trek back out to Yellowstone  and through wyoming and what not

I use my trip odometer as my fuel gauge. My CB750K1 reliably gets 48 mpg. On my 47  100+ mile rides the last two years, all documented in Franks challenge, I have yet to touch reserve. My manual says tank capacity is 4.7gal, I have never checked that.  48 x 4.7 = 225 miles range.
 I don’t think there is anyplace in the continental US where the gas stops come close to that. Across Wyoming I remember a warning sign “No Services Next xx Miles” on I80, so we stopped and filled up. We stopped on the Indian res in Arizona on the way to Four Corners where there wasn’t much except miles to go before I sleep - 50 years ago. I don’t know what’s out there today, but I’d expect much more.
 A CB750 in decent tune with stock gearing shouldn’t have any trouble with range.

Here is maybe a helpful article:
https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i12567-k4729703-The_16_longest_stretches_without_services-Road_Trips.html
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2022, 11:05:00 AM »
Shtone is a pal, and he’s going where I’ve been, and he spoke of his concern, and I support him in his endeavors.

I think the product is a nice idea - on paper. I hope it works as well as the concept.
Trying to fit and calibrate that sensor below the petcock and above the carbs will be no fun.

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2022, 06:15:59 PM »
Kevnz, perhaps op was looking for opinions, but I'm sure you can agree an opinion doesn't need to be rude, belittling, ect. I do think op was looking for constructive opinions, and if people had done something like this. I totally get where he is going from. Sometimes, a person enters new territory, and while they may have gassed up, it is easy to take roads that may not take a person by a gas station often. Maybe it isn't as much of a problem down south, but I know in a lot of the northern states, it isn't uncommon for a town to have 1 station, that is closed. But, as another person said, if a gauge wasn't handy, they wouldn't be installed in virtually all vehicles. I won't argue with you either. You've been perfectly sociable. I've tried to be likewise.

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2022, 12:15:17 AM »
Now that Schtone has explained his reasoning it sounds more sensible. My VFR800 has a gauge, the VFR750 before it only a reserve tap. Both work perfectly well, but there is no doubt the gauge is more convenient; no need to totally fill the tank and reset tripmeter, do calculations, it's all there on the gauge. There's a difference between convenience and necessity, but whatever works for you is fine by me, as if you need my approval. :) Something that hasn't been mentioned is the possibility of adapting the gauge system from an existing bike, might be easier and more reliable\accurate and possibly cheaper. Just a thought.
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2022, 03:26:00 AM »
I've ran out of gas a couple of times. Two times in a car which both had fuel gauges (once in a tunnel which stop has cost me more than just the gas afterwards ;D). On my bike also a couple of times, but then I knew I was near the limit and no gauge would have saved me. Never had to walk my bike though. Leaned it over to the left and the gas that still was in the RH side of the tank went over to the LH side. At least half a litre, is my estimation. With that extra 'reserve' I have always made it to the gas station. Don't you love simple solutions? Besides, I wonder what accuracy one can expect from a gauge, when it deals with the last two or three litres...
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2022, 04:14:10 AM »
well it can have its use, i don't think that needs to be debated.

but if shtone asks me what i think... i do think it's not strictly necessary and clutters the bike. the nice thing about these old CBs is that they are so basic. but then i'm also guilty of putting a satnav on mine which many on here will call a sin. after all, paper maps work or you could even just stop and ask someone  ;)

maybe for me the satnav together with trip meter and reserve replaces the fuel gauge: if i get anxious for fuel, i can just check where the petrol stations are and at what distance, and pick one to ride to.