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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #175 on: July 26, 2024, 02:45:41 PM »
When I painted the race car fender and bumper, the shop I bought the primer/paint from recommended 600 wet. I was stingy on the paint, so #800 would have been better. If you are a good painter and get lots on there, #600 should be fine.

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #176 on: July 26, 2024, 03:06:25 PM »
Thanks for the feedback  :)
To sand it down to 800 grit after 600 would be a minimal effort, so that sounds very reasonable.

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #177 on: July 26, 2024, 03:17:09 PM »

Started by weighing the slings and they weighed 0.3 kilos.

If you press the "tare" button, it will zero the scale so you don't have to subtract the weight of the sling.
I used 400 grit for the final primer sanding before paint.
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #178 on: July 31, 2024, 12:45:31 AM »
Parts are now sanded with 600 grit wet, and as they will be painted in solid colors (no metallic etc.) I think that will do fine.
Wanted to see if my "elcheapo" laser would work to lay out the lines for the graphics straight, and it will do just fine  :)

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #179 on: July 31, 2024, 11:51:22 PM »
Nice! What kind of paint are you using?
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #180 on: August 02, 2024, 12:44:46 AM »
Nice! What kind of paint are you using?

So far it's just a two part epoxy primer.
As for the paint I haven't decided yet, will have a look around for what's available when the summer is over.

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #181 on: August 25, 2024, 11:05:29 PM »
A temporary paint booth is coming together.
Will be sealed in plastic on all sides and be ventilated through the filters in the upper left and lower right corners.
I´ll attach a hose from the shop vacuum to the lower filter, and that will hopefully take care of most of the overspray.
Seriously ghetto setup, but it will hopefully keep the painted parts free from debris and everything else in the shop paint free  :)

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #182 on: August 25, 2024, 11:17:29 PM »
Any danger of explosive vapor issues on exhaust? I've seen box fans (20 x 20in) being used on input with dual intake filters forcing air into the booth. Being inside I would hate to have a spark from a fan cause a serious issue in the exhaust air.

I've seen guys build them as knockdown panels that bolt together to form the paint booth. When not needed the unbolted panels stack up against a wall or are tied up to suspend from ceiling with light strips suspended below them.
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #183 on: August 26, 2024, 03:11:09 AM »
My plan is to place the shop vac outside in the open air, and just run the vacuum hose to the lower filter.
I guess a spark in the vacuum motor could ignite the gasses, but at least most of the dangerous gasses will be sucked out from the garage and be released on the outside.

Perhaps someone on the forum has a better idea?
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #184 on: August 26, 2024, 10:20:02 AM »
Possibly a larger CFM exhaust fan with larger ducting hose?
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #185 on: August 27, 2024, 01:33:26 AM »
I dont think the CFM-capacity of the shopvac will be an issue, it will do the job.
The question is rather if the flammable gasses will ignite when it passes the vac...

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #186 on: August 27, 2024, 10:56:53 AM »
I dont think the CFM-capacity of the shopvac will be an issue, it will do the job.
The question is rather if the flammable gasses will ignite when it passes the vac...

Larger fan w/ slow rpms:less heat.
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #187 on: August 28, 2024, 12:19:46 AM »
I dont think the CFM-capacity of the shopvac will be an issue, it will do the job.
The question is rather if the flammable gasses will ignite when it passes the vac...

Larger fan w/ slow rpms:less heat.

Well... heat will not be a problem I would say.
A random spark from an electric motor however could be an issue.
But that issue would persist with any size of fan or motor, unless its classified to be able to handle flammable gasses.

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #188 on: August 28, 2024, 12:38:38 AM »
If your intake is the push and vapors cannot escape to rear the driven fan motor you reduce the risk. That was my intent is to ensure you are reducing the risk while generating the most potential while spraying. HVLP gear helps with reduced over spray and it is you would run the Booth's air just prior to and for a short while after spraying. The solvent base is lower in most paints these days and while you will have odir for a while until the paint has evaporated most of the solvents...unless the booth is in your house you will run your air handler until most of the solvent has evaporated.  Having the booth in a garage attached to a house, well, let's hope your garage is well sealed off from the house, these days they generally are...otherwise fumes from pulling cars into garage would be irritating.
You are not going to be painting in cold weather as the temps need to be within range for the media you are spraying.
Just like the protective gear used when spraying paints that are toxic or higher risk. Those paints which are capable of transdermal poisoning you need much greater protective measures.

You can create an explosive atmosphere using flour and graineries (silos) have to protect because of dust from grain.

Just making you aware to consider your risks was the point of my post. Being aware you can motivate those that are necessary and weigh the costs of accepting some of the risks.
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #189 on: August 28, 2024, 07:33:42 AM »
The garage is not attached to the house so the smell is not a problem.
For protective gear I will use my Sundström halfmask and an overall.
I will not be able to create an intake of the push-kind, hence the use of the shop vac to create an exhaust of the pull-kind.
The garage is heated so ambient temperatures are a matter of choice.

So, the danger as I see it is when the solvents passes the shopvac and possibly could ignite by some random spark in the vacs motor.

On the other hand... I will just spray a tank and seat, not a whole car...

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #190 on: September 08, 2024, 08:32:34 AM »
The paint booth is slowly coming together... soon there are no excuses left and the painting has to get started  :)


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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #191 on: September 08, 2024, 12:31:53 PM »
Do you plan upright supports to place the parts horizontal ?
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #192 on: September 08, 2024, 02:12:13 PM »
Looks very neat!

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #193 on: September 22, 2024, 11:37:05 PM »
The white paint has now been sprayed, and as most of this color will be covered by the black and yellow it was a good starting point.
First pic shows the hose to the shopvac outside, and the second shows the inwards bulging of the paintbooth sides when the vacuum is running.
Worked out just fine, the paint is still hardening and I will let it harden for 24 hours until I start laying down the masking for next color... so stay tuned.


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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #194 on: September 23, 2024, 02:18:27 AM »
Glad it is working and the white went down nice, you did the hard work of proper prep...paint magnifies every little scratch if you don't have proper prep, as I'm sure you know very well. Your attention to detail is excellent, cannot wait to see the other colors applied...
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #195 on: September 24, 2024, 07:52:36 PM »
Nice work! Staying tuned in!

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« Reply #196 on: September 24, 2024, 08:25:55 PM »
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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #197 on: September 25, 2024, 11:42:05 AM »
The white paint is now well cured, so I assembled the parts on the bike and laid down the first lines of masking tape.
Sure is fiddly to get the tape to go on straight, but the laser worked well as a guide.


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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #198 on: September 25, 2024, 01:54:59 PM »
Exciting times! Bike already looks fantastic!

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Re: 1981 XV1000 TR1-project
« Reply #199 on: September 25, 2024, 05:13:09 PM »
Seen painters use the plastic masking tape that is almost like striping tape to start the masking. It has a bit of stretch and for straight lines pulling a length makes it easier to do a straight line. Then they mask with a wider tape and paper or plastic. They (3M) even make a Kraft paper masking with a stripe of tape along one edge. Good paint & body work suppliers stock it.
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