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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2022, 10:32:24 AM »
Sent the shocks off to Konimon for rebuild. They came back and feel great!
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He rebuilds vintage shocks for people and sells rebuilt shocks on ebay. Quick turnaround, did a good job. I would definitely use him again.


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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2022, 09:37:06 AM »
Lots of progress all over the bike. I have been slowly detailing the bike as I go. I'm not restoring it, just deep cleaning everything as I go through it to see what I have.

I removed and cleaned/polished the exhaust system. I'm really lucky the original exhaust is in such good shape. One small-ish dent in a pipe under the motor and a single rust bubble. Definitely a keeper. 

The airbox cleaned up really nice and the hot air gun really brought the plastic color back to a nice clean black.

I deleted the chain oiling system. I was going to replace the sprockets but after removing and cleaning them up they they appear to be brand new, likely less than a few hundred miles on them and in perfect shape so I just installed a new O-Ring chain and called it done. I mounted new Metzler tires and got a chance to finally clean the rims. The rust proved to be surface only and now the rims look really good.

I have painted some things like the center stand and kick stand as they were just to grungy. I also painted the swingarm. That was a tough decision but there was just enough rust on some areas that I couldn't let it go. I kept the chain guard original. I use VHT Roll Cage and Frame Satin Black and it is a very good match.

Next up I will disassemble and clean it up the headlight/gauges/triple clamp area. I think I'll have to paint the triple clamp since there is a huge area where there is no paint on it. It looks like the master cylinder leaked at some point and that paint was the casualty. It really stands out.

At some point I am going to have to remove and polish the engine covers but they are not a bad as they look in the photos. The pics make them look splotchy but in person they just look kind of dull, certainly acceptable. Same with the lower fork housings.

The original gas tank and side panels are off getting painted the factory gold metal flake so it will probably will be a couple more months before it goes back together. The more I work on it, the more I realize what a real gem it was before it was put into storage. It originally appeared that time took it's toll, but now I can see that it isn't anywhere near as much as I first thought. There is proving to be an excellent bike underneath all that dirt and grime. 
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2022, 10:10:44 AM »
Keep it up. It's looking good.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2022, 08:34:26 AM »
Looking good.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2022, 10:40:26 AM »
I like your plan on this!
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2022, 07:18:03 PM »
Got the carbs back on and the bike running. It has a pronounced stumble off idle and really doesn't run crisp at all. I can tune around it by really opening up the idle bypass (and increasing the idle) but then I remembered that when I rebuilt the carbs, I didn't change anything, but the guy who owned the bike for it's entire lifetime was a mechanic and he lived at around 3500 feet so I have to assume he tuned the carbs for that altitude. I'm at sea level which isn't a huge difference but it wont be the same. I cant say what the jets are or the needle position. They are what they were. The engine/carbs/airbox are 100% OEM K2 stock items. Any ideas about what the proper main jet, idle air bypass and needle height should be for sea level operation?

I will open it back up tonight and see what I have.

 

This can be caused by 2 areas:
1. Carbs, not quite up-to-snuff.
2. Spark advancer, either stuck (points cam won't turn, grease got gooey and stuck) or the advancer's shaft (on the end of the crankshaft) is bent more than 0.006", and wobbles. The spark (especially the 2-3 side) will jump erratically if this is the case.

A side note: do NOT turn the engine CCW direction (backward) with the big nut by the points. This WILL bend the spark advancer's shaft, and then you must straighten it to less than 0.006" runout (0.002" was OEM) to make the spark timing meet the marks correctly again.

The jetting: 3500 feet is not significant. Above 6000 feet they might need a slight tweak, but not much. The mainjets should be #110 if the bike was made prior to 3/72 (with #657A carbs), or #105 after that (#657B carbs), and with today's gas #105 will be fine in either carb type. The needles in the slides should be clipped in the 4th notch down from the top (blunt end) unless you have the HM300 pipes for some reason, then use the middle (#3) notch. The idle air screws should be set between 3/4 and 1.0 turn out from closed (gently, please...) position. The float height on the #657A carbs (brass floats, originally) will be 25mm on one side and 26mm on the other (you will find they are staggered, which is correct, not both at one height). In the #657B carbs they (mostly) have plastic floats and the float level is 26mm, although if you have replaced the float valves with the modern ones that have stiffer springs, you might want to go to 25mm to make sure the float bowl level stays deep enough.

Also: start your testing with regular-grade gas today. It burns at about the same speed as 1970s premium, and using higher grade fuels now will tend to quickly foul the plugs. Also, use either #D7EA or X22ES-U plugs for testing, and only use today's D8EA plugs for touring. The original plugs were D8ES-L type, not made today, which is halfway between D7E and D8E heatranges. Today's D8EA plugs are simply too cold for these engines unless you are touring all day with them.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2022, 08:53:54 AM »
Made some more headway on the detailing. I removed the handlebars, triple clamp, headlight and blinkers and gave everything a nice clean/polish. I repainted the triple clamp and indicator lamp housing since it was scratched and there was a lot of paint loss on the clamp where brake fluid removed it. I did a lot of polishing of chrome and 99% of the little rust spots came off. I replaced the clamp bolts with new Honda parts.

I need to find out the schedule for the tank and sidepod painting to be completed. If there is time I will probably remove the gauges and send them off to be rebuilt. They are now the worst part of that area. If there isn't enough time I'll hold off till after the summer.

It's soooo hard to restrain myself and just clean/polish rather than repaint/restore and rechrome everything. The bike is only original once and I'm trying like hell to keep it that way, only repainting when there is a really poor finish.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2022, 06:01:53 PM »
It's soooo hard to restrain myself and just clean/polish rather than repaint/restore and rechrome everything. The bike is only original once and I'm trying like hell to keep it that way, only repainting when there is a really poor finish.

Nice tactic..... That’s what I’m trying to do with my S/C Project. Not easy, but I like to way it looks! Congrats, your bike looks great!
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« Reply #58 on: June 02, 2022, 06:26:54 PM »
Nice tactic..... That’s what I’m trying to do with my S/C Project. Not easy, but I like to way it looks! Congrats, your bike looks great!

Looks great!

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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2022, 04:02:10 AM »
Great progress. Personally I think your gauges look great and have that OEM un-restored look that I personally prefer but hey its your bike.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2022, 05:50:08 AM »
I can't believe how well it turned out!!

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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2022, 07:51:04 AM »
Nice project
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2022, 08:37:36 AM »
Great progress. Personally I think your gauges look great and have that OEM un-restored look that I personally prefer but hey its your bike.

I understand and held that same opinion until I took the bike outside and saw them in the sun. The cracking really pops in direct sunlight and it is bad enough to look "broken".   

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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2022, 08:44:42 AM »
Nice project
More photos!!

The project has had a lot of little victories but since I am doing more cleaning rather than restoring the pics don't really show any dramatic changes. It's all close up detail stuff. I just removed and repainted the battery box and tool tray since they had some rust spots. I also removed and cleaned/polished the rear fender, taillight and inner liner. Grungy on the underside and small rust pits but now it looks extremely presentable. In fact, I was amazed at how nice the rear fender and taillight are. You have to look very close to see that they are original and not re-pops since the chrome is soo good. Same with the front fender.

I also removed all the front wiring so I could recover the main harness at the steering head. The flexible cover was hard and cracked due to the constant flexing so replacement cover was fitted and it's all back together.

Big improvement are on the horizon. I just saw some in-progress pics from the paint shop of the tank and the side panels and they are looking really good. Cant wait till I have those and the bike can go back together.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2022, 10:11:03 AM »
Here are a couple examples of the work I am currently doing.

The battery box and tool tray was too grungy to simply clean so they were both removed and repainted. All the fasteners were cleaned and reinstalled. The wiring under the left sidepod was pretty messy so I removed it all and gave it a good dustoff and cleaned all the contacts. Nothing to fancy since I am not trying to restore, just make its 50 years of experience present a little better.

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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2022, 02:15:25 PM »
Ohhh, you are doing a fine job.  To me, this is some of the most satisfying work to be done on these bikes...just take it apart, detail every tiny part, nook, and crany, don't buy a thing or pay some autobody painter, just put it back together and , ohhhh!, the originality...
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2022, 06:02:50 PM »
Ohhh, you are doing a fine job.  To me, this is some of the most satisfying work to be done on these bikes...just take it apart, detail every tiny part, nook, and crany, don't buy a thing or pay some autobody painter, just put it back together and , ohhhh!, the originality...

+1 to that! I’ve been running my K1 this way for years. It always looks just right and I love to ride it. Fifteen years ago, I stumbled on two sets of new HM300 pipes and splurged (cost me a 1/4 of what they sell for today). The bike sounds fantastic and looks just right. Stick with your tactics and you will have a useful bike to enjoy for a long time! I’ve built too many trailer queens, my s/c will be much the same as the K1.  Cheers, John D.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2022, 06:11:27 PM »
P.S. On my K1 I replaced the standard, single fuse (weak clip connections) box with a really good, waterproof marine in line fuse. It’s 10 X better than the original, totally unobtrusive, and I’ve never opened it since. Spare fuses are in the tool kit, but never needed them. Useful upgrade, probably the only change I’ve made to the entire bike....
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2022, 04:56:28 PM »
+1 on the inline fuse. Nice upgrade for the electrical system. I did this too on my first build, haven't touched it since 2009.  :)
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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2022, 03:35:37 PM »
Ohhh, you are doing a fine job.  To me, this is some of the most satisfying work to be done on these bikes...just take it apart, detail every tiny part, nook, and crany, don't buy a thing or pay some autobody painter, just put it back together and , ohhhh!, the originality...

Unfortunately the tank and side panel paint was just so messed up I had to enlist a pro to redo it. The rattle can gold paintjob with preschool level flame job just ruined the bikes look. I'm all for a shade-tree hot rod but this was definitely not like that. It was just too bad to allow it to stay.

The good news is the tank and side panels are almost done and look incredible. The crack in the side panel was repaired and I have all new OEM Honda trim pieces to replace the units ruined when the rattle can paintjob was done before. They literally broke every mounting tab on the side trim pieces and used glue to reapply them.  :P

I was pretty bummed that they were all torn up and not really usable but at least new OEM Honda badges were still available.

As a side note, I am tagging and bagging 100% of the "bad" OEM parts I am replacing and am hanging on to them. I may not be using them but that does not mean they are trash. I have no plans to sell the bike but if I ever do every one of the original parts will go with it.   

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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2022, 10:12:38 AM »
Finally got the gauges done and mounted. The difference from when I got it and now is striking. The red on the faces is back and the bad scratches on the top of the gauge cups from the fairing are long gone.

The picture of the old face shows how bad it actually was. One of the worst things was the bottom of the face was curling up (from heat?). It was really visible from the riding position. The weird gloss center/matte outer surface finish was caused by ??? and the red highlights were just gone.

This pic shows it after I heated it up and flattened it out somewhat but the shrinkage couldn't be removed. That was the point where I decided a reface was required. and ordered the kit from 750faces.com
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« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2022, 10:26:39 AM »
Got the word that my gas tank and side panels are done, fully cured and now ready to ship. I was really excited to hear the original cracked side panel was repairable so all 3 will be the originals. The dents were worked out of the tank, they were not just filled with bondo. The stripes were painted on and cleared over. I cant wait to get them back, the pics I have seen are fantastic.
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Re: 1972 CB750K2, 33 years off the road
« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2022, 01:01:45 PM »
Who did the painting? Looks great as does the whole project! Having a painter who is talented enough to paint the stripes is a big plus. Have you done anything with the points / condensers and a valve adjustment? You'll want to have those item spot on before you do a sync with the bike running. And don't forget to place a fan or 2 on the motor before you do that sync...you probably already know that, but feel safer to mention it.  :-)
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« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2022, 01:50:06 PM »
Who did the painting? Looks great as does the whole project! Having a painter who is talented enough to paint the stripes is a big plus. Have you done anything with the points / condensers and a valve adjustment? You'll want to have those item spot on before you do a sync with the bike running. And don't forget to place a fan or 2 on the motor before you do that sync...you probably already know that, but feel safer to mention it.  :-)

Thanks. The awesome paint was handled by John Miles and the timing was perfect. He was just about to paint another CB750 and was very familiar with all the details needed on these tanks and side panels. I sent the parts out just in time to get painted alongside his other project. Otherwise it would have been a long wait.

I already did the points/condensers/valves and plugs. It was really weird running the bike with a fan but I just had to get reacquainted to working on air cooled motors. I was easy when I was younger but now I freak out even idling the thing when it's not moving.  ;D


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« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2022, 02:53:31 PM »
Very nice project.
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