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Offline redbaron

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Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« on: January 21, 2022, 06:28:41 AM »
I am rebuilding a 1976 Honda 550F and have the original Keihin carbs.  I also have a set of Mikuni carbs that I know nothing about. They look like they fit the 550F and I can't find any markings ref model number on the Mikuni's.  Which set of carbs is best or more preferred for these 550's?

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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 06:51:41 AM »
Just me but I would use the carbs designed for the bike. Are you building a racer or some other type of custom ?

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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 07:05:28 AM »
I am rebuilding and restoring back to about original.  I just wanna know if the Mikuni's are thought to be a better carb for the bike.

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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 07:10:35 AM »
Never heard of a set fitted and definately NOT standard
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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2022, 07:11:05 AM »
The best carbs for the stock bike are the stock carbs intended for it. Of course a modified bike might benefit from alternative carbs, depending on its intended mission.

Honda designed and built an excellent all around street bike in the CB550F.   It wasn’t the best race bike, or dirt bike, or tourer for coast to cost hauls (although it could be pressed to do the latter, if the rider could tolerate it).

The stock carbs are tuned and jetted to match flow characteristics of the stock exhaust and induction.  Change way from stock exhaust and induction, and expect to also change the carb set up in some way, to return the engine to stock performance.  If you intend to race a 40-50 year old bike with modern bikes in the same cc class well maybe mikunis will help with that, after experimenting with internal jet and fuel metering adjustments.  Access to a dyno would speed that alteration considerably.

You didn’t say if your mikunis have a larger throat diameter.  If not, I cannot see much help for a power improvement.  Especially if there is no corresponding change to valve train and cam.  If you are changing those, too, in order to win races, then adding 50 hp to the engine will stress it far more than original expectations and you will then want 2 or more back up engines as substitute for durability.

But, for a good fun street bike, the fastest and easiest way to achieve that goal is to restore to stock configuration.

If your goal is to impress passers by with your prowess to fit originally mismatched parts into an operating, if not well running, machine, then go ahead and adapt the mikunis,  as you will learn quite a lot about your machine details and requirements along the way.  But, know that it will only be “better”, if your mission goal is different from what Honda intended.

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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 07:34:53 AM »
I am rebuilding and restoring back to about original.  I just wanna know if the Mikuni's are thought to be a better carb for the bike.

Use the Keihin's, you will avoid many headaches trying to get the Mikunis to fit and run properly.

Let me know if you want to sell the Mikunis, I run them on my Kawasaki's.
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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 08:37:42 AM »
Photos of the Mikuni's

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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 09:16:14 AM »
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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2022, 12:10:30 PM »
Quality-wise, I doubt the mikunis are any better. Would these work any better than the stocks? Without being able to similarly jet, then do a flow test, I can't say for sure, however I doubt they would work any better.
Also, unless the spacing is the same as stock, with the same size openings, getting manifold rubbers to fit would be very difficult.

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Re: Keihin or Mikuni Carbs?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2022, 09:42:18 AM »
With the Keihins you know the correct jetting and setup because that is what came on the bike. With the Mikunis you are going to have to work that out on your own. There is no upside to this headache, especially on a stock restoration.
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